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In my corporate past if Trump were not the owner or CEO and made those comments about fellow workers, guess who would be meeting with the HR director shortly after, in the hopes the company wouldn’t be facing a legal issues. Hey I’m happy he stepped in it, because while he may have gotten a high five from the old wonder bread he is preaching to, he may have stopped the infighting on the left and he certainly screwed himself on a major voting block.
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Personally, I don't see what's so outrageous about Trump's full tweet. It certainly wasn't racist. Calling it racist is hogwash. To begin with, countries are not races. And they were personal, said to specific persons, not to generalized races. And those specific persons, in the eyes of many, deserved a dressing down. When Pelosi called them out, she did so because they deserved it. And the notion that the countries that their parents ran from, and which Trump criticized, are consistently defended by the ladies against US actions, including US wishes to equalize trade with, or get cooperation on illegal immigration, or defending Israel, it makes one wonder where those ladies loyalty resides. And if there is more loyalty in the hearts of those ladies to their ancestral countries than to the US, I would applaud the ladies if they spent their energies and comments on improving the condition of those countries. I have often thought that those who flee their countries in droves to come here because where they came from are chitholes, that it would be better for all of us, including those they left behind, if they had stayed and fought to make their homeland what they want this country to be. |
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Have you watched his helicopter news conferences? Watched his rallies? Looked at news reports other than right of center? I’m on two local government boards and the board of another organization. Hardly liberal organizations. Sorry but There’s not one of those places where you claim correct thinking people assemble within 75 miles of me. I must be missing out by not going to fast food restaurants or being a catholic. As far as his behavior it’s as easy as saying what you said is unacceptable. Politicians have done it for hundreds of years in this country. It’s ghastly that trump has such control of his minions in Congress that criticism is political suicide. Lindsey Graham has gone from never trump to trump’s asskisser in two years because he’s scared. Watch the link I posted, nothing fake there but Lindsey. As far as Hillary goes your reading comprehension must suck. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Can I judge you based on what elizabeth warren says and does? Or AOC? Or Anthone Weiner? or Hilary Clinton? "Lindsey Graham has gone from never trump to trump’s asskisser" Graham bashed Trump just yesterday for his "go back where you came from" comments. Graham was very critical of Trump, just yesterday. Your issue, is that you divide the world into 2 groups...those as deranged and blinded with trump hatred as you are, and everyone else is a Trump asskisser. No in between, not with you. ANyone (like me and Graham) who praises him sometimes, and criticizes him sometimes, is a Trumplican. TDF nailed it. I'll probably stop responding to you, there's literally no point, your entire perspective is orange man bad, you have nothing else, you aren't capable of seeing or hearing anything else. Look at the threads you've posted since he got elected. |
Great response to an angry man. Homeschooling VT style doesn’t fly here.
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“So you need to think about whom you choose to lead, what they say matters.” You keep insisting that if I despise Trump I must like liberal politicians. Silly boy, I believe all Americans have the right to a political voice. Trump doesn’t, as evidenced in his speech and his response to Grahams “criticism”. “I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.” I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do. AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree. As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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We didn’t but I’ve seen some very successful homeschooled kids grow up. Better than average students, parents efforts count. School Board member 20+ years ago. I did a few terms, some as chairman. Great rural school and one of the lowest per pupil costs in the state. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
PeteF. Take a step back and it is easy to see angry malcontents. They are the ones running around acting like chicken little. My sky is not falling. Similar to Trump,you beat your chest,again.
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democrats should stop electing communists and sending them to Washington
democrats are sad because trump thrives in the political sewer that they themselves created and presided over for so long....he's the monster that they created and now he's chasing them around the building :jester:..in the political environment that the democrats have created....nice guys only get neutered...democrats hurl hurtful insults every day....quit whining |
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beat them at the game of fighting without rules. they assumed we’d keep nominating nice but wimpy folks who could not defend themselves in that arena. As always, they were wrong. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Hey Trump claimed he is the lest racist person he knows and we all know he never lies, so he must have some really racist friends. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a fing duck. Now if you are current serving in the Senate and are republican, or have become drunk on the coolaid, you somehow see a swan. It Trump proving yet again who he is.
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i asked if its racist to say that somalia is a dysfunctional country. ( answer- it’s not racist, because it is in fact a terrible place). you said that question isn’t relevant. i said it is relevant because it’s a part of his tweet that he’s getting slammed for. now you say i’m defending him. it was a stupid offensive tweet. but not racist. and the more i think about it, the less of a problem i have, with telling 4 hens who clearly hate everything this country was founded upon, to get lost if they hate it that much. he shouldn’t have said go back where you came from, but if he said “you obviously hate everything the country is and stands for, so i have good news for you, you are free to leave”, id have been ok with that. AOC is too stupid to be dangerous, she’s a harmless punchline, who i believe is actually doing more good for the GOP than could be done by any republican who could ever win that district. Omar is a very different animal. a reporter asked her if she would condemn the antifa terrorist attack at an ICE facility he tried to incinerate, and she refused to condemn it, and i’m not making that up. that one is a manchurian candidate who loathes the country that took her in. she is scary. when you can’t condemn an obvious act of domestic terrorism, you have no business being in congress. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
video of Omar refusing to condemn domestic terrorism, and that's not any kind of exaggeration.
the left never stops perpetrating the myth that trump refuses to condemn white supremacists. well here is Omar in all off her radically anti-american glory, refusing to condemn domestic terrorism. that could have killed dozens. how in christ’s name did this one get elected. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...irebomb-attack Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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in cash if you can post anything i’ve ever said, that would make anyone with an IQ of 50 or higher, think that i feel that way. or kindly admit you made it up. I’m serious, $100 in cash for any evidence to support that bullsh*t claim you just made. i condemned what trump said, are you so slow and dim that you missed the 5 times that i said it was an offensive tweet? if anything, immigrants who come here legally and become citizens, are better citizens, because unlike many of us, they don’t take the beauty and opportunity of this place for granted. they work hard, do the right things, and view education as a gift from god, many of them send their kids, first generation born here, to college. that’s the stereotype of the legal immigrant. that’s the ideal, classic, stereotypical immigrant, someone who grabs the opportunities we offer with both hands. is that clear enough for you? or are you still a bit fuzzy? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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I've heard Trump called a Manchurian Candidate also, that scares me far more and there is circumstantial evidence that points to it being true. Trumps tweet So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly...... ....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how.... ....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements! |
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Originally Posted by Pete F.;1170281 Silly boy, I believe all Americans have the right to a political voice. Trump doesn’t, as evidenced in his speech and his response to Grahams “criticism”. [COLOR="Blue" I don't think Trump said that all Americans do not have a right to a political voice. Or any other voice, for that matter. This appears to be another one of your many, many lies re Trump. [/COLOR] “I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.” I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do. Sounds reasonable (acceptable, you seem to place yourself in some position of moral judge who accepts or doesn't). Lindsay also said “We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists,” “They hate Israel. They hate our own country. They’re calling the guards along our border — Border Patrol agents — concentration camp guards. They accuse people who support Israel of doing it for the Benjamins. They’re anti-Semitic. They’re anti-America." Do you find that "acceptable"? Look where it came from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4O2Ob1gVRU AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree. Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country. Did I say he did? As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device Quote:
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Thoughtless liberals say Trump is a "xenophobe".
Miriam-Webster definition of xenophobe: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin trump is married to a foreigner. So he hates foreigners, but is married to one? This is about as stupid, as the left saying that John McCain, who adopted a poor black girl, was a racist. It was world-class stupid, but it didn't stop Obama and the media from saying so. These people are so thoughtless and demonstrably wrong at every turn, it's breathtaking. |
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While I'm glad that you have accepted that Trump is a bigot, as usual you've jumped on something that justifies the leader you acclaim's behavior. Here's something that explains a little more about common usage and understanding. The terms xenophobia and racism often overlap, but differ in how the latter encompasses prejudice based on physical characteristics while the former is generally centered on behavior based on the notion of a specified people being adverse to the culture or nation. |
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Verified account @Scaramucci Follow Follow @Scaramucci More Would @realDonaldTrump ever tell a white immigrant - whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ generation - to "go back to your country"? No. That's why the comments were racist and unacceptable. America is a nation of immigrants founded on the ideals of free thought and free speech. ������������ 7:56 AM - 16 Jul 2019 |
I think some may not understand why telling an African American to go back to your country is racist.
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you need to re read some history on that phrase "go home to where you came from" its not as benign as you or trump are trying to suggest .... and any republican who also see's it as Racist get dismissed as RINOS .... But obama was called divider & chief what does that make Trump:huh: |
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put it this way, if they were all white women from albania, do you have any reason to believe he wouldn’t have said the same thing? it can only be racist, if his reaction was triggered by their race. i believe his reaction had nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with the fact that he can’t handle criticism. Paul, is it always racism, when a white person treats a black person poorly? can it ever just be garden variety jerkiness? despite what liberals clearly believe, it is possible to be obnoxious to a black person, and not be a racist, especially if one is equally obnoxious across the racial spectrum. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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much more overtly obnoxious and boorish, but obama also despised his adversaries. No one sits in rev wright’s church for decades and calls him their spiritual advisor, without buying into that racist bile. not denying anything, except your notion the tweet was racist. what is your proof that his tweet has anything to do with their race? isn’t trump a vulgar jerk to everyone who attacks him? JUST BECAUSE they aren’t white, doesn’t mean race played a role. To liberals obsessed with race baiting, the presence of non whites is enough to conclude there was racism. that’s horsesh*t. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Telling Blacks to leave this country has been a racist statement for many years so to Blacks it is a loaded statement. Google the phrase and see how blacks and Latinos have been taunted by it for years.
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Shelley Jackson was 7 years old the first time she heard it.
In the early 1970s, Ms. Jackson was among a group of 40 black children who were bused from one side of Los Angeles to integrate a majority-white school across town. One day, a playground squabble ended in a white classmate telling her to go back to Africa. “That day was the first day that I became aware that maybe we weren’t supposed to be there,” Ms. Jackson, who was born in California, said in an interview, “or that wasn’t our place.” On Sunday, President Trump used a version of a well-worn insult to tell four congresswomen to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.” All but one are American-born, but all are women of color. The president’s words reflected a love-it-or-leave-it sentiment that experts say has animated a sense of xenophobia since the dawn of the republic. But fresh examples persist. Along with more than 4,800 other people who wrote to The New York Times to share their own experiences with the phrase in the hours since Mr. Trump wrote it on Twitter, Ms. Jackson said his words served as a cutting reminder for scores of people who had encountered some version of that phrase throughout their lives, usually when they were speaking out in predominantly white spaces. “It’s like having a cold glass of water thrown in your face,” Ms. Jackson said, adding that she feels Mr. Trump has emboldened a culture where “you get a pass now to just say the things you only thought before.” Those who study language and rhetoric say the president’s “go back” comments — or, at least, the sentiment behind them — have roots beginning as far back as the 1600s, when dissidents were banished from American colonies for advocating total religious freedom. Later, a set of laws passed in 1798 allowed the deportation of noncitizens who were considered dangerous, were from hostile nations or had criticized the federal government. Amos Kiewe, who studies rhetoric at Syracuse University, guessed that the president’s tweet was most likely meant to sow divisions in the Democratic Party — and perhaps kick-start another news cycle that reporters would breathlessly follow — but that it had the side effect of surfacing a phrase with a history that is particularly racially divisive. “There has always been this xenophobia, fear of the other,” Mr. Kiewe said, “the foreigner, the person who looks different. It has hit different minorities for many decades.” It was there in 1882, when the Chinese Exclusion Act sought to curb the number of Chinese workers and families entering the United States to find day-labor work, from building railroads to doing laundry. And it was there in the 1840s, when anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States led to the creation of a nativist political party designed to weed out foreign influence. One of the prime examples of the “go back” sentiment has roots in the American Colonization Society, a white-led organization that sought to send freed slaves back to Africa. Fodei Batty, an assistant professor of political science at Quinnipiac University, wrote in a 2016 Washington Post analysis that some freed slaves went willingly because they were “disillusioned with the prospects of racial equality in America,” while others who wanted to stay argued that the effort to resettle slaves was a thinly veiled way to purge the United States of black people. Descendants of those who stayed, Mr. Batty said in an interview, are now familiar with the sort of knee-jerk “go back” slur meant to immediately single out someone from a group where one trait — usually whiteness — is the default. “You’re making this claim only to adopt a sense of place,” Mr. Batty said, “to put someone in a sense of place and give a sense of the other, that someone is different, without even having an understanding of the implications of those words.” For African-Americans, the idea of returning to Africa, originally advocated by some whites as a better alternative than servitude, now persists as an angry slur. Outside a Trump rally in Cleveland in 2016, a man was filmed shouting “go back to Africa” at a black woman who was there to protest Mr. Trump. “Y’all brought us here,” the woman retorted. From the 4,800 responses The Times received, a common theme seemed to be encountering the slur when speaking up in white spaces, with the targets not limited to African-Americans. Samantha Edwards, a 47-year-old administrative assistant who grew up in Las Vegas, also wrote to The Times to share her story. In the mid-1990s, she said she and her mother were chased out of a restaurant by two white men who screamed at them to “go back to Mexico.” She said she and her mother had been speaking together in English before the men chased them. Ms. Edwards, who was born in the United States but is of Mexican descent, said her parents avoided teaching her Spanish so she could avoid some of the discrimination they felt. “It’s frustrating to have a leader of your own country talking like that,” Ms. Edwards said, referring to Mr. Trump. “He’s supposed to represent all of us and he’s not.” Alanna Daniels, a 33-year-old business analyst from Waco, Tex., said that she often heard different variations of the taunt as a child, depending on which country people thought she was from. Ms. Daniels, who is mixed-race American with a white mother and a black father, said Mr. Trump’s tweet reflected back a version of a “kindergarten, exasperated” insult she has heard throughout her life. She highlighted the irony that a president who has spent much of his campaign and presidency criticizing his country, often referring to it as a “laughingstock,” is turning that argument back on four congresswomen who have criticized it for other reasons. “It was almost him saying that ‘this discourse is not for you,’” Ms. Daniels said. “It was almost saying ‘this isn’t yours, you have no skin in the game — literally.’” On Monday, speaking at a Made in America event showcasing American-made sandals, hot sauce and motorcycles at the White House, Mr. Trump defended himself against assertions that what he said was racist, and that white nationalists were finding common ground with him. “It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me,” Mr. Trump said. “All I’m saying is that if they want to leave they can leave. It doesn’t say leave forever.” |
Paul, i never said it’s never been used in a racist context, i’m talking about this case. i
live in CT, and i often about our imploding economy, and i cant tell you how many liberals have said to me, “if you don’t like it here, leave.”. this is similar to that. you’re saying trumps insinuation must be the same insinuation that someone else made when using similar language. that’s funny, because when AOC referred to detention centers as concentration camps and she said “never again”, all the liberals claimed that she didn’t mean nazi concentration camps, even though the phrase “never again” is a reference to the holicaust. i have no doubt he’d have said the same thing to 4 white women from albania. i can’t prove it, you can’t disprove it. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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This thread is a great example of snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.
Again (they do it a lot) Trump (he started it) Is there any way to twist words better than we witness here daily? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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