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scottw 06-06-2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1168183)

Lawrence Tribe has an interesting proposition .

not really...

JohnR 06-07-2019 10:32 AM

Tribe is such a partisan

Pete F. 06-07-2019 01:01 PM

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Sea Dangles 06-07-2019 01:16 PM

PeteF has finally displayed clarity.
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spence 06-07-2019 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1168047)
Now for emphasis: Do I KNOW that Trump entered active agreement with Russia to have the election pushed to DJT's benefit? No. This was the bar I needed to see reached with the Mueller Report. It did not.

So I guess you're OK with a POTUS who's sworn to uphold the Constitution obstructing justice that's just fine and dandy. I guess Putin made him do it because that's what Russians have always done.

Brilliant.

Pete F. 06-07-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1168217)
Tribe is such a partisan

So is George Conway

“It’s not a modest proposal—it’s brilliant. Nothing in the Constitution dictates the procedure by which the House decides whether to pass a bill of impeachment. No reason why it can’t hold a trial for the American people to see. Let the chips fall where they may.”

detbuch 06-07-2019 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1168231)
So is George Conway

“It’s not a modest proposal—it’s brilliant. Nothing in the Constitution dictates the procedure by which the House decides whether to pass a bill of impeachment. No reason why it can’t hold a trial for the American people to see. Let the chips fall where they may.”

Conway is a Trump hater. And he is in no special position which makes his opinions some gold standard of political or constitutional thought.

And Tribe's proposal is thoughtless idiocy driven by partisanship and hate. His language presupposes Trump's guilt and so is irrational to begin with, as well as being stupid, a contradiction to law or reason or purposes for criminal trials or the duty of the House, and a disregard for the consequences that would occur every time the House is ruled by the party to which the President doesn't belong.

Tribe, Conway, Spence, and you are constantly assuring us that Trump is guilty. If you didn't think so, or you were not sure, would you believe that a public trial of the President by the house is a good idea merely to convince the public that the President is a criminal? Would such a trial (which no doubt would happen every time the House was of an opposing party) serve the non-partisan responsibilities to which the branches of the Federal Government must be faithful, or would it be another way to play political opposition in order to obstruct the governing party's attempt to govern? Would giving the legislative branch such judicial powers be another instance of further destroying constitutional separation of powers?

And criminal trials are meant to convict, not to make a show for political purposes--not to be show trials.

Pete F. 06-08-2019 07:43 PM

So where in the Constitution does it specify how the House is to make the determination to impeach the President?
Mueller could not within the rules, indict trump.
Trump could waive the rules that Mueller believes prohibit him from indicting him.
The report says Trump may have successfully obstructed the investigation, that’s the point of obstruction.
Meanwhile Mr lock them up, is horrified that someone said in private, that they want him to lose, be indicted, convicted and go to prison, far less horrible than what he’s been saying about others since he became a candidate and continued to say as President. I suppose you think he was joking about that also.
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detbuch 06-08-2019 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1168268)
So where in the Constitution does it specify how the House is to make the determination to impeach the President?

A majority vote of the House of Representatives is required to bring impeachment charges (Article I, Section 2, Clause 5), which are then tried before the Senate (Article I, Section 3, Clause 6). Two-thirds of the Senate must vote to convict before an official can be removed.

Mueller could not within the rules, indict trump.

The purpose of Mueller's investigation was not to indict, but to conclude that Trump was guilty of obstruction. And he could have specifically recommended whatever was needed for Trump to be removed.

Trump could waive the rules that Mueller believes prohibit him from indicting him.

Why should he? Mueller's investigation did not conclude that Trump obstructed. On what grounds should Trump waive the rules?

The report says Trump may have successfully obstructed the investigation, that’s the point of obstruction.

The report does not conclude that Trump obstructed the investigation. The report, and other reports, do point out a lot of instances where Trump cooperated and aided the investigation.

Meanwhile Mr lock them up, is horrified that someone said in private, that they want him to lose, be indicted, convicted and go to prison, far less horrible than what he’s been saying about others since he became a candidate and continued to say as President. I suppose you think he was joking about that also.
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Trump generally doesn't attack unless he is attacked. You seem to think that he should not respond in kind. I have no problem with it.


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