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PaulS 09-17-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1174307)
that's petty snarky...:heybaby:

just saying...if you italicize a word for emphasis...you should probably try to spell it correctly or use the right word if you want people to take you seriously...I'm providing a public service..it's free...I thought you guys liked free services?

I did it (and have in the past) so when the petty people here point it out I can show them it was done just so they can show how miserable they are.

What free services do us guys like and who is us guys?

wdmso 09-17-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174269)
and if my aunt had wheels, she’d be a tea cart. the gop doesn’t resort to these smear tactics with democratic scotus nominees. kagan and sotomayor got confirmed, each got plenty of gop votes.
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no they lie cheat suppress votes stonewall congress refuse to bring anything to the senate to debate unless they already know trump will pass it... Jim your funny on how ethical you think your side is :kewl:

Jim in CT 09-17-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1174300)
People are saying she (and he) were wasted.

who?

also, the NYT piece says that all the kids were at a naked party, and that someone else thrust kavanaugh’s penis into her hand.

If that happened, how is that kavanaughs fault? seems like
he’s a victim too.

i could be wrong, but i’m 95% certain that’s what it said, someone else thrust it into her hand.
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PaulS 09-17-2019 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174311)
who?

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the person who claimed he saw it. Something like Steir. He is now a DC lawyer I believe

Jim in CT 09-17-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1174312)
the person who claimed he saw it. Something like Steir. He is now a DC lawyer I believe

and who is he exactly? you left out one additional thing we know
about him. Right?

and if the “it” he saw ( and this is an ‘if’), is that someone else thrust kavanaughs penis toward this girl, then kavanaugh is also a victim. right?

these yalies have nothing better to do, than set up nudist colonies on campus?
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Pete F. 09-17-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174311)
who?

also, the NYT piece says that all the kids were at a naked party, and that someone else thrust kavanaugh’s penis into her hand.

If that happened, how is that kavanaughs fault? seems like
he’s a victim too.

i could be wrong, but i’m 95% certain that’s what it said, someone else thrust it into her hand.
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Just how would that work?
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis? :gf:
Must be a Trumplican thing.

Jim in CT 09-17-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174314)
Just how would that work?
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis? :gf:
Must be a Trumplican thing.

they could have pushed him from behind, or grabbed it and pulled it forward, Columbo. nothing can be moved from where it currently is, u less it’s detachable?
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174314)
Just how would that work?
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis? :gf:
Must be a Trumplican thing.

i just read the NYT report, the accuser says that friends pushed kavanaughs penis into her hand. so if this happened, he's a victim too.

make that wrong.
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1174301)
And yet the Republican's elected a predator Pres. and he has 90% approval rating who admitted to sexual assault. What # of Alabamians voted for a child molester?

Why didn't all the Repubs. vote for Bork? Thomas had credible allegations of assault against him but the Repubs didn't care -(can you see a pattern here).

Get over your hate.

how come it’s only hateful when i post, not you?

funny how his credible accuser chose to follow him from job to job.
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nightfighter 09-17-2019 04:54 PM

Everyone in Washington is scum. And it is a result of where they have chosen to spend their professional lives in their working lives, making decisions related to their career advancement, NOT the result of how they spent their social time at college.… I am not about to condone rape, assault, or other morally wrong predation, but... it is the onus of a victim to come forward and state an 'attack' took place, is it not? Given the widespread coverage of the MeToo movement, one would have to think that any woman (or man) who had long ago been the victim of such an attack, that they would have used that platform to come forward...
I was in a large, rowdy, jock fraternity at UMass in the late 70s. Hell, I ended up president of the thing.... So I saw plenty of chit. And dealt with the PD when necessary... The MeToo movement had me racking my memory bank, believe me. Drinking blurs the lines. But heavy alcohol consumption was the norm of the time. This was discussed at a recent funeral of a fraternity brother that was heavily attended by my house and the widow's sorority sisters. We partied and played HARD... But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

detbuch 09-17-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174317)
how come it’s only hateful when i post, not you?

funny how his credible accuser chose to follow him from job to job.
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I didn't see any hate in what you said. He just likes to throw that word around, whether it applies or not. Like the left throws the word "racism" around, usually when it doesn't apply. "Hate" and "racism" are some of the most devastating things you can be accused of. That's why they do it. And it is a despicable thing to do.

PaulS 09-17-2019 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174317)
how come it’s only hateful when i post, not you?

funny how his credible accuser chose to follow him from job to job.
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I only respond to your hateful posts as I think it's despicable
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detbuch 09-17-2019 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1174320)
Everyone in Washington is scum. And it is a result of where they have chosen to spend their professional lives in their working lives, making decisions related to their career advancement, NOT the result of how they spent their social time at college.… I am not about to condone rape, assault, or other morally wrong predation, but... it is the onus of a victim to come forward and state an 'attack' took place, is it not? Given the widespread coverage of the MeToo movement, one would have to think that any woman (or man) who had long ago been the victim of such an attack, that they would have used that platform to come forward...
I was in a large, rowdy, jock fraternity at UMass in the late 70s. Hell, I ended up president of the thing.... So I saw plenty of chit. And dealt with the PD when necessary... The MeToo movement had me racking my memory bank, believe me. Drinking blurs the lines. But heavy alcohol consumption was the norm of the time. This was discussed at a recent funeral of a fraternity brother that was heavily attended by my house and the widow's sorority sisters. We partied and played HARD... But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

Very well said.

PaulS 09-17-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174316)
i just read the NYT report, the accuser says that friends pushed kavanaughs penis into her hand. so if this happened, he's a victim too.

make that wrong.
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Then let's have an honest thorough investigation and what evidence shows comes out. Make that wrong.
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spence 09-17-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1174320)
But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

I would generally agree. That being said if Kavanaugh responded that way he might have gotten a pass, instead he denied most of everything and made up stories to cover his college days that he documented.

What's even crazier is that he blamed the entire think on a Clinton conspiracy when he was a participant in the Clinton conspiracy era of the 1990s.

I don't want to hang anyone for behavior in college if it's not provable but his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

detbuch 09-17-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1174322)
I only respond to your hateful posts as I think it's despicable
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Yes, I agree that loosely and incorrectly responding with accusations of "hate" is despicable.

Got Stripers 09-17-2019 05:34 PM

No offense Ross and having been a U-Mass Amherst SAE fraternity member in the 70’s, I hear you. However I was also married to a women who was so emotionally f’ed up by a similar sexual predator in her high school senior year, nobody in her family, police or even myself learned about it until I was married for ten years. Sh*t like that will to some make those memories get buried as that is how they need to deal. The witnesses are IMHO far more important as they were not emotionally impaired by the incident and all should have been interviewed, this is a LIFE long appointment not a two or four year term.
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Nebe 09-17-2019 05:36 PM

The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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PaulS 09-17-2019 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174326)
Yes, I agree that loosely and incorrectly responding with accusations of "hate" is despicable.

Good one
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detbuch 09-17-2019 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1174325)
I would generally agree. That being said if Kavanaugh responded that way he might have gotten a pass, instead he denied most of everything and made up stories to cover his college days that he documented.

Did he document the sexual assault he was accused of?

I don't want to hang anyone for behavior in college if it's not provable but his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

That's debatable. It seems that you do want to hang him. Maybe you believe a subpar performance (I thought he performed well) merits hanging.

detbuch 09-17-2019 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1174328)
The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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Actually, he is a disappointment to constitutional "conservatives." He is proving to be more of a "centrist" than a textualist.

Just curious, which SCOTUS Judges do you consider politically neutral?

Sea Dangles 09-17-2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1174328)
The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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He has already demonstrated otherwise.
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174321)
I didn't see any hate in what you said. He just likes to throw that word around, whether it applies or not. Like the left throws the word "racism" around, usually when it doesn't apply. "Hate" and "racism" are some of the most devastating things you can be accused of. That's why they do it. And it is a despicable thing to do.

i know. the liberal myth of the angry white male. in their minds, it’s not possible to have a principled disagreement with them. it must be based on some kind of character flaw.
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PaulS 09-17-2019 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174333)
i know. the liberal myth of the angry white male. in their minds, it’s not possible to have a principled disagreement with them. it must be based on some kind of character flaw.
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How is it a liberal myth when you constantly claim all liberals do this and all liberals do that? So you can't have a disagreement without insulting everybody who has the opposing viewpoint. look at Post 31. That is typical of your posting Style
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1174324)
Then let's have an honest thorough investigation and what evidence shows comes out. Make thate wrong.
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investigate what? a 25 year old
party where most of the kids were drunk, where the victim is t saying anything happened, and where one accuser who just happems
to be well connected to the Clintons, says Kavanaugh was pushed. no one is saying kavanaugh did anything.

and the democrats running for president aren’t asking for an investigation. they’re saying kavanaugh should be impeached. you’d think a prosecutor and a harvard law professor would have a cursory understanding of
jurisprudence. Nope.
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1174327)
No offense Ross and having been a U-Mass Amherst SAE fraternity member in the 70’s, I hear you. However I was also married to a women who was so emotionally f’ed up by a similar sexual predator in her high school senior year, nobody in her family, police or even myself learned about it until I was married for ten years. Sh*t like that will to some make those memories get buried as that is how they need to deal. The witnesses are IMHO far more important as they were not emotionally impaired by the incident and all should have been interviewed, this is a LIFE long appointment not a two or four year term.
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how traumatized can one be, if one chooses to go to a naked party with drunk college kids, and someone’s private’s touch your hand. i’m sorry, thus isnt from the screenplay of The Accused. how many times
did you go to an alcohol fueled party in college and not have physical contact with anyone there. she’s lucky she didn’t get gang raped putting herself in that idiotic situation. there might have been a Kennedy there, in which case she’d be swimming with the fishes.
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1174328)
Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white.
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that is a spectacular argument in favor of judges that only conservatives appoint. put personal politics aside
and do what the constitution says, whether you happen to like it or
not.

using your litmus rest, sotomayor could never have gotten confirmed, she was routinely overturned
by higher judges.
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174331)
Actually, he is a disappointment to constitutional "conservatives." He is proving to be more of a "centrist" than a textualist.

Just curious, which SCOTUS Judges do you consider politically neutral?

ginsberg
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Nebe 09-17-2019 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174338)
ginsberg
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Yeah right.
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Jim in CT 09-17-2019 07:17 PM

also
worth noting that the “credible witness” to this event, also isnt speaking, and didn’t talk to the NYT. they spoke to friends of his, who claim he told them that he witnessed this.

so it’s a second hand account, that at a drunken
naked party 25 years ago, that someone pushed kavanaughs private’s into a woman’s hand, and the woman won’t corroborate.

this is an absolute joke.
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scottw 09-18-2019 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174314)

Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis?

maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBPgJQhQHc

scottw 09-18-2019 05:13 AM

those dirty, dirty democrats will stop at nothing...


Jan Crawford‏
Verified account
@JanCBS

We report tonight the real bombshell: Christine Ford’s close HS friend (who Ford says was at the party when Kavanaugh allegedly assaulted her) said Ford’s story is not believable and told the FBI Ford’s allies pressured her, threatened her with a smear campaign to say otherwise.

Keyser told the writers, “I was told behind the scenes that certain things could spread about me if I didn’t comply,”

Not only did Christine Blasey Ford’s key witness and friend — Leland Keyser — state that she didn’t recall the party where Ford claimed she was assaulted, she also says she doesn’t remember “any others like it.”

“I just really didn’t have confidence in the story.”

scottw 09-18-2019 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1174325)

his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

I'm glad he defended himself and stood up to the dirty democrats who were trying desperately to destroy him in the most despicable ways imaginable.....

Jim in CT 09-18-2019 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1174346)
those dirty, dirty democrats will stop at nothing...


Jan Crawford‏
Verified account
@JanCBS

We report tonight the real bombshell: Christine Ford’s close HS friend (who Ford says was at the party when Kavanaugh allegedly assaulted her) said Ford’s story is not believable and told the FBI Ford’s allies pressured her, threatened her with a smear campaign to say otherwise.

Keyser told the writers, “I was told behind the scenes that certain things could spread about me if I didn’t comply,”

Not only did Christine Blasey Ford’s key witness and friend — Leland Keyser — state that she didn’t recall the party where Ford claimed she was assaulted, she also says she doesn’t remember “any others like it.”

“I just really didn’t have confidence in the story.”

keyser shared texts with the fbi, from kavanaugh opponents who threatened to smear the single mom, claiming she was a druggie, if she didn’t back the allegations against kavanaugh.

this is part tds, part warning to any other conservative judges out there to think twice about trying for the supreme court, because they’ll
never stop trying to sink their teeth into you.

funny thing, is kavanaugh has shown to be less
conservative than many would like.
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Pete F. 09-18-2019 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174348)
keyser shared texts with the fbi, from kavanaugh opponents who threatened to smear the single mom, claiming she was a druggie, if she didn’t back the allegations against kavanaugh.

this is part tds, part warning to any other conservative judges out there to think twice about trying for the supreme court, because they’ll
never stop trying to sink their teeth into you.

funny thing, is kavanaugh has shown to be less
conservative than many would like.
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And whose supporters issued death threats to Ford, that she shared with the FBI?
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detbuch 09-18-2019 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174358)
And whose supporters issued death threats to Ford, that she shared with the FBI?
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Is this supposed to nullify what Keyser said?

Jim in CT 09-18-2019 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174358)
And whose supporters issued death threats to Ford, that she shared with the FBI?
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you got me. because right up until
this moment, i had always said that all republicans are wonderful
people. i never said otherwise. nope.

Paul, our politics has gotten much uglier since the left turned on Bush. It got worse with Obama, and much worse with Trump, we’ve never seen anything like this.
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Jim in CT 09-18-2019 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174360)
Is this supposed to nullify what Keyser said?

no, it’s whataboutism. which for reasons i don’t get, is valid when liberals do it, but not when conservatives do it.
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Jim in CT 09-18-2019 09:18 AM

The latest kavanaugh claims are a joke, and the NYT made fools of themselves for editing the story the way they did. journalism doesn’t get much more yellow than that.
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Pete F. 09-18-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174360)
Is this supposed to nullify what Keyser said?

No, but the converse does not make Keyser's memory or lack thereof true or false.

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174292)
Did Kavanaugh repeatedly lie to Congress is the question?

The Supreme Court nominee has been adamant that while he enjoys beer and perhaps at time drank “too many,” it was never to the point of passing out, blacking out, or even causing slight lapses in memory.

He grew “belligerent and aggressive” as a drunk, according to Chad Ludington, one of Kavanaugh’s former classmates.

Liz Swisher, another former Yale classmate “There’s no problem with drinking beer in college. The problem is lying about it.”

In 2004, Kavanaugh said he did not “personally” handle the nomination of Judge William Pryor, who currently sits on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (which covers Alabama, Georgia, and Florida).

Kavanaugh, who worked in Bush’s White House counsel office in the early 2000s, distanced himself from Pryor’s nomination in 2004, saying during his own confirmation hearing, “No, I was not involved in handling his nomination.”

Between 2002 and 2003, Kavanaugh is included in several emails referencing the Pryor nomination. In one exchange between Kavanaugh and White House aide Kyle Sampson, Kavanaugh is asked: “How did the Pryor interview go?” He responded, “Call me.” In another email chain, Kavanaugh is included in a conversation about a conference call to “coordinate plans and efforts” around Pryor.

There’s also the case of the improperly obtained Democratic files, detailing strategies for opposing Bush’s judicial nominees in the 2000s, which a Republican Senate aide circulated with White House staff.

In 2004, Kavanaugh claimed that he had never seen “any documents that appeared ... to have been drafted or prepared by Democratic staff members of the Senate Judiciary Committee.” But an email between the Republican staffer and Kavanaugh showed him receiving some of the documents.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) asked Kavanaugh directly: “Are Ramirez’s allegations about you true?”

Kavanaugh responded with a little slithery lawyer speak, “None of the witnesses in the room support that. If that had happened, that would have been the talk of campus in our freshman dorm.” And apparently interviewing his dorm-mates is not worth doing.



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