have to admit to not knowing what that word meant...does that say more about me or you? :laughs:

so what’s the magic
number? and if i get that many lawyers to
sign something saying that anyone other than hilary would
have been arrested for violating email security, would
that be good
enough to convince you? no it would
not. so this is exactly as meaningless.
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And how many people were indicted for actions related to the collusion? Z-E-R-O. Boy, there must have been a lot "there".

There's also a possibility that some DOJ and FBI officials had their thumbs on the scales, that also needs to be investigated.

Probably both
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Yea, well over 100 secret contacts with Russians. In every instance Trump or his people lied to the voters and the FBI. 100+ charges, 30+ indictments, guilty pleas and prison time.

You keep trying to move the goal posts Jim. Your standard for proper behavior is pretty low.

absolutely hilarious after that answer....

i’m not moving any goal posts.
i’m responding to your statement that there was a lot there. no there wasn’t, not if that exhaustive of an investigation led to zero indictments.

contacts with russians, is evidence of a crime, for a presidential candidate? i think everyone who has ever won a nomination, would
tell you that everyone wants to meet with you. Sure some meetings are unethical.

“ your standard for proper behavior is pretty low.”

Nope. you’re just not used to seeing someone apply the standard equally to both sides. Sure as hell not what you do.
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34 indictments isn't zero, it's a huge pile. If all those Trump campaign members didn't think they were doing something wrong why would they lie to the feds about it?

If Trump didn't think he was doing anything wrong why would he repeatedly work to obstruct justice?

Seriously, you have an administration that universally acted in a duplicitous manner, encouraged illegal behavior for personal gain, colluded with adversaries for personal gain, habitually lied to the American people, tried to obstruct the investigation into their behavior and is still working to obstruct investigations into their behavior.

Anyone got a flag to hug?

Sure, let's wave the flag high and proud. Your description describes the basic nature of most Presidential administrations after the first handful, or less. And any that had or would have had an attempt to wrongly bring them down, to destroy them, would not have acted much differently in trying to stop that.

ZERO indictments for collusion. Zero is less than 34. as stupid as trump is ( which is less stupid than your side makes him out to be), and after three seperate investigations into collusion, there were absolutely, precisely, exactly zero indictments ( against americans) for that act.

You want me to believe there was systemic collusion, and trump covered up all of it? no one could
nail anybody? and that's not exculpatory.

you cannot win on the facts or results, so you distract. Biden is telling blacks that the GOP wants to bring back Jim Crow. Which side celebrated low black unemployment at the SOTU, and which side sat on their hands with scowls in their faces?

trump beat your side again, he made you all look stupid again, and you can’t handle it.

and the democrats will probably respond by nominating one of the very few people on the planet, who make Trump look presidential.

the superior, highly evolved progressives, are getting repeatedly bitch slapped by a simpleton. And now he’s ticked off
and now it’s his DOJ, and get ready for his investigation. he has them
quivering.


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Jim, (for the 73rd time) there's no indictment for collusion. Over 250 contacts with Russians. Every one of those hidden is an incident of collusion.

I think we're up to 700 by the way.

I think Jim's getting wet

Oh. So they did find collusion. Thanks for the alternate universe opinion
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He doesn't seem to understand much of the investigation.

That investigation is over. Another is coming. Maybe we all will "understand" much more when that is over. Even you.

The Russian indictments are significant as they are the first detailed legal cases brought forth from an attack on our democracy that the President has encouraged, lied about and tried to assist Russia in covering up.

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Yea, that's why he said "I'm f*cked"

True, the House is just ramping up.

And then the Senate . . . And then the DOJ . . . and the forthcoming IG investigation. Lots to help us "understand" more, and keep us yapping. If we can sift through the spinning and politics and campaigning for 2020.

And it all began with a "hoax." It's kind of disgusting, actually.

THAT'S your proof of something? You're a silly boy.

Let’s not forget why this investigation started, it’s due to Russian interference in our election and while Mueller didn’t find collusion; there was plenty of wrong doing. Even Barr stated previously the FBI should be contacted if a foreign power takes steps to influence an election, did that happen? The FBI knows the Russians are continuing their efforts and what does our president think about it; he believes they will no longer attempt to interfere, gee wiz I wonder why that is. Trump is enabling foreign powers and by his inaction actually encouraging them to ramp it up for 2020, so to me there are far more troubling things about this report and Trumps complete disregard for the facts.
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If it had stuck with Russian interference and not wandered off into investigating Trump when there was no concrete evidence that he was involved, and turning it into a political attempt to remove Trump, then we might more effectively have evolved into a solution.

On the other hand, there is probably not a whole lot we can do about Russian meddling. Maybe we could start by not doing our own meddling. Fat chance.

Probably, the best bet is to accomplish an economic community with the rest of the world rather than a political one. That takes agreement rather than war, cyber or otherwise.

Could they unearth the code red for you Jeff?
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that is incorrect...it was due to leftist hissy fit

you look adorable in tin foil

Trump has not completely disregarded the facts. He may have a bit different idea of what some of the facts are, but overall, there seems to have been some initiatives to interfere with Russian interference. And, certainly the FBI will continue to do the important stuff it needs to do. Overall, it has been reported that Trump has actually been tougher, in all respects, on the Russians than Obama was. Not sure if there has been any "enabling," and if there was, not sure who was the one doing it.

That statement cracks me up, Trump constantly disregards the fact and if the facts staff show him in pretty pictures (he can’t read as you know), they are shown the door. He has put his foot in his mouth so many times over facts he denies or disregards, as the truth comes out and he does the Donnie walk back and his typical distraction ploy to divert attention from his latest BS.

Speaking of BS, if The NY Times reporting is true, I guess Trump isn’t as smart and the art of the deal is how to loose a billion dollars of daddy’s money in ten years. No wonder he is fighting to not release his tax records, his base thinks he is a brilliant businessman, that will be a shock to their reality, that he can do the same magic for America.

Said it before, follow the money.

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Ahhh... if collusion isn’t a crime, what was the point? for two years, how many in the media predicted indictments? his son and
son in law we’re sure to get indicted!!



oh, 700. and if that many said hilary should have gone to prison, that would mean what to you, exactly?
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You have this impressive and colorful way of expressing what seems to be a wealth of knowledge. Ronnie Reagan may have had you in mind when he said: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

Boom
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And you have a mind like a sieve, because apparently you have no recollection of the countless lies and facts brought to light forcing the classic Trump walk back or narrative to change the public view of what he said.
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I recollect the various narratives. I look at results. The negative narratives and positive results don't square.

In the report it basically states the reason Don Jr didn't get indicted was that he was too stupid to realize he was breaking campaign finance laws for his coordination with WikiLeaks. Just because there's no indictment doesn't mean there's not wrongdoing. Read the report.

Remember there are still a dozen outstanding investigations we don't have any visibility to. This is likely one of the big reasons Trump desperate to keep the full report under wraps.

The idea that this is all over is laughable.

Oh ouch, I, I can't breathe...

Are you just being a drama queen . . . or are you actually a closet Trumpian liar.

You might insert here another one of your lengthy and hollow HAHA'S. Who said "this" is all over?

Oh, I agree it's not over. The next step is investigating the people who started the hoax, to see if Obama's justice department broke rules by becoming political campaign operatives. It's not over by a long shot, I cannot wait for the next stage, I yearn for the next stage. You might not be as excited as I am, you might want to take a sabbatical to whatever spa you went to after the election.

Do you remember the left's reaction when Trump said his campaign was being spied on? Everyone laughed, everyone called him a liar. How many of those critics have admitted on air, that he was 100% correct? Has a single person done that?

Christopher Wray would disagree that he was spied on, but then again, what does he know...

Oh FFS Bryan, Wray admitted that there was eavesdropping on the campaign, and we know the FBI inserted undercover operatives to infiltrate the campaign. Wray didn't like the use of the word "spying", is that not splitting hairs?

In your words Bryan, what's the difference between "spying", and what was done to the Trump campaign?

And the Attorney General, I believe, is Christopher Wrays boss, and he did use the term "spying" what does he know...

I would call it an investigation on suspicious contacts between a campaign and a foreign adversary.

As far as Barr, forgive me for distrusting a guy who auditioned in public for this job by writing an unsolicited memo for an audience of one on why president's can't be indicted....

ok. if the fbi used wiretaps
to eavesdrop on the campaign, and if they used undercover operatives to infiltrate, how is that different from spying?

electronic surveillance isn’t spying?

when you are resorting to suggesting that wiretaps and undercover agents are not the tools
of spying, then you have serious, serious TDS.

i cannot believe you are differentiating between spying and surveillance. this is where rational conversation isn’t possible anymore.


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