Paul, cool it on the dams. You said you’re smarter than that. It’s a really poor analogy. They are not going to put dams where water will never be a threat. Personally, I feel any Mexican worth his salt can scale most walls but at least it will slow them down long enough to get sent back.
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nothing to do with dams. They are walls. 1 is walls to keep water away from property and 1 is to put walls up to keep people from coming across the border. And they put them only in spots it made sense. Not along the full river.

“not along the full river.”

trump isn’t proposing a wall from coast to
coast either, just in stretches. so your analogy seems to support Trumps plan. Unless you are saying thatmin the specific areas where he wants to build the walls, aren’t conducive to barriers. not sure how you’d know that when border patrol agents aren’t saying that, but i’m willing to listen.

but trump agrees with you, barriers don’t work across the whole
space. only in certain sections.
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He said he is proposing 1,000 miles and he has said that numerous times. Although he keeps changing his story on the length, height and who and how it will get paid . And he down plays any other solution than a "wall".

So what changed between 2013 and now where 6 years ago the Repub. weren't screaming we needed more walls? Why didn't the Dems. hate the country and want border security then like Trump is constantly screaming now?

He has said many times that the wall would not be coast to coast but only where needed AND YOU KNOW THAT, but, worse than downplaying that, you totally ignore it.

He has said that the wall is not the total solution AND YOU KNOW THAT, but you claim that he "downplays" other solutions. But the "other" solutions are agreed on by everyone including the Dems so he doesn't have to "up-play" them, AND YOU KNOW THAT.

Yet you carry on with your ridiculous narrative.

"He said he is proposing 1,000 miles and he has said that numerous times. Although he keeps changing his story on the length, height and who and how it will get paid "

True, and this is an annoying trait of his. But he isn't proposing a wall from coast to coast. Only where the agents are telling him a wall will help. So stop saying that there might be areas where a wall doesn't make sense, no one is saying otherwise.

"And he down plays any other solution than a "wall". "

He harps on the wall, because that's the source of disagreement. he always is sure to talk about more agents and better technology.

"So what changed between 2013 and now where 6 years ago the Repub. weren't screaming we needed more walls?"

Here is the difference between you and I. I asked 3-4 times what changed since democrats favored the wall, and you chose not to answer. You asked me once what changed on the GOP side, and I will answer.

In 2006, Bush was President, and he wasn't as serious about the issue as Trump. In 2013, Obama was President, and he also wasn't as militant on the issue as Trump is. Today, the Republicans see that this issue was a huge reason why Trump got elected, and they don't want to be seen as soft. So sure, some of it is purely political posturing.

Now, how many times do I have to ask why the dems flip-flopped on this issue, before you'll answer?

I thought I said he is proposing 1,000 miles? How did you miss that? Unless you choose to ignore it and instead say something ridiculous AND YOU KNOW THAT.:laughs:

the senate passed the immigration reform act of 2013 (or whatever the name was) which included fencing, techn., guards and included immigration reform. The house never took it up. Trump just wants $ for a wall. He won't compromise where he takes some $ for more security and gives up something on immigration reform. Something like that will likely be agreed to and he might sign it bc he'll realize he is in a no win situation but he certainly won't propose it and he will be miserable. So the Dems will agree to more $ for security and some fences and some walls and more guards in exchange for some immigration reform. They have been saying that all along.

He has said several things. Some are ridiculous. It would be ridiculous to say how many miles the wall (or walls since there would be gaps) the wall would be. 1000 miles sounds like a rounded off number. The border between the US and Mexico is around 2000 miles. So even taking his speculative 1000 miles, it would not be coast to coast.

I know you think Trump is stupid. So, maybe you think he ls not aware that a 1000 mile wall would be way to short to be coast to coast? Or, maybe, you're not aware that a 1000 mile wall would be way short of being coast to coast?

Or, maybe you just want to keep up your ridiculous narrative.