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It’s hard to believe that just 4 years ago that peaceful city was rioting.
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"What the hell? We should just take all this chit down.” - Former Baltimore Mayor (D) Cindy Pugh

"Whoa, you can smell the rats." - Former Baltimore Mayor Cindy Pugh (D)

“Baltimore is a Fu ck ing ghetto...it is chit” - Maryland Senate President Mike Miller (D-Md.)

“Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you were in a Third World country.” - Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt)

Keep thinking that it will be OK, that this too shall pass. Trump's effect on this country is horrific.

This is because instead of governing all the people, he acts as if he is the President of only those who agree with him and all dissenters are called names, denigrated and perhaps they should leave. He is the Great Divider Incarnate and celebrates it. Sad

The president, along with the vice president, are the only two public officials elected by the entire country. The president bears a unique responsibility to represent the unity of the country. Trump does not accept that responsibility. He treats his political opponents as illegitimate and even disloyal. He declared at the North Carolina rally, “A vote for any Democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism and the destruction of the American dream — frankly, the destruction of our country.”

Almost all the members thought to be checks on Trumps behavior in his early Cabinet are gone now and replaced by allies, many of whom have not been confirmed by Congress as required by the Constitution.

This has all happened before in history and people believed then that nothing bad would happen, just welcome economic prosperity and the removal of constraints on the success of their nation.

Ex-Chancellor Franz Von Papen believed that conservative elites could control Hitler. Instead, by 1934 Von Papen’s political career was over, as Hitler, in a whirlwind series of personnel changes, set his propaganda machine – that same machine that denounced the media as the lugenpresse, the “lying press” – to work against his erstwhile allies and, despite not having won a majority of the votes in the previous election, purged his government of the moderating voices of non-Nazis.

so let’s be very clear here...because this issue is a whole lot bigger than our disagreement, it gets to the heart of where we are today.

trump says “baltimore is rat infested.”.

when he says that, what i hear, is what he actually said, that “baltimore is rat infested.”

what YOU hear, despite what he actually said, is “Baltimore is n*gger infested.”.

I am responding to what he actually said, you are responding to something not even close to what he said. and you say I am the one
with the problem?

whew.

So when do we hold people
accountable for what they actually said, and when can we pretend that they said something completely different from what was actually said? who makes that decision, what are the ground
rules?
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but it’s only racist when orange man says it.

i should invest in tin foil
hats.
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wdmso, the left has
no interest in admitting that democrats have (1) run baltimore for 50
years, and (2) that they've done a terrible job. trump pointed out their failure, and god knows they can’t admit he’s right, so they play their go-to card, racism.
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You might want to tell these folks that.

Just what part of this are Liberal Democrats responsible for?

It's always the fault of the Liberals with you :crying:

During World War II, the steel industry underwent a production boom. Bethlehem’s mill at Sparrow Point, which built cargo and transport ships, expanded quickly to meet supply needs. The mill reached its peak employment in 1959, with 35,000 workers. Second- or third-generation steelworkers earning union wages could achieve financial independence with middle-class living standards, save for the future, and afford higher education for their children to prepare them for employment beyond the steel mill.

In short, union representation helped to transform an industry with a self-replicating workforce of unskilled workers into a means for economic and social advancement.

The latter part of the 20th Century saw a nationwide decline in the manufacturing sector, and Bethlehem Steel was no exception to this trend. In 1971, when Sparrows Point was the largest steel mill in the country, a surge in steel imports led to massive layoffs among domestic producers. Three thousand workers at Sparrow Point lost their jobs that year, followed by another 7,000 in 1975.

By the late 1980s, the workforce had dwindled to 8,000, accompanied by a decline in wages and benefits as the union conceded on many pay and benefits issues. Baltimore workers could no longer look to steel as a source of middle-class wages and job security.

The story of Bethlehem’s steel mill at Sparrows Point is a microcosm of economic changes that profoundly affected Baltimore and other “rust belt” cities across the US during this period. The manufacturing industries, having long been the economic base for employment and output for nearly a century, dwindled and disappeared.

Baltimore lost over 100,000 manufacturing jobs between 1950 and 1995, 75% of its industrial employment — not to mention most of the jobs with union representation. Currently, only 6% of all jobs in the City are in manufacturing. The collapse of industry led to a number of changes in the demographic makeup of the City and the surrounding region, contributing to a crisis in urban poverty that lingers today.

American Industry failed to change in the 60s when the rest of the world rebuilt their Industry after WW2 and suffered the loss of manufacturing jobs, this destroyed city after city including Baltimore and in Connecticut and Massachusetts, Machine tool, wire mills and others that failed to modernize their production methods and facilities.

Why post a picture of your children?

My kids are actually clean cut, productive members of society. These must be your relations, I can smell the in-breeding from here

obviously it’s not the fault of liberalism that so many manufacturing jobs were lost.

But liberalism makes those inner cities worse. Because liberalism (1) doesn’t come
close to adequately stressing the downside of single parent households. liberals thing that the concept of the nuclear family is an anachronism, and that if something feels good, you should just do it and not worry about consequences.

(2) liberalism also crippled those poor people
in inner cities by making them
addicted to welfare, robbing them if the initiative to take care of themselves.

A great liberal, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, predicted this long ago. he predicted that liberalism would
destroy the black. nuclearr family, and that would
be a holocaust for blacks. he was right.

i don’t know how, with decades of
empirical evidence, that liberals don’t see the damage they are doing. my guess is that it’s intentional, because if you create this permanent underclass, liberals
make them dependent on welfare, and therefore dependable reliable democrat voters.

that also explains why liberals oppose school choice.

i may well be wrong, but i can’t see a more logical explanation. liberal approach to poverty is to give poor people just enough to stay alive, but not nearly what they need to climb out of poverty. i’m not sure liberals want them
to climb out of poverty, because if they do, many will no longer vote democrat.
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he makes a valid point, and you smear his kids?

there’s liberalism for you. liberalism in a nutshell, not even his kids are spared when a liberal is losing an argument.

F*ck you, you sniveling snowflake coward. TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here, and you insult his kids. one of whom is an eagle scout, yeah there’s all kinds of dysfunctionality there i’m sure.

F*ck you and the stupid, deranged, hate filled, intolerant liberal horse you rode in on.

TDF kick me off the board if you need to, i could care less.
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You could have just shown me your badge!

Poor boy, you ought to realize all people have parents who love them, Jesus does also.

Even the ones who don't conform.

It's perfectly acceptable to you to insult some people because you don't like their appearance, (though I'm sure you would deflect and say he didn't really mean that) but suggest that yours might not conform and it is horrifying and a sure indicator that someone is one of the most evil things in your world.

Liberal

Would you shoot your children or yourself if those were yours?

Or just do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH25...E#action=share

Explain Child Abuse and Neglect then? No, not all parents love their kids, some shouldn't even be allowed to be parents.

No blood, no foul.

Just another manifestation of TDS.

Didn't he post something about becoming that which you hate

if trump gets re elected, it’s gonna be so sweet on this board. can one fatally overdose on schadenfreude?

big time symptoms of TDS...


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You just respond to what he actual said... how sad thats the depth of your objectivity. When it comes to Trump

To bad Trumps administration since day 1 is constantly telling us what he ment to say and to ignore what he said ..

But now its focus on what he said not what he ment .. can you make up your mind. Your abilities to only hear the word Rat clearly places you as one of the faithful.. trust me i hear more then just the n word .. look who he wants to label as a terrorist group...your fav antifa.. another bone for the base
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And if he doesn't??
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There is a Trumplican running to replace Ilhan Omar and am I impressed......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg8PYhy10yg

what!?....I thought I was?

it'll REALLY be fun :rotf3:

Don't worry, Sox have a 4 game series with the Yank-mees this weekend, calm and rational will not be part of the repertoire for the weekend :hee:

I’ll be as fine as i was during the obama years. i won’t hide for three months like spence did, i won’t make daily posts attacking whoever wins. i complained here about obama, but nothing remotely like this.
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at least he found his way back...i missed him

IF the next Potus whom ever it may be acts like our currret potus . I encourage you to complain..

Its better than bending the knee .. as if whats going on now is acceptable
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The victim even squeals when someone else gets jabbed

The original internet tough guy victim

Too funny.

So it's funny to you that Pete smeared TDFs kids, and I stuck up for them. That's funny to you?

Pete, if you think my telling you off makes me a victim, you don't know what a victim is. It takes a small, terrified, special kind of coward to bring someone else's children into a political discussion.

Paul, you know what tells me for certain, I did the right thing there? Pete didn't like what I did, neither did you, but TDF did. All I need to know.

You also said very specifically, that you didn't care what Pete did. Good for you.

I felt great when I did that, and I feel great remembering it. Exposing a bully deranged with hate, sticking up for the kids of one of the most respectable guys here? You think youre making me look bad?

You guys can't get one right by accident.

I totally forgot how thoroughly enjoyable and satisfying it felt to slap him around here. and how revealing it was when you said you didn’t care what he did.

meanwhile TDF has a daughter in school he adores and a son who’s an eagle scout, and God only knows the horror of pete’s home life that causes him to act the way he does here, so the winners and losers here are pretty clear.

Like 15 years ago one of the forum's more colorful members who no longer posts talked about boiling my children in oil. I didn't freak out but just asked John to take down the post which he somewhat reluctantly did.

That being said, kids should be left out of politics unless they're adults and willingly part of the story. I'll never forget the time Rush Limbaugh put up a photo of a 12 year old Chelsey Clinton and compared her to a dog. Republicans thought it was funny. Thank god for political correctness cause that shat wouldn't fly today.

i’m sorry someone did that to you, and i haven’t listened to 5 total minutes of rush because of stuff just like that.

Spence we don’t agree on anything, but o know you’re a good guy deep down from your posts here especially one i made in someone else thread about loss, you said something really thoughtful when i posted an experience of mine i was trying to help the guy who suffered an enormous loss, i shared a similar story and you were great about it if i remember correctly which i’m certain i do.

i think pete is a very deranged and hate filled sick coward, and i’d say the same exact thing if he brought up your kids or anyone else’s.
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I don't think Pete's life is a horror. I just can't imagine you out w/friends (although to me you seem so miserable I really doubt you have good friends). And if you tell me you have lots of friends, good for you. I could care less.

you’re right, i didn’t say anything when tdf swung back.

Because unlike you, i don’t see a moral equivalence between someone sucker punching you, and you hitting back.

continue your circle jerk with pete. the one banned from starting threads because of his dark behavior.

He’s a coward because he’s an internet bully. most men would say it’s cowardly to bring another’s kids into it. You’re ok with it, at least when he does it, most men would
say it’s cowardly.

Paul if i get banned form the political
forum for standing up to a guy who goes after kevin’s kids, and makes an issue of someone’s wife having cancer or calling out a jerk who still uses the word retard, i’ll find a way to soldier on somehow. i told
kevin at the time i was fine with it if he booted me.

Lots of good friends. Every one of them to good to use the word retard, or defend those who insult someone’s kids or defend someone who brings up the fact that someone else’s wife has cancer ( i mean that’s classy right there). that’s all fine as far as you’re concerned.

Good for you.

Why did he resurrect a two year old thread in which he behaved so pathetically?

You know what set Pete off in this thread? Pete said Trump was a racist hatemonger for criticizing the city of Baltimore. TDF posted many, many examples of powerful democrats trashing the city of Baltimore, Pete had no quarrel with those folks criticizing Baltimore, only when Trump did it. He made Pete look wrong and hypocritical. So Pete, rather than just admitting people other than Trump criticized Baltimore, he went after Kevin’s kids.

He made an idiotic argument and got exposed for it. And his reaction was to lash out at the guy who just posted truth that contradicted his post.

very mature.




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Oh yes and the other thing that I thought was funny was your insisting you won't run and hide for 3 months or make posts attacking whoever wins. How long were you hiding?
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i said i wouldn’t criticize who wins? when did i say that? i criticize whoever wins, regardless of party, when they screw up.

let’s be very very clear. my vacation from this forum had absolutely nothing to do with biden, it had 100% to do with Pete’s deeply offensive actions, and yours. I said that to you very very clearly. calling out someone’s wife is beyond what i would have thought was possible here. and the use of the word retard means you’re an uncaring jerk.

I’m fine with Biden’s win. i didn’t vote for him, but have made a ton of money investing in oil and lithium. any idiot could have seen that coming. paying for catholic school and hastening my retirement. if you’re not buying things that will do well in periods of high inflation, you’re blowing a huge opportunity.

Sense of humor? I’m writing a sitcom pilot with a brother, be happy to send it to you. I have no sense of humor about using someone’s children or ill spouse as a weapon against them, nor about making fun of people unfortunate enough to be born with special needs. you’ll say that means i’m angry. in reality, it’s because i’m a better man than you are.
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You're not a better man than anyone who posts here now, you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And you prove that every day the way you talk to everybody.
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Poor little man
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im deeply flawed, but for damned sure i’m better than anyone who thinks it’s funny to call people a retard or to try to hurt someone by bringing up a wife’s illness. i don’t go there. you and pete do. kudos.
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yet i have no trouble admitting when i’m wrong, when my side is wrong, or when the other side is right. i do all that regularly.

You are literally incapable of that. You’re too scared to do it.

So who’s little? And who’s secure?
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