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White-Nationalist Terrorism Must Be Stopped
Conservatives have not been afraid to confront extremism in our world, and we must not be afraid to confront terrorism here at home.

by George P. Bush

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...topped/595471/

i was talking about gun violence, that was crystal clear. racism was worse then, good to see a kool aid drinker admit that.
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It still exists
You don't need to read the El Paso killer’s manifesto. Just turn on Fox News.
Shortly after a gunman murdered 20 people in a Walmart in El Paso, TX, on Saturday, the hashtag “#whitesupremacistterrorism” began trending on Twitter. The “terrorism” portion of that epithet references the alleged shooter’s apparent intent of “coercing and intimidating a civilian population” with the massacre. The suspect is described as a “white supremacist” because of his ideological rationale for carrying out the act, as described in a manifesto posted to the web forum 8chan shortly before the attack.

The alleged killer wrote in the document that he wanted “to exact revenge against ‘the Hispanic invasion of Texas,’ to forestall what he called ‘cultural and ethnic replacement,’ and to ‘reclaim my country from destruction,’” echoing the perpetrators of similar mass shootings, as National Review’s editors noted in denouncing him.

Those ideas, once again drenched in blood, were at one time largely restricted to fringe forums populated by hardcore white supremacists and conspiracy theorists. But in recent years, you could have easily heard them recited while watching a random night of Fox News’ prime-time lineup.

Fox personalities have worked to mainstream the racist conspiracy theory that non-white immigrants threaten to “replace” white American populations. Hosts Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham, whose shows regularly revolve around the purported dangers immigration poses to the cultural fabric, have been particularly taken with that argument, and they are not subtle in its promotion.

“Your views on immigration will have zero impact and zero influence on a House dominated by Democrats who want to replace you, the American voters, with newly amnestied citizens and an ever increasing number of chain migrants,” Ingraham told her audience shortly before the 2018 midterms.

“It's not a conspiracy theory, it's happening in public,” Carlson has argued. “[Democrats’] political success does not depend on good policies, but on demographic replacement, and they'll do anything to make sure it happens.”

Carlson is particularly beloved by white nationalists, who believe he “is making the white nationalist talking points better than they have,” as the son of the founder of hate website Stormfront put it in March. The Fox host regularly warns of the dire consequences immigration poses to the country. He has said that immigration “is absolutely destroying America” and will “change this country completely and forever”; argued that “we’re being invaded” by migrants in a way that could trigger a national “collapse”; and claimed that “we are importing people from places whose values are simply antithetical to ours,” putting the nation’s ability to “survive” at risk.

The description of migration across the southern border as an “invasion” has become so common on Fox that it hardly warrants mention at this point. That is simply the language the network’s personalities -- even its purported “straight news” anchors -- use to describe migrants, often as Fox airs B-roll of columns of Hispanic men marching north.

Though the alleged shooter's ideas seem to echo what Fox airs every night, the language in his manifesto differs from the network's in one small way: Its references to race are explicit, while Fox’s commentators often talk around that. But this is largely a distinction between text and subtext. The invaders who Fox hosts keeps warning might destroy the country through demographic replacement are Black and brown, as both the hosts and their audience know.

The network appears deeply committed to airing talking points previously confined to the fever swamps. Their use has continued even as white supremacists enact mass murders, and Fox has defended Carlson and Ingraham from advertiser boycotts triggered by their bigoted language on immigration.

Fox’s use of this rhetoric of demographic replacement and migrant invasion has not occurred in a vacuum. It has been mirrored by Republican politicians, including President Donald Trump, who similarly deploy those racist tropes. That's no coincidence -- both Fox and the GOP depend on riling people up with racist appeals for their success. Their behavior won't change unless their incentives change.

If you think he was only defending the people who didn't want the traitor Lee statue to come down - keep believing that and keep defending him. BC I doubt there was anyone there who only thought the march was about the statue - and if there were any that naïve, then when they saw the Neo Nazis they should have left. "Jews will not replace" us should have given them a good indication it wasn't only about a statue. Trump was all over the place in that conference. He repeatedly tried to blame the "alt left" and somehow put them on equal footing w/the Neo Nazis and white supremacists.

Pete, for god’s sake, we have god knows how many millions of illegals
living here, and it's an enormous financial burden. it’s not racist or demanding blood, to point that out. not that there arent those that go too far, on all sides. hilary called tens of
millions of trump supporters deplorable and irredeemable, maxine waters said to let trump supporters know they aren’t welcome
Anywhere. funny i’ve never heard you complain about that. because your outrage is selective, which means it’s also fake.
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He put Antifa in the same category as Neo Nazis and White Supremacists - that is correct, no? They are all people that will use violence to further their means, right?

He said the peacefully protesting people for and against the removals of the statues were fine people, right?

That the Neo Nazis and White Supremacists as well as the Antifa people ARE the bad people, they came looking for a fight. As a result people got hurt and one woman was killed. He is not saying those people are "Fine People", not even close.

Why are you now worried about financial burdens, the current administration is certainly not fiscally conservative. In fact no less of a right wing mouthpiece than Rush Limbaugh said:"Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around." So apparently your outrage is fake.

And speaking of selective outrage and fakery.

It seems you are also one of the same group of people that blame the “breakdown in the American family” for the mass shootings and also support a many times divorced President who sleeps with porn stars and sexually assaults women.

How many people have Antifa killed?

And I'm not defending them but compared to Neo Nazis and White supremacist they are in a different class.

you’re beyond dishonest. i’m always concerned about impossible
financial burdens. obama
added too much debt, trump
is making the same
mistake. you’re beyond cowardly, beyond being full of sh*t, you just make up gibberish as you go.
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No, they are in the same class. They are people willing to resort to violence to move a political agenda. They are dangerous, they deserve zero glorification, and they deserve zero respect or accommodation. They are where actual violent communists and anarchists meet actual violent fascists.

we can disagree on that. Antifa is a response to the neo-nazis and white supremacists. They certainly have been charged with some illegalities but I don't think there have been any people associated with antifa charged with murder
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John your the expert when it comes to the line.. both sides do it .. you use it often

but are your suggesting Trumps racist vitriol . In no way shape or form has influenced anyone in acting violently ...?

so the line here all deny that Al Sharptons rhetoric ever inspires violence ( therefore it’s ok when everyone running for potus in the left calls sharpton a hero), but you’re convinced trump
is responsible.

i think trumps language is potentially dangerous. not to a rational person, not even to a slightly crazy person, but to the very disturbed. i think it’s equally reckless when democrats and the media say the conservatives are all nazis and racists and hate poor people and want to enslave women. you only talk about trumps vitriol, and while
he is in a class by himself in terms of frequency and severity, he’s not the only one saying disgusting things. but the liberals here dismiss all of it from the left.
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Then we disagree, significantly. A mob, alt-left or alt-right, that uses violence to achieve its means, is dangerous. But because they are merely reacting to assholios on the right, it is OK in your book?

This violence (by Both Sides) will continue to get worse until Good People (from Both Sides) recognize that it is a violent fringe that is growing where the fault lies on bad actors and crappy ideology of Both Sides.

Maybe the Antifa commies are not as competent yet: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gration-centre

Check out Antifa and Soca ili st Rif le As sociat ion on reddit, you'll find plenty of ne're do wells, incels, and Lost Boys there too. You just don't have as much an issue with their motivation.

PS - read the link on the Lost Boys - 4 years old but still seems plenty of evidence to support it (and written by one of the OG Never Trumpers) https://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09...the-lost-boys/




Ahhh, the difference in my "Both Sides" is I point out the bad and good comes from "Both Sides" whereas you draw a strong demarcation between the sides. And when you want to trash Trump you use this his "Both Sides are Good People" to sat he is providing cover from right wing extremism.

Words matter on BOTH sides, but those coming from the president always can do more harm or more good.
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How am i dishonest when I cite things you've said.

Now you've, once again, fallen back on but Obama.

Limbaugh said that and he is a right wing mouthpiece, has been for years. He ranted about fiscal conservatism when it suited his rhetoric and now claims it is bogus.

Financial burdens in your mind are only those things you and Tucker judge to be unaffordable.

Remember, the great negotiator, Trump, threw away his border wall, immigration reform and more because some on the right and particularly some of his advisors will never accept any amnesty for any illegal immigration. Politics is the art of making compromise a win, and fails if the other side consistently loses.

Just keep defending Trump as usual, using false equivalents.


The market is interesting today, Trump will deny responsibility for that also.

wrong.

you claimed that “now” i’m worried
about financial burden. either show
me where i said i wasn’t previously concerned about financial burdens, or kindly say you made it up.
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Seems like right reason wrong action vs wrong reason wrong action = not the same.

Or more simply, Antifa is going to tap into a small fragment of the population who think they want to be dogooders and get a rise out of it. The white nationalist thing is pulling on the ugly roots of our broader society and is much, much more serious.

Some in the GOP have called for Antifa to be labeled a terror group. To terrorize the American people to not be Fascists? Do the math.

that’s all antifa does, speak out against fascism? tell that to
this guy, beaten by antifa not because he supports fascism, but because he tried to stop antifa from beating a transgender. only the left would say “we’re opposed to fascism, now do as we say or we’ll beat you to a pulp.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...a-attack-port/

“do the math”.

here’s some math.

80 > your IQ.
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Ignorance on display
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This is the Robin Hood syndrome for snowflakes apparently.
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So when Antifa kills someone, because people thinking like you think there is some nobility in their actions, that will be OK ?


Antifa = DoGooders? Am I getting this right?



I am Gobsmacked, that you think there is some honorable ground here.


Antifa = Terrorist Group
Neo Nazis = Terrorist Group
White Supremacists = Terrorist Group

Once they get violent and exceed any Constitutionally granted protection, they should go to jail. You'd probably let them out, and at least vote while in the klink.

Homework up Jim. The guy you posted was there for action.

As for my IQ, it's probably closer to 60 :humpty:

funny coming from the person who knows nothing and says nothing other than childish insults. As I said I'd be embarrassed to post like you do.
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Dayton shooter with the rounds he had if not for the police that close would have likely killed far more than the Texas shooter, yet Moscow Mitch is sitting on legislation that certainly doesn’t address everything wrong, but does beaf up background checks.
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Right, what did he do, kill 9 and wound 20+ in 30 goddamn #^&#^&#^&#^&ing seconds....
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Ive got a photo same guy nose to nose with antifa protester.. hes no innocent
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So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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And clearly none of this ever happened before Trump.

Both sides do it. Some is intentional, some is not. Most assisted by various echo chambers. When those echo chambers fuel lost boys (Adam Lanza, Dylan Roof, Nikolas Cruz) that have serious mental issues, who's fault is it?

Would Joe Biden be at fault if someone took a shot at Mitt Romney when he said Mitt was gonna put y'all back in chains? Was Bernie at fault when whatshisface shot up the Congressional Baseball Practice?

Did Trump incite the violence when Micah Johnson shot 5 Dallas Cops at the height of BLM? Lee Boyd Malvo? Tim McVeigh? The Facebook Girl? Omar Mateen? All the instances that happened before 2017 were Trump's fault too? Or is there something else at play? Tell me how this problem started in January 2017 - I'm waiting.

Does it only matter to you when it's Trump's fault?

Most of these instances are kids with serious issues. Not white supremacists going out killing people but these people with serious issues being attracted to them. When these kids start gravitating to Antifa and Hard Core Anarchists, will Spence give them a pass because they are just reacting to this that or the other?

right he had it coming. antifa doesn’t engage in unprovoked
violence.
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Keep believing

After he screwed up reading the teleprompter & said “Toledo” when it said “Texas & Ohio” and had his tongue coming out again which is a classic dementia symptom, I once again remind everyone this is a man with conspicuous mental deterioration & numerous obvious signs of dementia.
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Keep dancing around the main issue, there are a lot of f*ckec up white supremacy nuts, neo nazi, or just some young adult the was bullied at home or school, with so much social media influence and so many weapons of mass destruction.
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Your stuff is getting extremely, even psychotically, hilarious.

What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

Now you know how god must feel,think of the crimes committed in his name.

What a great president.
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Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful. BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO. You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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I'm willing to talk meaningful changes, let's talk about someone with a screw loose being able to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Versus, why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

Well, wouldn't that be the proper discussion in another thread? You didn't start this thread about gun control. Your title suggested it was about someone listening to and being motivated by Trump's words.

But if you want to change the subject, JohnR said he is willing to go at it with you. I would be interested in hearing that discussion.

Trump started the day he came down the escalator and demonized Mexicans.
He consistently labels groups as evil in his political speech and spreads lies.
The immigration lottery system is done by us not foreign governments choosing whom to send. Watch his rallies and think.
All his life he has been a con man, that’s as close to conservative as he’ll ever get.
Just look at his cabinet with all the “best” people, the best people want nothing to do with him.
Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kudlow, Devos, Mullaney, Hicks, Craft, Carson, Ross comprise his ship of fools with Ivanka as mascot.
We are heading into a storm of trump’s own making now with the world economy and no capable leader is to be seen.
Putin is grinning.
Don’t worry though, Trump has no deals in Russia.
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