Mr irrelevant
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I don't understand this at all. At times I've pointed out where I think you're not doing your homework. That's not an insult. To be honest the constant dribble of snowflake, #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& and the crap that Dangles spews goes beyond locker room talk...it's just stupid and immature. Seriously Jim I'm surprised you get into it.

Nothing to worry about the Stable Genius has it covered with his great and unmatched wisdom, got it?

Trump's announcement on Syria plus the Ukraine scandal, from a European intel source: "The world order is collapsing in front of our eyes"
The Trump administration is pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, which allows the United States and our allies and partners in Europe to monitor Russian military deployments. Withdrawal risks dividing the transatlantic alliance.
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is her name Greta?

Sometimes the only way to explain / predict Trump's foreign policy is to think "what would Putin want the US to do?"
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TRUMP if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey .

Great and unmatched wisdom....

Makes you feel confident in whos running the country dosen't

Not sure if knows they are allies in a thing called NATO
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“the world order is collapsing before our eyes”

in what world, Pete? not here on Earth.
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well played sir.
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In Trumpworld all is great, step outside the studio. There’s a real world.

Remember, the Kurds on the ground defeated ISIS, not wee Donnie Bonespurs Trump.

Just keep believing Putin’s Puppet

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The Kurds aren’t going anywhere so they should be fine without him.
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Ask an Armenian, why you would want to worry about Turks
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no one said all is great. you said it’s all collapsing. not true.
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you’re saying that moving 250 troops out of syria, is going to cause world order to collapse? can we be clear, that’s what you’re saying?


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Ask the indigenous people why you should worry about the white man.
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but why are we the only ones on the planet who pony up? we’ve had a presence there for years, we took the lead. when is it someone else’s turn.

and as scott said, if trump
was determined to stay forever, there are those who would
attack him for that.
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If only life were so simple.

Read some news from outside Trumpworld and don't feel limited to the few clips I post.

Just keep believing Putin's Puppet and his great and unmatched wisdom.

The Irish Times and remember we "were" THE world power.
In Britain and the US, the idea that the EU could aspire to be a superpower is usually treated as either ludicrous or sinister.

So when Guy Verhofstadt, a prominent member of the European Parliament, recently made the case for the EU to be part of an emerging “world order that is based on empires”, there was a predictable backlash. At the Conservative party conference a few days ago, his words, taken from a speech to their anti-Brexit enemies the Liberal Democrats, were cited as evidence of the dangerous imperial ambitions of the EU - and proof that leaving the bloc is the UK’s only safe option.

Mr Verhofstadt can be arrogant. But, in this case, he also happens to be right. The rise of China and India, and the America First policies of Donald Trump’s US, makes it more important than ever that European countries defend their interests collectively.

The EU once dreamt that the whole world would move towards a law-based system, similar to the EU method. But a world order, shaped by Xi Jinping’s China and Trump’s America, will be based on power rather than rules. The outbreak of a global trade war underlines that small European countries can no longer rely on international rules to protect them. They need the bulk and heft that the EU provides.

The former Belgian prime minister’s choice of the word “empire” - with its connotations of conquest - was unfortunate. The EU is an empire by invitation. Nobody is forced to join. And, despite the difficulties of Brexit, any member is free to leave. It would be more accurate to say that the EU can and should aspire to be a superpower - one of four or five major global powers, capable of shaping the world order.

The Telegraph from the UK
Donald Trump has abandoned Syria for short-term political gain. We will all pay a terrible price for his folly

Financial Review from Australia
EU, too, needs to flex its muscles under the new world order
The EU once dreamt the whole world would move towards a law-based system, but a world order, shaped by Xi Jinping’s China and Trump’s America, will be based on power rather than rules.

From the BESA center Israel
The American withdrawals from the agreements with Russia and Iran are but two examples of a far broader breakdown in adherence to international law, norms, and procedures fueled by President Donald Trump’s disdain for key pillars of the US-led, post-WWII order.

Trump has walked away from the Paris accord on climate change as well as the Trans-Pacific Partnership and cast doubt on the US commitment to multiple other multilateral arrangements, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the EU, and the G7, which brings together the West’s largest economies.

America’s rivals, China and Russia, as well as Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, have countered US unilateralism with calls for a strengthening of multilateralism – albeit one in which they can use the arms trade to leverage their geopolitical weight and fight wars with absolute disregard for the human consequences, and brutally repress minorities of any ethnic, religious, or political stripe.

Trump’s “America First” approach has emboldened leaders backed by Russia and China, including Erdoğan, to more aggressively challenge the existing order and more blatantly violate its underpinnings.

The Korea Herald from South Korea
This year marks the 75th anniversary of the Bretton Woods Agreement, which laid the foundation of the liberal economic order in the post-World War era and led to the establishment of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank.

But it is also likely to be remembered as the turning point in history when leading economies essentially confirmed the denial of liberalism, regressing to nationalist and populist ideals.

The rise of Donald Trump as US president signaled the end of the liberal world order that had prevailed for most of the 20th century, as the Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass wrote in his landmark column “Liberal world order, R.I.P.” in March 2018.

As noted in its recent set of policies, the world’s most powerful country has been gesturing to depart from its long-held role as guardian of liberalism.

The Trump administration’s anti-liberalism actions included scrapping the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, and withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, Trans-Pacific Partnership and UNESCO.

As for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the US president labeled it “obsolete,” denying its function as a forerunner institution in the Western liberal-democratic world.

“The liberal world order cannot survive on its own, because others (than the US) lack either the interest or the means to sustain it,” Haass wrote.

“The result will be a world that is less free, less prosperous, and less peaceful, for Americans and others alike.”

Confirming Haass’ pessimistic analysis was the Group of 20 summit held in Osaka, Japan, in June this year, where the world’s major economies failed to include the issue of trade protectionism in their final communique, mainly due to disapproval from the US.

Gov Mike Hucabee tweets
I generally support @POTUS on foreign policy & don't want our troops fighting other nations' wars, but a HUGE mistake to abandon Kurds. They've never asked us to do THEIR fighting-just give them tools to defend themselves. They have been faithful allies. We CANNOT abandon them.

So it’s obvious Huckabee clearly doesn’t understand the dynamics of the global hotel business and its role in modern Foreign Policy development.
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senator rand paul agrees with trump, he’s more of
an isolationist i guess, who is adamantly opposed to committing us troops to endless fighting in such places. i haven’t heard many other people agree with what trump is doing. if it had to do with hotels in turkey he should be arrested. if he honestly wants to bring troops away from conflicts that may never end, isn’t there an argument to be made for that?
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:spin::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

If you have the attitude that there is always another rube to take advantage of, get the job done and move on to another it's fine.
That is Trump's historical MO, burning banks and subs. That's how you get involved in 3500 lawsuits.

But in the real world we need allies, sooner or later and we need them to trust us. Guaranteed there has been collateral damage over the years, but not in your face like this.

Remember what the Bushes put together in the Middle East in days.

That's why the Kurds, Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan and others matter.

Do you think Trump is capable of that kind of coordination and diplomacy?

And when all is said and done what did Erdogan get for not going public with all he knew on Kashoggi? There is a lot more to that story than is currently known.

"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none" — Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.

yes we need allies. and the years we spent fighting with the kurds, mean nothing?

pete, do you recall all the liberals
bashing bush for staying in iraq through the surge,,they all said bush was a war hawk who should have brought the troops
home. the democrats took control of congress with the message that it was time
to get out.

so can you see where i’m coming from, when i say it all
appears political? people
claim to believe one thing, then the other party gets control
and they say the opposite.

republicans attacked obama
for running up debt, and 95% say nothing when trump does the same. that’s the hypocrisy i have no use for.

you are right, 100% correct, we need allies. does that mean american teenagers need to die there forever? can we send them equipment but bring our
kids home? and the fact that americans have died there ( 5 this year) means nothing to
the kurds unless we stay forever?
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We might end up there for the foreseeable future, like Korea and NATO. That's part of the price of being the biggest arms dealer in the world.

I don't think pulling out, putting your head in the sand and doing thoughts and prayers is a viable alternative.

Best quote ever. Ben Rhodes, who formerly served as deputy national security adviser to President Barack Obama, tweeted, "Sometimes the only way to explain/predict Trump's foreign policy is to think 'what would Putin want the US to do?'"
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so ben rhodes presumably was on board with obama making fun of Mitt Romney, when Romney suggested that Russia was a major adversary? remember that? obama made fun of romney for saying that, and all the liberals
laughed hysterically.
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really?

I think it's funny that peto is starting threads now and just replying to himself:smash:

Pretty sure you know it wasn’t meant literally, best quote recently on interpretation of Trumps foreign policy.
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That’s debatable. You sound desperate
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Not at all, if you want to watch desperate, tune into Fox or watch the next Trump conference on the lawn, I’m having fun watching the melt down. Better than some of the Netflix shows I’m watching.
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It's not funny it's concerning. Trump is basically saying Congress can't investigate me. This is quickly become a constitutional crisis in the middle of many foreign policy threats. God forbid if something really bad happens we can't respond via a knee jerk tweet.

Tito, get Spence a tissue.....

Oh I know it’s anything but funny, in fact the world is always one conflict away from pulling us into another war, but even so it’s hard not to laugh at some of the BS coming out of the White House and GOP.
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dummycraps have been drooling to impeach him since the morning of the election...it's pretty pathetic and unpatriotic

Want to talk pathetic, how about Trump helping Turkey to invade the Kurds by pulling our troops out, the Kurds by the way are guarded the 10000 Isis jailed fighters, most swearing to go after the US if they get out. Those troops guarding those nuts are moving to the front as soon as needed, a massive jailbreak might be looming on the horizon. All that talk about Isis being defeating is probably as usual in Trump world just talk.
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every time you cackle about something....it ends up being just cackling....it's like spence's predictions :jester:

I was SHOCKED to read this :rollem:

The anonymous member of the intelligence community who filed the whistleblower complaint against President Trump that has resulted in a formal impeachment probe against him reportedly had a professional relationship with one of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.

Three people familiar with the situation said the Intelligence Community’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, revealed during closed-door interviews with Republicans that the whistleblower, reportedly a registered Democrat, had a prior work relationship with one of the current Democratic presidential contenders, according to a report in the Washington Examiner published Tuesday.

A bad situation in Northeast Syria is about to get much worse. Sources tell me that US officials have just informed the Syrian Kurds that Turkey is likely to attack on air and ground in next 24 hours. The US will do nothing. Targets are Tal Abyad and Ras al Ayn.
Ironically Tal Abyad was the main supply route for ISIS in 2014-15 through an open border from Turkey. Turkey refused repeated requests from US to shut border. That's a big reason why US decided to partner with SDF, which took the town in the summer of 2015.
...I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south — towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.
And finally there is the scary issue of the thousands of ISIS detainees and families, who may be breaking out of camps and prisons after Turkish attack--with NO American back-up plan. This is a major disaster coming at us because of Trump's decisions. Hours left to stop it.
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Not to worry, we have a leader with great and unmatched wisdom, his thumbs will tweet out a solution, one our enemies will probably understand more easily than our allies. Keep saying how good we have it back home, if the Middle East blows up with the poor handling by Trump, guess what our economy is tied closely to what happens world wide. I hope the Republicans continue to push hard against what Trump is proposing.

Kurds lost 10,000 plus, much more wounded helping up the US fight ISIS and we lost a dozen soldiers, but Trump needs to make a political move to gain what he sees as a political win or fulfillment of a campaign promise. The world is watching with glee (enemy’s) or shock (allies) at what is happening with US foreign policy.
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hey peto, how do your sources inform you?....is it telepathically or smoke signal?

why is this ours alone to deal with. and i'm supposed to believe, that if trump then declared war on turkey to protect the kurds, none of you would have a problem with that?

what i learned last night, is that congress never formally approved use of force in syria ( they didn’t need to obviously, but could have). so none of the politicians wanted to go on the record as saying they supported putting kids in harms way there, but they’re all livid that trump, who campaigned specifically on the issue of bringing troops home and won the election, is keeping his word.
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