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detbuch 03-28-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164655)
So is funding for the Special Olympics and some of the other thing that were mentioned earlier unconstitutional? Things like the education department and scholarships for the children of vets who died in action.
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Article one Section eight of the Constitution lists all the categories on which the Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes (ergo to fund). Funding for the Special Olympics would not fall under any of those categories. Therefor, Congress doing so would be exercising a spending authority which it constitutionally does not have. That is, it would be unconstitutional.

Perhaps you could read Article one Section eight and point out how funding the Special Olympics falls within any category of spending that the Constitution gives the Congress power.

PaulS 03-28-2019 10:38 AM

So then any Repub. budget that provides funds for the Special Olympics is unconstitutional. And yet you have been crying for years about how the Dems. hate the constitution and don't understand it. Seems like your hate is only 1 sided and hypocritical.

scottw 03-28-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164685)
So then any Repub. budget that provides funds for the Special Olympics is unconstitutional. And yet you have been crying for years about how the Dems. hate the constitution and don't understand it. Seems like your hate is only 1 sided and hypocritical.

are you ok? I'm worried about your mental health

PaulS 03-28-2019 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1164686)
are you ok? I'm worried about your mental health

I'm fine. Thanks. busy at work during this time of year.

detbuch 03-28-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164685)
So then any Repub. budget that provides funds for the Special Olympics is unconstitutional. And yet you have been crying for years about how the Dems. hate the constitution and don't understand it. Seems like your hate is only 1 sided and hypocritical.

I didn't say the Dems hate the Constitution. I said Progressives do. There are Progressives in both parties. Progressives have done a very good and thorough job of spreading their unconstitutional rule by fiat throughout our entire system of government.

Sea Dangles 03-28-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164601)
Hard choices no doubt. What you cut/increase is in many ways a reflection of your values.
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Could be a change of heart at the White House regarding the special olympics. Would you consider such a decision a reflection of values? Does the word empathy belong in this discussion? If it is true,Trump will still be lambasted somehow.
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wdmso 03-29-2019 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164714)
Could be a change of heart at the White House regarding the special olympics. Would you consider such a decision a reflection of values? Does the word empathy belong in this discussion? If it is true,Trump will still be lambasted somehow.
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No he changed his mind because it made him look bad... nothing to follow

scottw 03-29-2019 06:23 AM

I'll ask again....should the federal government give millions of dollars to every private charity organization out there and shouldn't they all get the same funding in the interest of fairness? Should "well-connected" wealthy private organizations and charities get more federal funding than those less well-connected and of lesser means????

from USA TODAY

Plus, Special Olympics has donors and lobbyists who are well-connected to members of Congress.

Special Olympics posted almost $149 million in revenue in 2017, with $15 million – or about 10 percent – coming from federal grants, according to its financials

Why is Special Olympics getting so much attention now, when this cut was proposed in previous years?

The same cut to Special Olympics was proposed in the 2009 department budget, long before Trump and DeVos.

Sea Dangles 03-29-2019 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1164715)
No he changed his mind because it made him look bad... nothing to follow

I was wondering who would win the prize.... haha . Who would have guessed that you would be the first snowflake to stand forward and (as usual) give no credit. So he is back in a no win situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t. Thanks for displaying your lack of integrity on a regular basis. That could not have worked out better.
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scottw 03-29-2019 07:08 AM

I just learned...thanks to the tv, that single members of the military are being forced to pay for their own fertility treatment if they want to have kids....when will these horrible injustices end????

WHY ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT PAYING FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!

PaulS 03-29-2019 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164722)
I was wondering who would win the prize.... haha . Who would have guessed that you would be the first snowflake to stand forward and (as usual) give no credit. So he is back in a no win situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t. Thanks for displaying your lack of integrity on a regular basis. That could not have worked out better.
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He tells you what happened then you need to come back and insult him.

It could not have worked out better as you demonstrated again that you have nothing to add but childish insults.

Snowflake - what a clown you are.

Sea Dangles 03-29-2019 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164726)
He tells you what happened then you need to come back and insult him.

It could not have worked out better as you demonstrated again that you have nothing to add but childish insults.

Snowflake - what a clown you are.

Does this mean you agree with the other snowflake? That this was just a pr move to calm the masses. I asked you the question but he decided to answer for you. Like I said,damned if you do and damned if you don’t. This is a perfect example of the left bashing Trump regardless of if he does what they consider to be the right thing. The policy doesn’t matter,it’s whose policy that the snowflakes are united against.
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PaulS 03-29-2019 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164728)
Does this mean you agree with the other snowflake? That this was just a pr move to calm the masses. I asked you the question but he decided to answer for you. Like I said,damned if you do and damned if you don’t. This is a perfect example of the left bashing Trump regardless of if he does what they consider to be the right thing. The policy doesn’t matter,it’s whose policy that the snowflakes are united against.
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snowflakes - come up with something original (if possible).

The only reason it was reversed was that pols. on both sides hated it. Devoss didn't know what to say when questioned by reporters about it and stood there not saying anything like a 5 year old.

This is a perfect example of the Trumpsters defending his policies no matter what he says or does.

Sea Dangles 03-29-2019 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164730)
snowflakes - come up with something original (if possible).

The only reason it was reversed was that pols. on both sides hated it. Devoss didn't know what to say when questioned by reporters about it and stood there not saying anything like a 5 year old.

This is a perfect example of the Trumpsters defending his policies no matter what he says or does.

I am honest enough to admit you have a point there Paul. Are you willing to admit the snowflakes are against his policies no matter what he says or does? This is a shining example that he can’t do the right thing in their eyes regardless of whether they agree or not. As far as Devos is concerned,you even admitted the cuts are hard and were hard pressed to come up with an alternative to slash budget. Truth is that the special olympics are well funded and would continue to flourish without public aid but the visuals were certainly bad. Again,Trump did the right thing.He appeased his base as well as the snowflakes but still gets criticized.
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Pete F. 03-29-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164743)
Truth is that the special olympics are well funded and would continue to flourish without public aid but the visuals were certainly bad. Again,Trump did the right thing.He appeased his base as well as the snowflakes but still gets criticized.
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He did the politically correct thing, doesn't make it the right one.
If the truth is that the Special Olympics is actually well funded and doesn't need the help to survive, for what reason other than political expediency does he choose to fund it.
If you feel that the federal government's role is this type of funding, it's likely that there are many other fledgling organizations with noble purpose that could be helped to grow with the application of federal aid, and attain critical mass and also become self funding.
Or do we just give federal funding to everything that sounds like a good idea forever?

wdmso 03-29-2019 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164722)
I was wondering who would win the prize.... haha . Who would have guessed that you would be the first snowflake to stand forward and (as usual) give no credit. So he is back in a no win situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t. Thanks for displaying your lack of integrity on a regular basis. That could not have worked out better.
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Only the faithful would think he deserves credit and a hero reversing what should have never been proposed to start with

Integrity as if you know what it means lol
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detbuch 03-29-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1164745)
Only the faithful would think he deserves credit and a hero reversing what should have never been proposed to start with

Integrity as if you know what it means lol
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He is not a hero to me for doing this. He is either a coward in this matter, a typical politician with his finger to the wind, or too prone to sentiment and ignorant of his constitutional role in the matter. I think it is the latter. But not less wrong or excusable just because of being done by kind hearted sentiment.

The cut should damned well have been proposed, as well as cuts to all the other funding of unconstitutional obligations that the federal government has committed itself to.

Sea Dangles 03-29-2019 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1164745)
Only the faithful would think he deserves credit and a hero reversing what should have never been proposed to start with

Integrity as if you know what it means lol
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You do understand that it was not he who proposed it in the first place I hope. I don’t know who thinks this makes him a hero but if that is your impression then you are a fool. If you don’t give him credit for reversing the policy then exactly who gets the credit? Try to think rather than spouting the snowflake anthem.
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Sea Dangles 03-29-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164744)
He did the politically correct thing, doesn't make it the right one.
If the truth is that the Special Olympics is actually well funded and doesn't need the help to survive, for what reason other than political expediency does he choose to fund it.
If you feel that the federal government's role is this type of funding, it's likely that there are many other fledgling organizations with noble purpose that could be helped to grow with the application of federal aid, and attain critical mass and also become self funding.
Or do we just give federal funding to everything that sounds like a good idea forever?

All good points PeteF., that is why you are open to criticism no matter which way you turn in situations like these. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul.
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PaulS 03-29-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164774)
You do understand that it was not he who proposed it in the first place I hope. I don’t know who thinks this makes him a hero but if that is your impression then you are a fool. If you don’t give him credit for reversing the policy then exactly who gets the credit? Try to think rather than spouting the snowflake anthem.
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So who proposed the cut to the special olympics in Trump's budget?

wdmso 03-30-2019 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164774)
You do understand that it was not he who proposed it in the first place I hope. I don’t know who thinks this makes him a hero but if that is your impression then you are a fool. If you don’t give him credit for reversing the policy then exactly who gets the credit? Try to think rather than spouting the snowflake anthem.
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Funny you talk about snowflakes then you expect him to get credit for reversing the policy... that should never have never been in the budget to start with ..


its called commander's intent it's his Budget its his people he is responsible ... took him 3-4 days to say

I have overridden my people': Trump says he will keep Special Olympics funded


But not once did he say Say his people were wrong ... or anything he was just feeling the Heat

After Trump made the announcement, DeVos thanked the president and said they see "eye to eye" on this, adding she pushed him to change his stance on funding the program. classics wasn't me....

Only Trump supporters think trump should get credit or praise for just doing what's right .. to start with .. he is so abnormal in his behavior his supporters give him credit for doing something that most americans do normally or on a daily basis... Like please, thank you , accepting responsibility, taking criticism.... not lying all the time ya know adult stuff

Sea Dangles 03-30-2019 07:19 AM

So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. Sounds about right. This is exactly why you are a proud snowflake.
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wdmso 03-30-2019 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164792)
Sounds about right. This is exactly why you are a proud snowflake.
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..So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. (who made that suggestion other than you? it's clear why he changed course it had nothing to do with doing the right thing



My son opened a door for someone years ago and was upset they didn't say Thank you...

My response to him was .. you open the door because it's polite and the right thing to do.. you do not do it with the expectation of being thanked

I am sorry it bothers you That I hold the POTUS to the same standard as my 12 year old son when this happened .... :btu:

detbuch 03-30-2019 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1164795)
..So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. (who made that suggestion other than you? it's clear why he changed course it had nothing to do with doing the right thing



My son opened a door for someone years ago and was upset they didn't say Thank you...

My response to him was .. you open the door because it's polite and the right thing to do.. you do not do it with the expectation of being thanked

I am sorry it bothers you That I hold the POTUS to the same standard as my 12 year old son when this happened .... :btu:

Sea Dangles' posts sound calm. Your's seem agitated.

Sea Dangles 03-30-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1164795)
..So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. (who made that suggestion other than you? it's clear why he changed course it had nothing to do with doing the right thing



My son opened a door for someone years ago and was upset they didn't say Thank you...

My response to him was .. you open the door because it's polite and the right thing to do.. you do not do it with the expectation of being thanked

I am sorry it bothers you That I hold the POTUS to the same standard as my 12 year old son when this happened .... :btu:

So now you are actually saying he did the right thing? Nobody is accusing Trump of being polite. You seem confused,or just frustrated that you agree with me.
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PaulS 03-30-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164801)
So now you are actually saying he did the right thing? Nobody is accusing Trump of being polite. You seem confused,or just frustrated that you agree with me.
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You're giving him credit for fixing a problem that he caused. Hilarious
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detbuch 03-30-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164804)
You're giving him credit for fixing a problem that he caused. Hilarious
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You think it's funny to fix your own problems? I commend those who correct their mistakes.

Although, in this instance (don't know if it was his "mistake" to begin with), I fault him for "fixing" it. Cutting the program was actually the right thing to do. Entirely eliminating it would be the right thing to do.

Sea Dangles 03-30-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164804)
You're giving him credit for fixing a problem that he caused. Hilarious
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When people do the right thing do you give them credit,Paul? Or does it depend on their name and party affiliation....if you were going to assign blame for cutting the program (which would be fair), why not praise him if he did something you find to be a good decision? Who deserves the credit Paul?
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PaulS 03-30-2019 12:47 PM

I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing. Especially politicians as most people feel it is doing their job.
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Jim in CT 03-30-2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1164792)
So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. Sounds about right.
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nailed it. that’s what TDS is all about. he can never, ever be right, not ever, not about anything. MSNBC talked about how fat and ugly he is, the other night. they can’t attack him on the economy or ISIS or russia, so they make fun of his appearance. Classy.
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Sea Dangles 03-30-2019 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164807)
I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing. Especially politicians as most people feel it is doing their job.
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Yet you have plenty of time to criticize a decision you consider to be the wrong thing. That is fine, but is known a one way street. I hope you see my point.👍🏿
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PaulS 03-30-2019 03:35 PM

Your point makes no sense because he caused the problem. Let me repeat that he caused the problem. I'll have to pull up all those post where you praised Obama.
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PaulS 03-30-2019 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164808)
nailed it. that’s what TDS is all about. he can never, ever be right, not ever, not about anything. MSNBC talked about how fat and ugly he is, the other night. they can’t attack him on the economy or ISIS or russia, so they make fun of his appearance. Classy.
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And how much bandwidth was wasted on this formum discussing Obama's mom's jeans
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Sea Dangles 03-30-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164810)
Your point makes no sense because he caused the problem. Let me repeat that he caused the problem. I'll have to pull up all those post where you praised Obama.
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Find the post where he did anything worth praising and you will find my response. Hint: it rhymes with tuba. While you are searching you can also attempt to find a single instance I criticized his traitorous ways,besides the Iran nuke blunder.size=1]Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]

The Dad Fisherman 03-30-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164807)
I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing. Especially politicians as most people feel it is doing their job.
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You must be a crappy boss. :hee:

I know I usually get a “Nice Job” from my boss once in awhile when I finish up a project.
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scottw 03-30-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1164807)
I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing.
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those people suck ....:kewl:


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