This is the hard part that needs to be figured out.

Passing the background check is hard for many. You cannot pass a background check if you have felonies, have certain mental health you cannot legally purchase a firearm if you do drugs - even smoke pot (sorry E), have a problem with Alcohol. You cannot purchase a firearm (legally) if you are using anti-depressants or suicidal.

I know people that have mental health issues that should not be anywhere near a firearm, and others that would be fine. A hard part is going to be where you draw the line.

Another hard part is that some people doing the evaluation may allow their bias in, over evaluating someone as a danger or under evaluating (likely less common).

Anything that needs to be done needs to have certain sunset rights where renewal is required.

Red Flag laws have a problem in some locations that local Police do not want to be responsible for cataloging, and storing someone's firearms for an undetermined time while due process is happening. And Due Process MUST happen if you are curtailing Constitutional somneone's rights.

Wayne. Dem politicians have been hinting at it, the left's and anti-2A groups are doing everything they can to erode those rights. Candidates at local and federal level state they want to confiscate, cough mandatory but back, cough. And you keep stating this over and over.

The 2A and 1A both have limits and they should have the least limit we as a people can get away with. The slippery slope happens when people get to pick and chose what is in limits and what is out of limits. When Phil McBeuaracrat has the power and decides he does not like Wayne's Speech and chooses to limit or silence your speech - that is a problem.

Every state requires a NICS check. Period. This is federal law.

has this loophole been closed in the federal Law .. if not its only in 21 states

Federal law requires background checks for commercial gun sales, but not for private-party sales


Sale Exemption
unlicensed, private sellers are not required to conduct background checks. This means that, unless state law requires a background check for these sales, convicted felons, domestic abusers, and other ineligible people can legally buy guns—even though they would fail a background check if purchasing from an FFL. Fortunately, 21 states have closed the federal loophole

it is a legal judgment against them for something they did...it's "after the fact"...if someone has a restraining order against them because they threatened or injured someone they should not be playing with guns


stop trying to twist things to make your argument

which is why we need more than...ban AK style stuff, big magazines and people with mental illness(which is probably 90% of the population on some level)

you can get a restraining order, at least in CT, against someone who hasn’t done anything yet ( certainly nothing illegal) but who is deemed to be likely to do something in the future. mental
illness can be a big reason.

if you say you’re ok with keeping guns away from
the seriously mentally ill ( which means not only denying them guns, but possibly others in the same house), maybe were not that far off.

i’m not even saying let’s do it, but we can have the conversation about the benefits and costs.
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the argument that mental health is the root cause of mass shootings — doesn’t appear to be borne out by studies,
https://www.economist.com/lexingtons...ther-than-guns

why the NRA keeps talking about mental illness, rather than guns
Explaining away exceptional horrors like the Newtown school massacre

this is from Mar 13th 2013 and they are beating the same drum today ??

good greif

Nobody limits you to how many golf clubs you can own, yet they are also used to kill as well, not just hit a white ball. I use tools every day. I can choose to own what I want. Don't blame the tool or dictate what tool people in a free country can choose to own.

slipknot, i’m a pretty conservative republican.

i believe that nothing will
eliminate violence, because the underlying problem is us. you’re right, the gun is an inanimate object. but are you telling me that if Adam Lanza went to Sandy Hook elementary school with a golf
club,,he would have killed as many kids as he did? Come on.

i find it difficult to discuss economic issues rationally with liberals, they have a hard time being rational. conservatives, in my opinion, can be equally irrational on this issue.

if i say “maybe high capacity magazines should be banned”, it’s not a valid argument to say that such a ban wouldn’t have stopped Timothy McVeigh. No one is saying gun control will reduce gun violence to zero. But maybe there are things that can help reduce the body count, and maybe we can do it without trampling on the constitution.
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of course not Jim, don't be silly, leave that to the sheep.


ya maybe, that is a big maybe as far as not trampling. The constitution has been trampled almost to death

Big difference in head count based on the weapon used, your kidding yourself if you don’t believe that is true. Give the Vegas shooter 6 hunting rifles with 6 round clips and 25 times to rack up the same head count and he won’t get there once. TOOLS do influence the head count.
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as far as red flag laws

it is a serious issue and they are subject to abuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ap...0kWijzbZVy%3A6

i hear you, it’s a very big maybe as far as reducing freedoms. i agree 100%. but dont we have to try something? we cant legislate behavior.
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I don't see anything in that article which indicates the ar-15 had any benefit over a handgun in the situation. I'd think in a cramped space you'd be better off with a handgun anyway.

And in a bit of irony the men were robbing his house because THEY KNEW HE HAD A LOT OF GUNS.

Of Course Lanza, Roof, Johnson, Mateen, and the like had mental issues.

We don't need to stigmatize people that suffer from mental health problems, but we don';t need them to have access to firearms either.

Fix existing background checks so states can't block informatrion that would be entered into NICS.

My biggest issues on Red Flag and what make walk away from compromise here is that I believe it will just be a stepping stone for the Anti2A folks - you know, the ones that don't want to take your guns but want to ban them, tax them higher, ban ammunition, do this and do that, and then confiscate them (Wayne says they don't, BS).

If a Red Flag was passed, based on how previous big legislation is all screwed up, what loopholes will there be to classify large swaths of people as mentally ill (he voted for Trump, must be unwell, she listens to rap, must be unwell, Timmy thinks there should be less government, he must be unwell).

There needs to be clearly defined rules about how due process is handled, sunsets, unbiased arbitration between parties.

Not many handguns have a capacity of 30 or 40 when time is the essence. You may not have seen anything in the article but facts are facts.

All the more reason to be vigilant and able to defend yourself when there are criminals bold enough to try to rob you, not ironic at all. So now you understand why those NY permit holders whose names were made public in an article years ago were upset. A little common sense goes a long way
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So mental issues are not the root cause of mass shootings? I can not buy that can you, really? Do reasonably level headed individuals initiate these horrific acts of violence? I think not. Every one of them has a mental health issue to do those deeds.

I'd be curious to know the frequency of guns used for home self defense with shots actually fired. It's got to be very low. I can't imagine even in the cases where it happens it's a protracted fight unless something else is going on, drug house, gang violence etc...

If I wanted to defend myself in a home I'd want a pump shotgun or maybe a revolver that has little chance of malfunctioning.

I don't have any issue with gun ownership to protect the home, but there's no valid argument that an AR is necessary.

It happens many times per year. While you cannot imagine it people, by them selves, have used their semi to fend off multiple people with hand guns. Sure, an MP5 would be better for home defense than an AR15, but those are illegal and highly hard to get the few places they are legal.

Then there are situations where the home owner was killed, maybe they would not have been had they been better armed.

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-conte...-deaths630.png
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that last word is where you fail to understand.
A cannon would do also but doesn't make much sense.
Determined thieves are sometimes hard to chase away or kill with 6 shots when you are outnumbered.

It's a God given right, not a question of necessary

Guns are not a god given right but certainly we are entitled under our constitution.
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No doubt that mental illness deserves a seat at the table for the background check discussion. The big question is who will be the ultimate gatekeeper on an individual basis? LEOs? Pols? Mental health providers?

Are we going to be made to get a mental health evaluation every couple years and pay another $250 to $500 like the medical marijuana card holders do for their continuing need evaluation? Another cash grab?

I do think video games skew many young people and their perception of gun reality..... Have thought so for years after watching over my son's shoulder. How many of you have seen Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto?

The NRA very effectively spread the notion that any gun legislation was the first step towards the government taking your guns, to the point the government isn’t even allowing funding to study gun violence. Auto fatality rates used to be very high, study, engineering and legislation, has brought that rate dramatically down. Car manufacturers were forced to add seat belts, then air bags, road designs were less banked and laws to license and penalties for operating under the influence and now texting were added.

Lobbyists like the NRA shouldn’t be allowed to buy our policies and if over 250 massshootings only 7 months into a year isn’t a “red flag” then what is. I believe the military and our police forces are where assault rifles belong, the argument you need that for home protection is nuts, you are far more likely to chock to death while eating at Chick Fillet.
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weird isn't it? in so many movies/video games you watch action heroes strap all sorts of guns to themselves and walk through the doors someplace and start mowing people down....and then some deranged kid acts out the same sort of action scene in real life...and then hollywood actors decry the violence and demand something be done about guns

Agreed.


"The NRA very effectively spread the notion that any gun legislation was the first step towards the government taking your guns"


It is.


"Lobbyists like the NRA shouldn’t be allowed to buy our policies and if over 250 massshootings only 7 months into a year isn’t a “red flag” then what is. I believe the military and our police forces are where assault rifles belong"


And in how many of these were AR/AK's used? Take the ghetto/hood #'s out of that "over 250 massshootings in only 7mo" I doubt many used them. They love them their 9's.

NRA is doing a marginal job of protecting my rights (and yours whether or not you chose to exercise them) from the people that have exactly said that we will - if given a chance - confiscate your guns.

Gun rates are down from years ago. Suicides are down a little, overall gun violence is down. Like Auto deaths. Gang crime (large number) and mass shootings (statistically a small number) are up, like distracted driving and texting deaths.

Cannons are hard to maneuver and do a number on wood floors.

If having an assault weapon is a god given right why stop there? More firepower the better.

Not many cannon in the neighborhood to worry about, there are people with illegal guns, however. It is necessary to have something approaching necessary levels of home defense that might be brought against you and yours.

The right is for self defense with something you feel reasonable and legal, not what someone - you for example - to decide what is acceptable.

So the problem is a small number of bad individuals per year doing horrific things. Yet you and others like you in gun control, want to blame everyone except the bad individual doing bad things.

But the people make the laws. Seems like the majority of the country wants stronger gun laws including an assault weapons ban. Doesn't mean it's easy to implement but that's not an excuse for inaction. Probably would open things up for the broader discussion around gun violence, suicide etc... that the status quo is suppressing.

I agree:nailem:

:hihi:.....it appears?

Not true.....:angel:

Colors!
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I get it honestly.... Here is my Dad back in the day.....

Great family piece.
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No, I don't have his loafers..... I assume that is what you meant? LOL, Jeff

These were fourth of July Shoots we would go to back in the 60's. Black powder. Sometimes get 20-25 of these together and fire at the same time. Crazy. My father had a cast one, then he had to get a brass turned. An engineer friend in town would produce a couple more every year. My sister hated it. Food, beer, kids and cannons! What could be better for these WW2 guys and gals? Good memories.

My brother has the 30" black cast cannon. I have the smaller 12ga.

The striped socks make the loafers...
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*MOST* Cannon are not available as village level assets ; )