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Jim in CT 06-21-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1169056)
If it was a manned aircraft, yes. It was unmanned (one reason we use them) and the engagement level is lower than if it were manned.

So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?

bingo. if we
bombed those sites and killed some folks, the trump haters would
say he's bloodthirsty and should have tried diplomacy. because he showed restraint, the same
exact people
will say he’s too soft. it doesn’t matter what he does. the problem
is his existence, not what he does.
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spence 06-21-2019 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1169056)
So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?

Dangerous because he’s being played by war mongers and can’t see beyond the next news cycle.
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JohnR 06-21-2019 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169064)
Dangerous because he’s being played by war mongers and can’t see beyond the next news cycle.
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But it looks like here he didn't get played by War Mongers. I am not a fan. We could have had a better pres.

BTW - the US may have launched new cyber attacks on Iran.

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-secr...wer&soc_trk=tw

Jim in CT 06-21-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169064)
Dangerous because he’s being played by war mongers and can’t see beyond the next news cycle.
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he called off the strike. how is that getting played by the war
mongers?
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spence 06-21-2019 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1169067)
he called off the strike. how is that getting played by the war
mongers?
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Do you honestly believe anything they say?
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Jim in CT 06-21-2019 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169068)
Do you honestly believe anything they say?
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i don’t refuse to
believe everything that goes against my agenda.
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scottw 06-22-2019 05:13 AM

it's funny to see who the bitter clingers really are


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Got Stripers 06-22-2019 06:35 AM

Who knows what the actual decisions were, but reporting now indicates Trump ordered the attack and possibly due to Bolton’s advice and then senior pentagon officials may have gotten him to cancel. If that’s true and it certainly falls right into his playbook, is that a strong smart president, sits down with all the key people, weighs the pros and cons, then makes the call and sticks with it. This is typical reactionary Trump, hears from someone he likes and goes off quickly in that direction, walking things back is his MO.
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Sea Dangles 06-22-2019 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169078)
Who knows what the actual decisions were
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None of us do but I am sure you will make something up and cry wolf.
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scottw 06-22-2019 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169078)
Who knows what the actual decisions were, but reporting now indicates Trump ordered the attack and possibly due to Bolton’s advice and then senior pentagon officials may have gotten him to cancel. If that’s true and it certainly falls right into his playbook, is that a strong smart president, sits down with all the key people, weighs the pros and cons, then makes the call and sticks with it. This is typical reactionary Trump, hears from someone he likes and goes off quickly in that direction, walking things back is his MO.
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it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


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Jim in CT 06-22-2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1169085)
it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


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they can really bend
the reality to fit their agenda.
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wdmso 06-22-2019 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1169086)
they can really bend
the reality to fit their agenda.
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you should know .....:kewl:

Got Stripers 06-22-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1169085)
it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


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Trump has a new slogan, make Iran great again🤪
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Sea Dangles 06-22-2019 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1169099)
Trump has a new slogan, make Iran great again🤪
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Next thing you know he will send them boatloads of money overnight. Cuz you know, they are good folks.
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spence 06-22-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1169101)
Next thing you know he will send them boatloads of money overnight. Cuz you know, they are good folks.
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Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
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The Dad Fisherman 06-22-2019 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169102)
Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
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Probably had nudes of Michelle
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Sea Dangles 06-22-2019 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169102)
Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
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Thank you for the flash bulletin Jeff.
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spence 06-23-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1169107)
Thank you for the flash bulletin Jeff.
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Of, that one hurt. Must have been a TDF-SD collaboration.
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Jim in CT 06-24-2019 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1169117)
Of, that one hurt. Must have been a TDF-SD collaboration.
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he’s increasing sanctions, and he
let the Iranians know that it was very close to being worse for them. Trump has done things i can not stand. i think he handled this about as well as it could
have been handled.

he had a few options, and no matter what he did, the
liberals in the media would have attacked him for it, and you would have sucked it up
like a Hoover deluxe.

what would
you have had him do? Nothing? Send them more cash?
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Pete F. 06-24-2019 08:00 AM

I would rather he built a coalition, than send Pompeo after the fact to the Middle East to try and assemble one, or put one back together depending on your viewpoint.

America First (Alone) is not an example of good leadership.

Here's the countries that were in the Gulf War coalition and regardless of how you feel about the Gulf War, the diplomatic and military leadership was incredibly skilled. I don't see that happening with this President.

The Allied coalition was made up of 39 countries: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.

scottw 06-24-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1169126)
I would rather he built a coalition

for killing a drone?

Jim in CT 06-24-2019 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1169140)
for killing a drone?

for attacking the tankers, the whole world should be abandoning Iran. But if Trump took the time to build a coalition, the TDS crowd would attack him for stalling and not being decisive.
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Pete F. 06-26-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1169140)
for killing a drone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1169142)
for attacking the tankers, the whole world should be abandoning Iran. But if Trump took the time to build a coalition, the TDS crowd would attack him for stalling and not being decisive.
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Much like Trump's comments on Kashoggi and MBS, the UAE now says they have seen no proof that Iran was responsible. Perhaps they are concerned that Bolton is repeating the mistakes made in Iraq, but with a more powerful adversary.

Or they realize that politically the Iranian politicians cannot be seen by their citizens as losers and need to be able to claim some victory before negotiating.

What Iran has done to date is very limited, odd how they just damaged some tankers by placing limpet mines at the waterline or above and shot down a drone. Do you think they don't have the capability to do much more damage just with limpet mines? In 1971 Pakistan in one night suffered the loss of 60 thousand tons of shipping from limpet mines, that's likely why the Indian navy is in the Gulf now.

Now we get to see if Trump is capable of complicated diplomatic negotiations, I've seen little evidence so far that he is capable of being anything other than a bully.


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