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detbuch 09-26-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174956)
And if you are watching Maguire's testimony, the security agent behind Maguire comes from the CIA’s protection division.

Fun fact: They have unique, limited federal authority—cannot arrest you, but can kill you.

Isn't Maguire the guy you falsely said threatened to quit? After he gets slandered by you and Schiff and the Dems, he may well need protection.

scottw 09-26-2019 10:51 AM

Biden Inc...


Presidential candidate Joe Biden’s brother used the former vice president’s cancer initiative to drum up investment in his business, Politico reported Thursday.

In November 2018, James Biden told executives at Florida-based company Integrate Oral Care that the Biden Cancer Initiative would promote an oral rinse used by cancer patients and produced by Integrate, according to Michael Frey, the CEO of Diverse Medical Management, a health care firm that is currently suing James Biden.

Frey said that James Biden “said his brother would be very excited about this product.”

David Fuscus, a spokesman for James Biden, denied Frey’s allegations. “These charges stem from a frivolous lawsuit and are pure fantasy,” said Fuscus, continuing, “We are not surprised that such baseless accusations have emerged during the Democratic primaries.”

This is not the first accusation that members of Joe Biden’s family have been accused of using their connections to the former vice president to promote their business interests.

In August 2019 it was reported that both Diverse Medical Management and Azzam Medical Services had sued James Biden, alleging the former vice president’s younger brother had offered to partner with them in a scheme designed to steal the companies’ business models and intellectual property.

detbuch 09-26-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1174899)
It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

Jim in CT 09-26-2019 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174975)
So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.

when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174975)
So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174977)
exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.

when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174979)
Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

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but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.

just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...

is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?

hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174981)
but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.

just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...

is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?

hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:24 AM

Did you read the whistleblowers report?
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:25 AM

DNI just said that the most urgent threat America faces is not a military strike from a foreign nation but an attempt to undermine the integrity of our election system. Let that sink in.
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detbuch 09-26-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174979)
Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.

As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.

Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174986)
I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.

As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.

This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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detbuch 09-26-2019 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174985)
DNI just said that the most urgent threat America faces is not a military strike from a foreign nation but an attempt to undermine the integrity of our election system. Let that sink in.
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Yes, let that sink in. The fake Russia collusion fiasco was a prime example of attempting to undermine that integrity. It appears, as well, that this whistleblower thing is another attempt. As well was Biden's corrupt extortion of Ukraine a collateral besmirch and belittling of our election system.

As well, all the piling on mischaracterization of Trump being a Nazi, misogynist, racist, homophobe, genderphobe, blah--blah, is a huge attempt to undermine the integrity of our election system.

detbuch 09-26-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174987)
This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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What was my spin, exactly? And your spin in this post is blatant.

spence 09-26-2019 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174958)
not when you refuse to look at it.
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Can't look at what's not there. Trump and Rudy spouting conspiracy theories isn't evidence.

detbuch 09-26-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174983)
Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over

This is gibberish. Your constant spinning has made you dizzy.

scottw 09-26-2019 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174987)

Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history:


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this is the biggest scandal in Presidential history

Pete F. 09-26-2019 12:58 PM

Trump tweeted today

A whistleblower with second hand information? Another Fake News Story! See what was said on the very nice, no pressure, call. Another Witch Hunt!

Odd that the whistleblower got the details close without seeing the memo, it would be close to impossible to make them up months ago and have them match a document released today and be FAKE
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174980)
So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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if biden didn’t want the attention, he could have easily avoided what is at a minimum, a glaring appearance of
impropriety.

again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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spence 09-26-2019 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175006)
again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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Jim, it was because Ukraine wasn't cooperating with the Mueller investigation, it was about Manafort not Trump and it was made right out in public.

You're having that fruit problem again.

spence 09-26-2019 01:29 PM

These are the kind of mistakes you make when your world is starting to implode.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/86764...s-nancy-pelosi

:jester:

Pete F. 09-26-2019 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175006)
if biden didn’t want the attention, he could have easily avoided what is at a minimum, a glaring appearance of
impropriety.

again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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You’re speaking I assume of the letter filed in the Senate record to Ukraine.
Who’s hiding anything there?
What personal gains do the Senators achieve?
I attached the letter, perhaps you could point out where they asked for Trump to be investigated.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 01:48 PM

Here's Trump roping Mike Pence into the Ukraine scandal: "I think you should ask for VP Pence's conversation, b/c he had a couple of conversations also. I could save you a lot of time -- they're all perfect." 👀

When Trump goes down and takes everyone in his cabinet with him, we might get our first female President

Nancy Pelosi


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Nebe 09-26-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175009)
These are the kind of mistakes you make when your world is starting to implode.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/86764...s-nancy-pelosi

:jester:

Unless the whistle blower wants to see mike pence president. Maybe that whistle blower is mike pence.
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175007)
Jim, it was because Ukraine wasn't cooperating with the Mueller investigation, it was about Manafort not Trump and it was made right out in public.

You're having that fruit problem again.

oh. so if our government concludes ukraine isn’t doing its part ( which is subjective, obviously), it’s ok to pressure them
to investigate political
adversaries.

how do you know that’s not what trump did.

the fruit here, is the bananas where your brain is supposed to be.
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175013)
Here's Trump roping Mike Pence into the Ukraine scandal: "I think you should ask for VP Pence's conversation, b/c he had a couple of conversations also. I could save you a lot of time -- they're all perfect." 👀

When Trump goes down and takes everyone in his cabinet with him, we might get our first female President

Nancy Pelosi


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trump is going down? two thirds of the senate is going to vote to remove him? that’s what you’re saying?
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spence 09-26-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175018)
oh. so if our government concludes ukraine isn’t doing its part ( which is subjective, obviously), it’s ok to pressure them
to investigate political
adversaries.

Manafort was the subject of a criminal FBI investigation. You do know he's in Jail right now right?

Jim in CT 09-26-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175023)
Manafort was the subject of a criminal FBI investigation. You do know he's in Jail right now right?

i do!

and when obama was caught on a live mic asking a russian official to hold off missile programs
until after his re election, at which time he’d “have more flexibility” to work with them...that wasn’t a president asking russia for a favor for political gain?
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spence 09-26-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175028)
i do!

and when obama was caught on a live mic asking a russian official to hold off missile programs
until after his re election, at which time he’d “have more flexibility” to work with them...that wasn’t a president asking russia for a favor for political gain?
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I don't see how that benefited him politically. He's simply saying it will be easier to come to an agreement that's beneficial to our country.

Sea Dangles 09-26-2019 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1174943)
Hearing exurbs from the whistle blower complaint is really damning, you better circle those red wagons closer, this is going to be fun watching Trump and Rudy implode. I have no doubt the witch hunt and presidential harassment lines will be flying on the steps of the White House and in this board.
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Exurb
Enough is enough for Gods sake
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175029)
I don't see how that benefited him politically. He's simply saying it will be easier to come to an agreement that's beneficial to our country.

if it didn’t benefit him politically, why did he specifically ask them
to wait until after his final
election?
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Got Stripers 09-26-2019 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175030)
Exurb
Enough is enough for Gods sake
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I’ve told you many times I couldn’t care less to go hunt down glasses, are you having trouble understanding the meaning, you probably are the worst at crossword puzzles.

You do keep showing how small you are and that in and of itself is worth not hunting down the glasses.
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175011)
You’re speaking I assume of the letter filed in the Senate record to Ukraine.
Who’s hiding anything there?
What personal gains do the Senators achieve?
I attached the letter, perhaps you could point out where they asked for Trump to be investigated.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175028)
i do!

and when obama was caught on a live mic asking a russian official to hold off missile programs
until after his re election, at which time he’d “have more flexibility” to work with them...that wasn’t a president asking russia for a favor for political gain?
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Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175029)
I don't see how that benefited him politically. He's simply saying it will be easier to come to an agreement that's beneficial to our country.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175031)
if it didn’t benefit him politically, why did he specifically ask them
to wait until after his final
election?
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When you can't answer a question, once again you hypocritically pivot to a new ButObama claim, trying to conflate something, anything with what Trump, whom you don't really like but defend tirelessly, did.

As to your latest distraction, there is a vast difference between saying this is not the time to negotiate that and saying we have a good relationship, not reciprocal, but do me a favor, investigate my opponent and you'll get your missiles that you asked for.
One is normal practice and the other, with the ask and the get, is why Trump will likely be impeached.

scottw 09-26-2019 04:00 PM

this whistleblower is a joke.......guess the dummycraps didn't learn from their Kavanaugh fiasco

Jim in CT 09-26-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175034)
When you can't answer a question, once again you hypocritically pivot to a new ButObama claim, trying to conflate something, anything with what Trump, whom you don't really like but defend tirelessly, did.

As to your latest distraction, there is a vast difference between saying this is not the time to negotiate that and saying we have a good relationship, not reciprocal, but do me a favor, investigate my opponent and you'll get your missiles that you asked for.
One is normal practice and the other, with the ask and the get, is why Trump will likely be impeached.

what question can’t i answer?

how am i being a hypocrite? i’m pointing out your hypocrisy. if it was ok for obama to ask the russians forma favor to help him politically, why can’t trump do it?

by the way, if biden didn’t do
Anything wrong, there’s no reason to fear an investigation.

i agree trump will likely be impeached. there’s a real chance this helps him, not hurt him. if
you can’t comcede that possibility, you have no idea why he got elected.

it will reduce the chances biden ( best bet to unseat him) is the nominee, and might make Trump appear to be the victim of a witch hunt to all except people
who weren’t going to vote for him
anyway.

if one genuinely believes it’s an impeachable offense, one has an obligation to impeach. if it’s all
an attempt to keep him from getting re elected ( which al green explicitly admitted to on msnbc) that’s a political gamble. sometimes gambles pay off, sometimes they don’t.

i think trump will happily take house impeachment if it means biden isn’t the nominee.

and if the reason obama
said “now isn't the time” was based on his upcoming re election ( and there’s no other
conceivable conclusion if to listen to what he said), then both are cases of a potus asking a foreign power for a favor that reaped political benefits for the potus. yesterday, all the libs were saying that in and of itself, is an impeachable offense. again, if that’s true, fine, but let’s apply it consistently. if
you refuse to apply it consistently, then it’s not a true principle.


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Sea Dangles 09-26-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1175032)
I’ve told you many times I couldn’t care less to go hunt down glasses, are you having trouble understanding the meaning, you probably are the worst at crossword puzzles.

You do keep showing how small you are and that in and of itself is worth not hunting down the glasses.
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Crossword puzzles.... use those letters for jumble and see what you come up with.
Haha, you make a point using the “word” exurb! Priceless
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Got Stripers 09-26-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175041)
Crossword puzzles.... use those letters for jumble and see what you come up with.
Haha, you make a point using the “word” exurb! Priceless
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Maybe pictures will help you if you are slow in picking up a word meaning, you do know there are adult continuing education classes you can sign up for.
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spence 09-26-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175034)
One is normal practice and the other, with the ask and the get, is why Trump will likely be impeached.

Pete, Jim has a fruit problem. It's been ongoing for years. Maybe he has scurvy :rtfm:

Jim in CT 09-26-2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175050)
Pete, Jim has a fruit problem. It's been ongoing for years. Maybe he has scurvy :rtfm:

from the guy who couldn’t bear to come on here for weeks after the election, too busy jerking off to an obama poster.

i can, and have, praised
and criticized both sides. you can’t, not once, not ever.
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spence 09-26-2019 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175056)
from the guy who couldn’t bear to come on here for weeks after the election, too busy jerking off to an obama poster.

God Jim, that’s a new low. Have you been conferring with Raider Ronnie?
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