evidence please?

we don’t enthusiastically endorse waste or indoctrination. education, yes.

which side opposes school
choice, can you remind me, i forgot?

to democrats, “supporting education” means giving more
money to teachers unions, so that much of that money will
get donated to democratic political campaigns. But it doesn’t necessarily improve the quality of the education being offered.

Spending more, isn’t necessarily the same thing, as supporting education.
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Your right spending more isn't necessarily the same thing as supporting education but it is a very good proxy.

It is bc conservatives don't like science and the schools piss conserv. off bc of that? Conserv. didn't support colleges as much as liberals far longer than the past few years.

I'm not sure Harvard's School of West Sri-Lankan Genderfluid Archeology Department is higher education than Perdue's Aerospace Engineering program.

*Some* of higher ed's famed institutions have jumped the rails reality.

I was thinking of auditing one of their courses :hihi:

this is just dumb

Funny, my daughter just graduated from a Southern Baptist (Assuming they lean right), University, that's located in a "Red State", with a degree in BioChemistry (I think that qualifies as a science)

the best schools are private schools. i’m not sure that because they happen to be located in states that today are liberal, means anything. some
of them are hundreds of years old, so i’m not sure todays political climate in those states, is why those schools were built there. but that’s what you are suggesting?

show me the evidence that spending is any kind of proxy. Here in CT, we spend
more than 14k per kid in my town ( southington). schools are pretty good. the catholic school
costs 5k per year, and has much higher test scores.

there is almost zero correlation between spending and student performance. student performance is largely determined in the home. i was a public schoolteacher for a brief time, i come from a family of
many public schoolteachers. money has almost nothing to do with it, especially when 90% of
an education budget goes to teachers salaries, healthcare, and pensions. Students don’t know or care about that stuff. that does almost nothing to improve test scores.
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I love science

Are you channeling your inner SD?

conservatives don’t like
engineering and
medicine? gimme a break...you’re
making stuff up out of thin air.

conservatives are probably resisting the science of climate change for political reasons, just as liberals deny the science of unborn baby development in pursuit of their own political agenda. both sides play dumb when it suits them.
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Proving it to those who don’t pay attention. Not a bright bulb here.
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Don't you think that has something to do with being able to accept who they want, put certain requirements on the students/parents, charge tuition (or more tuition) which limits the pool to a certain type of people and not have to educate every student - even those who aren't invested in their education?

As usual, nothing intelligent to add. Any time you want to compare education or income, let me know :)

It must be a struggle in your daily life.

ohhhh....gloves off!

just being honest

but you sound so snarky and really are not adding anything other than what seems like an attempt to annoy. Not one of them is a good quality.

Why should I take anything from a troll?

you really need to expand your vocabulary

yes it has something to
do with that.

but spending money isn’t always the answer. if i’m a teacher at a crappy school
in hartford, and next year i get a fat raise and cheaper health insurance, how does that help my students perform better? because i’m any municipal education budget, that’s where all the money goes. because the unions control the politicians, at least here in CT. when you have to cut things like art and music, and lay-off non tenured teachers to satisfy union contracts, i don’t see how that helps students. do you?
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Why use a different word every time to describe the same actions?

UNC Programs - State School in a Red State

https://catalog.unc.edu/undergraduate/programs-study/

University of Alabama Programs - State School in a Red State

https://catalog.ua.edu/programs/

LSU Programs - State School in a Red State

https://www.lsu.edu/majors/a-z.php

University of Arkansas - State School in a Red State

https://fulbright.uark.edu/academics...d-programs.php

Looks like plenty of STEM options to me.

I agree $ isn't the always the answer and with your example it may not help the students. However, if you can attract better teachers bc of higher pay/benefits that would benefit the students. There are many states that don't fund the teacher salaries adequately and that was reflected in the strikes last year. Some of the teachers were making like $35K and hadn't had raises in a few years.

I would be happy to compare. Will I need to provide tax returns?
No need to lash out at me just for calling you out after another thoughtless post Paul.
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Don’t confuse the poor fellow this way. Where is the link?🤡
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I used to laugh at teachers who used to say, when contracts were being negotiated, that the reason the students weren't doing well was because teacher's salaries were too low. So what did that mean--if they got pay raises, they would do better? If the salaries went up to meet their demands, then they would do better? Or did it mean that they were not good teachers and that good teachers did not take the job because it didn't pay enough? So, did it mean that, if the administration raised the salaries adequately, they would fire all the teachers and hire good ones that would sign on for the better pay?

No, it would not mean that. It would mean that the same teachers that were in place, and supposedly not good, would all get pay raises. And nothing would change except they'd get paid more for continuing to do what they had been doing.

Or, maybe I'm wrong, and a pay raise would be like a magic wand and make the bad teachers into good ones.

We can compare anything you want. You just rarely show any intelligence. It is usually just snide comments and insults without ever trying to add anything to the discussion. I'm not sure if it due to a feeling of inferiority or what. I'm not lashing out, I'm just responding to your constant insults in this forum. Why should I take your constant childish insults?

I don't think it would work like a magic wand but it would bring in a different group of candidates and you might not have to settle for some of those that are hired bc there were no better candidate. Maybe it might incent some of the bad teachers to do better.

You can't teach those who don't want to learn.

Teachers arent the problem

If you apologize for your stupidity I will consider backing off. Otherwise, continue saying dumb stuff and get called out.
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we’re having decent dialogue here. there’s something to be said for better pay attracting better teachers, but again, i point you to catholic schools, where teachers are almost literally paid in dirt, yet those schools get world
class teachers. teaching is a calling, if
you offer too many perks ( great benefits, insane time off) you get people
who go into teaching for that reason, and that’s not good.

i’ve seen this from every angle. and i'm willing to bet you believe that i want what’s best for all kids, not just my kids. i’ve been a student in public and catholic school, i’ve taught in public and catholic school, i’ve been a parent of
kids in public and catholic school. Money has very little to do with it, and another truth is this, liberals
do a terrible, terrible job of spending that money. way too much money is diverted away from things that actually help
kids learn, way too much money goes to salary and benefits, which does almost nothing for students.

here’s the fix. make teacher retirement and healthcare benefits exactly equal to the average of what’s available to white collar professionals in the private sector. that will save a ton. use that savings to hire more teachers, which reduces class size, because that IS correlated with student performance. Also, there is no sane argument against school
choice. And since all that really matters is what’s going on at home, we need to do more to encourage strong, stable, close nuclear families, because that is by far, the biggest driver of student performance, nothing else even comes close. the older i get, the
more certain i am that this is almost all that matters. without it, almost nothing else works.

i do appreciate the challenging questions, and the respect with which you asked them.
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Why would I apologize for pushing back on a troll?

Maybe you should go back to commenting on a fellow posters son's college choice and saying it was budget shopping or some other classless insult.

This...

How does a school encourage stable families when some educators found that providing a place for kids to wash their clothes increases the likelihood they will show up every day and that idea was mocked?

It shouldn't be the school's job to encourage stable families. Their job is to teach. People have lost their way on how they approach building a family. It's a societal thing, not a school thing.

I'm pretty sure that everybody here approached having kids and building a family as a serious responsibility, a lot of people don't anymore.

When did terms like Baby Mama and Baby Daddy become A-OK? We need less Kardashians and more Leave it to Beaver

When you plant corn,that is probably what you will sow. Good luck my little cupcake,you had your chance.
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Both poverty and rising inequality are largely consequences of America’s failing education system. Fix that, I believed, and we could cure much of what ails America.
Nope, Nick Hanauer wrote an article in the latest issue of the Atlantic that he feels explains why not.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...enough/590611/

Is America's Education system failing, or is it American's failing to take advantage of the Education System?

As usual, don't add anything. Just throw insults. I had my chance to do what - ignore the troll?

you’re right, their absolute salary isn’t the same as comparable
private sector
professionals. nor should it be, because that’s the sacrifice you make as a
public servant, same way a prosecutor doesn’t make
Anywhere near as much as an attorney in the private sector. people in the private sector dont get the time off teachers get, nit do we have tenure. again, catholic schools pay crap, and yet they get good teachers. you’ll never convince me that if we reduce overall compensation a bit, that no one will teach, all of the empirical
evidence refutes that. kids need
more teachers, not a smaller number of better paid teachers
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