Given the scale of interference outlined in the report it's hard to believe it didn't have an impact. Given the election was decided on pretty thin margins it's quite possible it did push Trump over the edge.

What should be more disturbing though is that even though it did happen, Trump and a lot of the GOP is still denying or downplaying the threat to our electoral system or opposing efforts to improve it.

the left and the
media make it almost impossible for such a person to get a fair shake. McCain was a senile old racist, Romney a heartless plutocrat. if you want someone to the right of Liz Warren, that person needs to be able to fight back, and effectively. i’m not saying it needs to be Trump, but it can’t be a gentlemanly milquetoast wimp
either. not until more of the media isn’t partial.
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yawn.
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I believe he also said evidence was destroyed. And if Clinton ever refused to answer questions or not meet, the Repubs. would have been screaming.

"Throughout 2016, the report found, Paul Manafort, President Trump’s campaign chairman, gave private polling information to Russian agents and shared campaign strategy with them; in June 2016, Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son, arranged a meeting with Russians at Trump Tower in the expectation of getting “dirt” on the Hillary Clinton campaign; on July 27 of that year, candidate Trump publicly called on the Russians to hack Mrs. Clinton’s emails, five hours before they attempted to do just that; the campaign then devised its strategy and created its messages around WikiLeaks’s releases of stolen files from the Democratic National Committee"

When you start caring more for the Repub. party than America?

that's exactly what I've been saying

The R Primary does the same thing so that is unfortunate for all too. The one recent time that the moderate rose to the general, Romney, he was flayed as a sexist binder ridden polygamist that was gonna pout 47% of all y'all in chains.


I truly don't think they hacked Clinton's emails after Trump called for it, they had Clinton's emails for a long time already, as did the Chinese and god knows what other countries.

When both the Reps and Dems care more about reelection than American, you mean?

never. i’ve said
if he committed a crime, i wNt h vine more than anyone. i was told a million times the mueller report would be the final say, but as always, the left can’t handle it when it doesn’t go their way.

do you or spence or pete or GS or wdmso care that the doj used a dossier paid for by hilary, to spy on an american citizen?

i’m concerned about trump. and i’m concerned that hilary used the doj as her personal private eye firm. i’m concerned about both of those things. are you? or do you only care about one?

you people
learned absolutely nothing in 2016. Zip.
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And you seem to care more about 3.7% and 27,000 than that the Russians interfered in elections or the constant lying from this admin - nothing has been done to prevent the Russians from doing it again.

And just when would you suggest looking at political operatives involvement with Russia?

Popadopoulous told an Australian diplomat about info on Russians having emails and the Aussie had more sense than anyone in the Trump campaign, including Trump to date.

“All we did was report what Papadopoulos said, and that was that he thought the Russians may release information that could be damaging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign at some stage before the election,” Downer told Sky News. “Now, he didn’t have to tell me that. I didn’t go to the meeting thinking he was even going to mention Russia in a context like the election campaign, I had no idea he would say that.”

Papadopoulos had several meetings with foreign individuals overseas, including Downer and Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud, during the 2016 presidential election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report stated that Mifsud told Papadopoulos that the Russians had “dirt” in the form of emails that could damage Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign. Papadopoulos then told Downer about his conversations with Mifsud.

Papadopoulos has previously suggested that the Downer meeting was part of a plot to lay the groundwork for the Russia probe.

Downer said that Papadopoulos “chose” to share that information with him.

“I have no idea why he was blabbering this, but if you say that sort of thing to somebody who is part of the Five Eyes intelligence community, I mean, I would regard myself as a warrior for the western alliance, but if it is drawn to my attention that the Russians might be hacking into the campaigns of major candidates in western elections and then using that information to try to influence the outcome of those elections, that would really worry me,” he explained.

“Russia is not a friendly pal when it comes to western interests, and if they’re hacking into our elections, then that’s something we should try to stop,” Downer said. “I don’t know why he told me this, but he did and we reported it and the rest is history, but there is no defense for him saying it is some sort of weird conspiracy, I mean, it’s what he told me.”

Would you suggest we not investigate the unusual ties of several other Trump campaign aides to Russia. The early investigation focused on Papadopoulos, as well as Trump senior adviser Michael Flynn, campaign manager Paul Manafort, and foreign policy adviser Carter Page. Flynn had been paid $45,000 by Russia's state-sponsored television network RT for a 2015 speech in Moscow, where he was given a place of honor at the same dinner table as President Vladimir Putin. Manafort had been paid millions lobbying for pro-Russian interests in Ukraine. Page, an oil industry consultant who had lived in Russia for three years during the early 2000s, was already well known to the FBI. Russian spies had attempted to recruit him as an asset in 2013, after which a Russian operative was overheard in a wiretapped conversation telling his superiors that Page was "an idiot." As a Trump campaign aide, Page traveled to Moscow for three days in July 2016. While there, he gave a speech harshly criticizing the Obama administration's foreign policy toward Russia and met with officials of Rosneft, a state-run oil company. The FBI obtained a secret court order to wiretap Page in October, after he had left the campaign. That warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has become one of the most controversial parts of the investigation.

After Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, citing "this Russia thing," special counsel Robert Mueller conducted a two-year investigation that concluded that Russia had interfered in the 2016 presidential election "in a sweeping and systematic fashion." Mueller found that several people close to Trump — including Manafort and longtime confidant Roger Stone — had had dozens of contacts with Russians and were "receptive" to offers of help. Mueller also found 10 instances in which Trump personally may have obstructed justice in trying to limit or shut down the investigation. Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the committee's work had convinced him that the FBI had no choice but to begin a probe. "There was a growing body of evidence that a foreign government was attempting to interfere in both the process and the debate surrounding our elections," Rubio said. "The [FBI's] job is to investigate counter-intelligence. That's what they did."

Seems simple to me, both the report and Muellers testimony show Russian interfered in a major way, the Trump campaign while not proven guilty of conspiring with the Russians, they gladly accepted and in fact encouraged help from a long time enemy (very American of them). The report and testimony also proof Trump on multiple occasions made attempts to hinder, stop and then tamper with witnesses and the other reason he wasn’t charged was due to the guidelines under which Mueller was operating. That’s my interpretation of it and I don’t need a dozen posts to attempt to show where I’m wrong, because that’s as futile as my going beyond the above opinion to prove your wrong. Move on, Congress will either dig up more, get financial records, start proceedings to impeach or we move to the election and it’s decided there, I personally can’t wait for one or the other.
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And the Repubs. just blocked election security bills.

you know that was all during the Obama presidency ...right???

Here is the reason they put forth a bill to make this not only bad form but illegal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pozyiSHRm1U


And you can read the bill here
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...%5D%7D&r=1&s=3

According to Mueller they're still doing it today.

muller didn't appear to know what day today was

The intention just was not there. Next witch hunt is looming
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The intent to conspire with the Russians maybe not, the intent to obstruct an investigation DEFINATELY!
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WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time, but at the demand of American intelligence agencies the committee was forced to redact its findings so heavily that key lessons for the 2020 election are blacked out.

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One section on recommended action was almost completely redacted.
One section on recommended action was almost completely redacted.
The report — the first volume of several to be released from the committee’s investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference — came just 24 hours after the former special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, warned that Russia was moving again to interfere “as we sit here.”


It also landed hours after Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, personally stepped forward to block consideration of a package of election security bills.
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Mitch is useless and time for him to go.
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Definitely. NOT
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So you must be smarter or more informed than the hundreds of formal federal prosecutors who basically agreed with Mueller, stating that if anyone BUT a sitting president would have been charged, can you please scan your legal degree and post it for proof you have those credentials🤣🤣🤣
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I was actually trying to show you how to spell definitely. (Without caps)
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Spelling is so much more important than meaning, my goodness I’m thankful for the correction, what would this board be without the spelling police🤪
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We help each other out.
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then why didn’t Mueller ( who everyone in the left was tripping over themselves to adore for two years) just indict? he said the protocol against indicting a sitting potus was not the reason he didn’t indict, he said the investigation didn’t establish that trump committed a crime. does that mean anything to you? was mueller bought off by trump?
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He couldn't indict Trump

Here's Mueller's statement:
“I want to add one correction to my testimony this morning," Mueller said. "I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the President because of the OLC opinion. That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime.”

That is a portion of what he said in his opening statement:
"Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."

Mueller clarified that he did not intend to support Lieu’s implication that Mueller would have indicted Trump if not for the OLC opinion.

That would have meant that Mueller determined that Trump committed a crime, but could not do anything about it.

Mueller also said the President could be indicted for obstruction after he was out of office, he did not say he would or should be.

this is some crazy contortioneering :hihi:

Justice Department policy does not prevent making a determination re the President's conduct. Making a determination and indicting are not the same thing. If there was sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was criminal intent in Trump's actions (criminal intent would be necessary in a case where there is no underlying crime), then Mueller could have made that determination. It would be a dereliction of his duty not to make the determination if he believed it and the evidence showed it, but it would be foolish, or obviously biased, to determine he committed a crime if criminal intent could not be established. There is no doubt that Mueller would know that. That all may well be why he refused to make the determination as to whether the President committed a crime, mainly being that criminal intent would be too difficult to establish.

And the notion that he didn't make the determination on the basis of fairness is deceptive on its face. If fairness were the issue, then simply stating that there was not sufficient evidence to make that determination. Period. Case closed. The way Mueller did it was not, in any way, "fair." As Scott said, it was "crazy contortioneering."

You should be glad that the Independent Counsel Act expired or the investigation might have been as wide ranging and gone on as long as Starr's of the Clintons. Probably would have involved Stormy, Trump's finances and who knows what else.

But as far as your claim that the report failed to make a determination that Trump and his team acted improperly at best you are incorrect.

Here is a list for you:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/mueller-...d-said-or-knew

I think your argument is with the rules the Special Counsel operates under.

I assume that Rosenstein as the representative of the AG knew thru the required reporting about Mueller's teams reading of the regulations far prior to the issuance of the report.

You could ask your Representative to put forth that question, or perhaps it is one of the ones Mueller took. After the hearings, committee chairpersons give their colleagues a deadline for submitting additional questions based on the witness’s testimony and Mueller might be asked to provide a more substantive response.

The report Mueller prepared per the regulations was a confidential report and he presented it to the AG per the regulations. It was the AG's choice to release it in whole or part, if it was in the public interest. I believe Congress could also release it.

This is the interesting testimony to Congress on Wednesday, September 15, 1999 after the new regulations were issued by the Attorney General on June 30 to replace procedures which expired with the sunset that day of the Independent Counsel Act.

You can read the testimony here

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonie...l-regulations/

I expect after this the Special Counsel regulations may yet again be revised or a new law enacted.

Perfect is all I can say and well worth the termination for the audio visual guy who pulled this off and the translation in spanish for the verbiage is 42 is a puppet.

^^^^ did it make you feel better?...seems a bit childish

The dud over his left shoulder really ran things. Go back and watch his body language. He couldn't bed a poker player, that's for sure. I saw veins bulging on his forehead at one point

You mean like the juvenile insults that permeate this board, sure.

After I got up to part IV, and saw there was a whole bunch more, I gave up. Didn't find it interesting or criminal up to that point. Just circumstances that could mean anything. I found particularly hilarious Trump's sarcastic public statements supposedly being evidence of conspiracy. Really? Hey, world! Listen here, I'm going to expose my conspiratorial Requests to Putin, et. al, right before your ears and eyes, so you can see what I'm up to!! Really? He's that stupid? He wouldn't make a more confidential conspiratorial request to Putin to help him out? Just blurt it out to the world for everyone to see?

You told me you don't watch my videos. I'm not going to read or look at anymore of your links, and videos, and long cut and pastes. They don't usually prove anything anyway.