15 years ago, bernie was a fringe laughingstock. now he’s absolutey mainstream in that party, and his views haven’t changed. the party is sprinting a million miles
to the left. they attacked Biden for saying Pence is “ a decent guy”. Democrats are no longer allowed to say that about anyone who disagrees with them.
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I don't know why this made me laugh so hard.....

Actress and activist Cynthia Nixon tweeted, @JoeBiden you’ve just called America’s most anti-LGBT elected leader “a decent guy.”

Please consider how this falls on the ears of our community. Did she lie

Some have said Biden is putting politeness over policy.
In effect, he is saying that Pence’s record doesn’t matter.

PS in many circles Pence is an Ahole and his history reinforces that view are you suggesting Pence isn't as far right and Sanders is left

or do honestly think the Republican party hasn't moved

You didn't respond to the video. You posted something about Muslims. The video was not about Muslims. The video presented facts. If you believe that facts and truth are to be feared, then quit posting what you think are facts and truth unless you're trying to scare us.

This thread is about the association of Communists with Democrats. I don't know if you're doing a whataboutism, or just avoiding having to comment on that association while you continue your diatribes against Trump, Republicans and to whom they are accused of being associated.

You also seem to be displaying a bigoted, closed minded view of what thought, or speech is correct and allowed in order to be a Democrat.

I don't know of any nefarious or destructive means that Trump is employing as POTUS. I am not in like with him. And I'm certainly not in like with the Democrat Party. Nor am I in much like with the Republican party. At least there is no evidence that the Republicans are in bed with the Commies.

I mostly, not entirely, like Rand Paul. I sort of like Ted Cruz. I have a like for the freedom caucus in the Repub Party. Not a whole lot more like for the the Repubs. I like no-one or anything about the Democrat Party. There used to be some Dems in the past that I liked. Scoop Jackson. Sam Nunn. A few others who's names escape me offhand. But those types are long gone. The rising stars of the Democrat party are scary.

So I don't vote by like. They all try to be likeable. Phonies that lead us into a rabbit hole of debt and stupidity and constitutional destruction.

You post more suggestive conspiracy laden comments and video than anyone here peddling your views as if they are based on facts.... and call others closed minded and bigoted... for calling BS ... and the list of those you support are as fringe as it gets
Seems you’re standard of measuring infiltration of communist in the Democratic Party is in par with How Trump concludes his immigrant invasion and declared National emergency
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the gop hasn’t moved much. can you provide specific examples of changed policy beliefs within the last 15 years? the dnc thinks
men can use whatever bathroom they choose, that late term abortion is a cause for celebration, that you cannot ever say anything positive about trump
no matter what he does, and that we should tear down every building in the nation and rebuild
with green energy.

do you think it’s impossible to oppose gay marriage, and still
be a decent guy?

i actually think the gop should
flip on gay marriage. but i know a huge number of very decent people
who oppose gay marriage, despite what a bigoted, activist actress happens to believe. Mother theresa wasn’t a decent person?
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What standard of measurement are you referring to? The video listed names of Communists who are actively supporting the Democrat Party. And in what way they are doing it. Can you show how none of that is true?

That says it all :bs:

and in your world that's a take over and infiltration of the democratic party ... as suggested in your video

So, rather than prove the content of the video to be wrong, you attempt to change my "world" by sticking words in it that were not expressed. "Take over" was your attempt to transform my "world."

Please try to stick to the subject rather than trying to change it. That would be an actual conversation, from which an actual transfer of knowledge and the true change of a "world" can occur.

The video did not "suggest" a whole lot other than the irony of Democrats trying to pin collusion with Russia on Trump when Dems are in bed with Communists. That was the minimal "suggestion" part. The bulk of the video was the naming of several Communists who are and were helping to get Dems elected.

If that's OK with you, of no particular consequence, then, to be fair, I would suppose that it's OK with you that so called right wing extremists are associated with Republicans. If you won't complain about one, why would you complain about the other?

infiltration a method of attack in which small bodies of soldiers or individual soldiers penetrate the enemy's line at weak or unguarded points in order to assemble behind the enemy position and attack it from the rear, harass enemy rear-area installations, etc.

so are they attacking the democrats or helping them?? because your clip uses the word infiltration I am confused

on what specific policies, had the GOP changed course? What major changes have they undergone?

sanctity of life
individual responsibility
small federal government
individual liberty
strong national defense
charity for those in need
power of the free market to lift people out of poverty
fiscal responsibility ( the debt is making that a weaker and weaker claim)

there are jerks in the gop, liars, and hypocrites. but that’s still the policy platform.

look at bill clinton. they’d hate his policies today. kicking deadbeats off welfare, and telling them
to go back to work? slashing taxes on capital gains? balancing the budget? who
among democrats is calling for a return to these things?
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Yes you're confused. You quite often are. In this case, maybe it's more a matter of not fully acclimating to civilian life. You have been out of the military for some time, I assume. You might want to check out some civilian type definitions:

infiltrate (Cambridge dictionary):
verb [ I + adv/prep, T ] uk ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/ us ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/
​
"to secretly become part of a group in order to get information or to influence the way that group thinks or behaves."

​or

"to move slowly into a substance, place, system, or organization."

Actually, as for attacking the Democrats or helping them goes, it is a bit of each. CPUSA doesn't want to "take over" the Democrat Party. It wants to use it. And it wants to influence it. So it wants to "help" it win elections in order to have a viable political outlet to spread its agenda. It's like a more intelligent parasite which temporarily boosts its host in order to nourish itself on the stable healthy body until it is matured enough to thrive on its own. It can then discard its host and totally devour it and anything else that stands in its way. Eventually, the hope is the destruction of both the Democrats and Repbulicans, as well as any individualist, classically liberal, freedom loving, parties, notions or movements.

The CPUSA does not love the Democrats, whom it considers too corrupted by corporate money, nor wishes to become Democrats. It simply finds enough similarities, fellow travelers, and leftist trending politics in it and in the intellectual academic and media useful idiots that support it, to suit its purpose. The Republicans and libertarians have nothing to offer it, only total opposition.

The leftist trend of the Democrat Party has been spurred by the Marxist fellow traveler academics (most academicians teaching in the liberal arts) and by the journalists who have been educated by those professors. This has been going on for decades and is now bearing more and more socialist fruit. The total transformation of the Democrat Party into a purely socialist one is the long term aim of the of the Commies. Then, a fully Communist (devoid of errors of Stalinism or Maoism) egalitarian state, which is also devoid of capitalism, will be possible.

More and more Americans, especially the younger generations coming out of Marxist academe, are finding that idea attractive. The infiltration seems to be working.

Marxist academe you have such an active imagination https://www.econlib.org/archives/201...valence_1.html


So secret your presenter knows everyones Names. as I have said its just another spoon feed story for like minded people using Classic Conservatives Buzz words ... Communist she even used comrade a few times ..

Can you please provide a few examples of significant American ideals that Trump is destroying?

He must be doing it very, very slowly, because I don't see it. He has overstepped a few times and the courts have responded as they should, and kept him in check. Same thing happened with Obama. That's exactly how it's supposed to work.

The Constitution has not been changed, the courts are still there keeping him in check, the press is still offering coverage of Trump that's 98% negative everywhere but Fox, Jim Acosta still gets called on at press conferences despite arguing with Trump about everything instead of reporting like he' supposed to, and there are multiple investigations into "collusion".

What is Trump dismantling? Other than high black unemployment, that is? Has he declared himself a dictator for life and I missed that announcement?

You forgot the Fire Department, we are Commies too!:hihi:

This is like McCarthy reincarnated, when do the hearings start?

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

No one is saying to bring back the McCarthy hearings. But let's show them how terrible those ideas might be.

I grew up in West Haven, just a few houses up from the fire house on Benham Hill Rd. I used to spend a lot of time in that fire station, my friend's dad was a fireman there.

Hearings started before McCarthy. The House Un-American activities committee was already having hearings on Communist infiltration of the administration before McCarthy said anything. McCarthy wasn't necessarily trying to start a hearing in the Senate. He didn't want to expose the names of Communists on his list publicly because some of them may have been erroneously included. He was bringing attention to the matter to the Senate in order that the those correctly identified would be removed. The Democrat Senators forced a hearing in order to discredit McCarthy. They assumed they could show that McCarthy was unjustly accusing those on his list. They managed to smear him with sneaky tactics including an outright fabrication, and made the whole thing go away. Eventually, McCarthy was basically proven to be right. But the situation was even worse than McCarthy knew.

The Venona Project, a U.S. Army counter intelligence program, uncovered many more names. The release of some KGB files corroborated most of the Venona material. And the FBI had been discovering the Commie infiltration all along. It had even alerted the administration. But Russia was an ally during the war, so nothing was done about it. That was a big mistake.

Some of the most influential soviet agents in the administration including the closest advisors to FDR worked to put in effect policies that favored Communist expansion. Advice FDR received by them influenced his decisions to back Stalin's desires in the Yalta conference which resulted in the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and East Germany. Soviets in the administration convinced it to abandon Chiang Kai-Shek in his war against Mao who he was defeating with the aid of American military supplies. In the meantime, the Soviets were arming Mao's forces. So the tide turned. Consequently, China and much of East and South Asia (eventually resulting in a Communist North Korea), as well as Eastern Europe, all fell into the hands of the Soviets.

As well, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was in a way orchestrated by Soviet agents in the FDR administration. Japan was a severe threat to Russia, as had been demonstrated by its defeat in the earlier Russo Japanese war. Having to fight a war on two fronts, Hitler in the West and Japan in the East, would have been difficult, a major stretch on Russian resources. Japan tried to make a pact with the U.S. in order to stave off what was a near certain entry of America into the war against Hitler. Japan and Germany were allies, which would pit the U.S. against Japan, stretching Japanese resources beyond its ability to attack Russia while fighting the Americans. Harry Dexter White, a top Treasury Dept, official and also a Soviet agent, convinced FDR that Japan could not be trusted, and helped create the ten point ultimatum adopted by the administration that basically was a casus belli. Drawing the U.S into war with Japan freed the Soviets of having to fight that war.

We don't need congressional hearings. Just an honest and open discussion about the political direction of our country.

I was the Chief of West Shore, left there 5 years ago, spent many a night on that Rescue at Benham Hill. Dave Collins

You forgot no cheeseburgers on the grill on the Fourth of July :rotf2:

Small world, thanks for your service.

I lived right at the top of Benham Hill. Every time I wandered into that fire house, one of the guys would buy me a bottle of coke from the old fashioned machine, and ask me where the snappers were biting.

From the young democrats? More like borscht on October 25, the anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Borscht, a few packs of smokes, and a few copies of Animal Farm and Chairman Mao's Little Red Book.

Some names I know from up there, DeGrand, Neylan, Fontana, Frosolone, Russo, Limosani, Collucci, Capone, Mills, not enough Italians, lol.

"Secret" applies to the rank and file Democrat voter and the general population. The Communist Party does not hide its connection to the Democrat Party, and the Democrat hierarchy is not unaware, but it is purposely not broadcast aloud to the public for obvious reasons. Were you aware of the connection? It is an "open secret."--"An open secret is a concept or idea that is 'officially' secret or restricted in knowledge, but in practice may be widely known; or it refers to something that is widely known to be true but which none of the people most intimately concerned are willing to categorically acknowledge in public."--Wikipedia.

True investigative journalists would not find this hard to "discover." Fake news journalists would choose to disregard or not report it.

Coming to an arena near you.

At least they had their token Irishman :hihi:
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This is correct. Today's Republicans are closer to yesterday's moderate Dems (save horrible spending) than today's Dems are. I could (and did) support yesterday's Dems but there are no more.



No, if you are/were a former Chief then you know that FD politics fit NO conventional model ; )

Agreed, I voted for Clinton and think he was a good POTUS.

Right now, Nancy Pelosi is mainstream within that party, she is the anchor trying to keep the radicals from going too far left. Let that sink in.

I don't understand this statement at all. Between the Tea Party and Trump the GOP isn't looking very moderate or very Republican.

what policies do today’s GOP advocate for, which they haven’t traditionally advocated for? be specific? i can make a pretty specific list about what dems are advocating for today, thatbthey sure weren’t advocating for when Bill Clinton was president, many many things.

the tea party was a very powerful political force in the few years after its genesis, but it advocated for traditionally conservative ideals of fiscal responsibility.

trumps policies are pretty moderate. he’s not Pat Buchanan, not by a long shot. Planned Parenthood is still being funded fully. he advocated for prison reform.
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Greed comes in many forms.
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This president is nothing more than a correction....checks and balances at work. A necessity to get the country back pointed in the right direction.
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The R's somewhat sycophantic public support reminds me why I hate Politicians in general and makes me giggle when I whaddabout the rumpswabbery of Dem Pols with WJC and Obama. The Tea Party was overall a good movement where people wanted respect for the rule of law, cut spending, and not be 21T in debt. Does not sound to bed now, does it. Too bad the press and dems eviscerated it. But they support the Commies so all is good, no? And on balance they look far more moderate than the race to interseationalism that is the Dems.



Because you think I'm greedy??

Unsure how many more pendulum swings we can tolerate.

2015 article by John Bachtell, Chairman of the National Committee of the Communist Party USA on need to work through the Democrat Party to achieve his Party's goals (which are quite similar, if not identical, to Progressive's goals). As an aside, he considers a lot of things to be extremist that Spence does. Maybe Spence considers CPUSA to be "centrist" or "moderate"?:

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article...party-i-agree/

it's funny when whackos call others extremists......