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Pete F. 10-01-2019 02:07 PM

More than 352k people have registered to vote in Georgia this year, sending voting rolls to record high. 47% of new registrants are minorities, 45% under 30 -

Pete F. 10-01-2019 02:10 PM

NOW From a GOP Senate staffer: "The Civil War tweet is a tipping point for some, but not all." Says Trump's actions are pushing the GOP toward removal if that vote comes. It boils down to
@senatemajldr
. "If Sen. McConnell votes for removal, then it's over."

The Dad Fisherman 10-01-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1175477)
WOW AMAZING.. how much more do yo need ... ??? AND plz what matters to those in the middle of the country but not THE rest of us on the coast... id love to hear about it
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That myopic view is exactly the reason you have president Trump.

Do you think New Englanders care about policy affecting agriculture in the Mid West, or Nebraska cares about policy that affects the fishing industry in New England.

Does Texas care about policy affecting the Lumber industry in Washington State.

Every state/area in the country has their own economies based on their local industries.

This is why Hillary lost, because she didn’t care to waste time on the interior of America, didn’t even really acknowledge their concerns and Jim’s map shows that.
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spence 10-01-2019 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1175516)
This is why Hillary lost, because she didn’t care to waste time on the interior of America, didn’t even really acknowledge their concerns and Jim’s map shows that.
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Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

Jim in CT 10-01-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175509)
It doesn't prove anything, because land can't vote. It has nothing to do with a proximity to salt water, it's mostly about urban versus rural. Additionally your map doesn't show % of blue voters in red counties. It's practically meaningless which is why Trump uses it.

its not the saltwater spence. it’s the culture of the people
there, which is different from the culture in middle america. the coasts are where a majority of the swells live, people who think that drinking hot toddies with cashmere sweaters tied around their necks is the zenith of civilization, especially if god plays no role.

in flyover country, they view things differently. they view family, religion, guns, and patriotism, differently. disagree all you want, as the inability to recognize that will
not help the democrats in 2020.



thanks for telling me that land doesn’t vote, though.
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Jim in CT 10-01-2019 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175517)
Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

yeah, and i’m sure that’s exactly what happened.

you are an absolute joke.
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Jim in CT 10-01-2019 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1175507)
The maps red ok do the math on poupulation they have a minority view but majority in representation per person but thats ok
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yes it’s ok with me, because a state is also a sovereign entity with unique needs and interests.

if you don’t like it, like
everything else in the constitution, there’s a mechanism to change it.
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Jim in CT 10-01-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175508)
Up to the point of birth? No.

sanders, buttigueg, and oroarke have said it’s the woman’s choice.

warren does everything she can to avoid an answer.

who has come
out against it, besides Gabbard?
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The Dad Fisherman 10-01-2019 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175517)
Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

If the one vote flipped the county to blue, then the map would change. Pretty simple concept

Even though that’s not the case, but believe what you will.
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Jim in CT 10-01-2019 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1175526)
If the one vote flipped the county to blue, then the map would change. Pretty simple concept

Even though that’s not the case, but believe what you will.
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he has to believe it, the alternative is too much to bear. i can only hope the DNC believes it too. Hilary clearly did, either that or she thought it was based on popular vote.
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spence 10-01-2019 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175525)
sanders, buttigueg, and oroarke have said it’s the woman’s choice.

warren does everything she can to avoid an answer.

who has come
out against it, besides Gabbard?
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Never heard them say explicitly until birth for any reason. The party platform is to support Roe.

scottw 10-01-2019 05:32 PM

I wonder what these child activists claiming their future has been stolen from them by adults think of abortion?

Sea Dangles 10-01-2019 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175517)
Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

Poor liberal fool,is your brain elsewhere again?
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Jim in CT 10-01-2019 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175532)
Never heard them say explicitly until birth for any reason. The party platform is to support Roe.

they said the choice is the moms, the government should stay out of
it. meaning, they support the right if the moms to abort until
birth.

and why shouldn’t they? if the issue centers around the moms bodily self autonomy, why wouldn’t you support abortion until
birth? it’s still the moms
body. can you explain? it makes zero sense. zip.
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wdmso 10-01-2019 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175519)
its not the saltwater spence. it’s the culture of the people
there, which is different from the culture in middle america.

in flyover country, they view things differently. they view family, religion, guns, and patriotism, differently.
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You and Republicans are the only 1 selling the 2 America's.. youve bought into a lie that all thats left of America is the wholesome middle america.. you really need to get out more ...
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Jim in CT 10-02-2019 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1175553)
You and Republicans are the only 1 selling the 2 America's.. youve bought into a lie that all thats left of America is the wholesome middle america.. you really need to get out more ...
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the democrats aren’t selling the
notion of two America’s?

fascinating...

so explain obamas “bitter clingers” comment and hilary’s “deplorables” comment?

i see one america, but we aren’t all the same, there are regional and cultural differences. as your side likes to say ( but the don’t mean), diversity is good.

liberals celebrate diversity of everything, except in ideas.

love the notion that only republicans are divisive.
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175550)
they said the choice is the moms, the government should stay out of
it. meaning, they support the right if the moms to abort until
birth.

and why shouldn’t they? if the issue centers around the moms bodily self autonomy, why wouldn’t you support abortion until
birth? it’s still the moms
body. can you explain? it makes zero sense. zip.
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Jim,
Abortions at more than 24 weeks are around 1%
Abortion numbers have been going down consistently
Meanwhile, Infant mortality is worse in the US than any of the G20
Birthweight is decreasing
Average birth cost is over 30K, the highest in the world
You can ask your physician why late term abortions are necessary, he likely can explain the reasons they are performed better than I.
There is far more that can be done for life than trying to legislate medical procedures and reducing the availability of birth control.

But building a moat, filling it with alligators and snakes and shooting border crossers is ok. Just in the legs

Jim in CT 10-02-2019 08:57 AM

Pete, i am aware that most abortions aren’t late term. you guys have a real back for
answering a question no one asked.

Why should any pro choice person object to late term abortion? how does that make any sense?

if you say it’s not a person and the mom has the right to bodily self autonomy ( which is what they all say), why does the right to self autonomy end at some
arbitrary, meaningless point of pregnancy? It’s still the moms body. Where’s the logic?

Any chance you can address the question i’m asking?
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 09:03 AM

Because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof.
I guarantee that if a politician answers that question, their smiling face will be used in an attack ad with that statement and a picture of a dead baby.

The Dad Fisherman 10-02-2019 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175581)
nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof.

Hmmm, I could have sworn NYC lit themselves up in pink lights and big smiles on the legislators faces to celebrate just such legislation.

Pretty ghoulish if you ask me
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Jim in CT 10-02-2019 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175581)
Because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof.
I guarantee that if a politician answers that question, their smiling face will be used in an attack ad with that statement and a picture of a dead baby.

another dodge.

it’s not remotely political, it’s logical. if the entire pro choice movement is based on the premise that a woman can do what she wants with her body and that the thing inside her isn’t human, why does that position evaporate suddenly at some random point during pregnancy?

you can’t answer logically obviously, because there isn’t an answer with a speck of logic. you’re also not honest enough to admit that, so you desperately dance around it.
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 09:21 AM

Watch this, but you won't get a politician to say it for the reasons I put forth previously.

It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

You complain that liberals want to tax soft drinks with the goal of reducing healthcare costs and reducing the obesity of Americans, saying people should have the right to do whatever they want and it doesn't matter if they die.

But you claim the right to control women, their physicians and their decisions.

Jim in CT 10-02-2019 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1175582)
Hmmm, I could have sworn NYC lit themselves up in pink lights and big smiles on the legislators faces to celebrate just such legislation.

Pretty ghoulish if you ask me
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and i’ve seen planned parenthood celebrate the anniversary of Roe with of all things, birthday cake.
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Jim in CT 10-02-2019 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175586)
Watch this, but you won't get a politician to say it for the reasons I p

It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

You complain that liberals want to tax soft drinks with the goal of reducing healthcare costs and reducing the obesity of Americans, saying people should have the right to do whatever they want and it doesn't matter if they die.

But you claim the right to control women, their physicians and their decisions.

i claim nothing here. for the third time, i’m asking why a woman’s right to self autonomy, ends at some point during the pregnancy?

you’re getting a little worked up here. why not just answer the question.

it’s much more logically consistent, to say that the mom has that right throughout, and therefore support abortion until
birth. i don’t agree with that, but i concede the logical consistency.

you cannot win this pete, i literally have all the cards.
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Jim in CT 10-02-2019 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175586)
Watch this, but you won't get a politician to say it for the reasons I put forth previously.

It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

You complain that liberals want to tax soft drinks with the goal of reducing healthcare costs and reducing the obesity of Americans, saying people should have the right to do whatever they want and it doesn't matter if they die.

But you claim the right to control women, their physicians and their decisions.

i’m pretty sure that my decision to drink a Big Gulp from 7-11, doesn’t necessarily involve the concurrent slaughter of an unborn baby.
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175589)
i claim nothing here. for the third time, i’m asking why a woman’s right to self autonomy, ends at some point during the pregnancy?

you’re getting a little worked up here. why not just answer the question.

it’s much more logically consistent, to say that the mom has that right throughout, and therefore support abortion until
birth. i don’t agree with that, but i concede the logical consistency.

you cannot win this pete, i literally have all the cards.
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Because it is politically suicide to say that because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof, are you that stupid that you cannot see it.

My opinion is still: It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

So, I have answered your question.
Tell me why legislating for public health regarding disease is bad, but legislating for public health regarding reproductive control is acceptable?

How did this get to government intrusion into citizens lives from Trump's PR meltdown?

Jim in CT 10-02-2019 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175592)
Because it is politically suicide to say that because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof, are you that stupid that you cannot see it.

My opinion is still: It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

So, I have answered your question.
Tell me why legislating for public health regarding disease is bad, but legislating for public health regarding reproductive control is acceptable?

How did this get to government intrusion into citizens lives from Trump's PR meltdown?

if it’s a women’s rights issue, funny how so many women are opposed to it. are they all self
loathing masochists?

and you you support
abortion until the moment of birth?

not sure how we got here...happy to drop it.
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The Dad Fisherman 10-02-2019 10:13 AM

Funny how’s its a women’s issue , until we have to discuss child support. Then it’s a “It takes two” issue.

What if the mother is pro life and the father is pro choice? Does this absolve him of child support? What if it’s reversed, does that mean he now has no say on whether to keep it or not?

It’s not as cut and dry as it’s her body and she can do what she wants.
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175595)
if it’s a women’s rights issue, funny how so many women are opposed to it. are they all self
loathing masochists?

and you you support
abortion until the moment of birth?

not sure how we got here...happy to drop it.
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80% of americans support R vs W in some form

20% want no limit

As far as I'm concerned it's between you and your god or lack thereof, I feel no more guilt about other peoples behavior than I do about black people being brought to this country as slaves.
Perhaps you do

Jim in CT 10-02-2019 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175626)
80% of americans support R vs W in some form

20% want no limit

As far as I'm concerned it's between you and your god or lack thereof, I feel no more guilt about other peoples behavior than I do about black people being brought to this country as slaves.
Perhaps you do

i feel no guilt. what i feel, and you don’t, is empathy.
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spence 10-02-2019 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175626)
20% want no limit

I think that's high, the number of people who really want no limits is very low. What you do get though is a political push back effect where people will position themselves based on an opposing force each trying to resist a slippery slope.

Jim in CT 10-02-2019 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1175632)
I think that's high, the number of people who really want no limits is very low. What you do get though is a political push back effect where people will position themselves based on an opposing force each trying to resist a slippery slope.

it’s not high among the democratic presidential candidates.
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1175609)
Funny how’s its a women’s issue , until we have to discuss child support. Then it’s a “It takes two” issue.

What if the mother is pro life and the father is pro choice? Does this absolve him of child support? What if it’s reversed, does that mean he now has no say on whether to keep it or not?

It’s not as cut and dry as it’s her body and she can do what she wants.
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What if he raped her?

spence 10-02-2019 05:43 PM

"In a shocking exchange during a press conference, a reporter directly asked the Finnish president, "What kind of favors has Mr. Trump asked from you?” referencing President Trump's call with the Ukranian president at the center of an impeachment inquiry."

Ouch :jester:

Sea Dangles 10-02-2019 08:07 PM

Fake news Pal
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Pete F. 10-02-2019 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1175683)
Fake news Pal
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Fake news Pal
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The Dad Fisherman 10-03-2019 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1175637)
What if he raped her?

Well. if that doesn't settle it, I don't know what does. :rolleyes:


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