probably all sorts of criminal plotting going on in these lengthy phone conversations :D

I heard him clear as day i also heard Republicans ask them who they(experts) voted for donations if any a solid line of questions.. about everything except impeachment but in typical fashion Republicans l hang their hat on the needle in the haystack guy..

Whos opening statement says that Mr. Trump should not be impeached

Then Republicans complained the other 3 came with their minds made up..... of course they did they law professor.. not jurors
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^^^^I have no idea what this means but....

democraps choose great "experts"...surely the dems could have found a few who were not lefty unhinged loons


"Here, in Pamela Karlan, we have a person with so many chips on her shoulders that she is fortunate to have shoulders. Her record, augmented by her own words, presents a deep-seated leftist bias in her politics — so extreme that even Obama would not name her to a judgeship, deeming even Sonia Sotomayor more “moderate.” Karlan, reminiscent of Inspector Javert’s single-minded pursuit of Jean Valjean in Les Misérables, has been going after Donald Trump from day one of his presidency — and even from before. She is on record, even before Mr. Trump became president, as saying about him that “I can’t think of one who had such an across-the-board combination of ignorance, indifference and defiance.” She is on record, even before he began, as questioning whether or not he would last four years in the presidency and mocking his “Trumpian standards.” She publicly released an open letter warning him — again, even before he took office — that she and her ilk “feel a responsibility to challenge you in the court of public opinion, and we hope that those directly aggrieved by your administration will challenge you in the courts of law.”


by contrast the republican witness, turley, didn't vote for trump...has some serious issues with trump.... and had reasonable issues with the process

let the dempcrap debacle continue...best thing that ever happened for the trump re-election effort :rotflmao:

this is a great article for the bunched panties crowd :)


"If you think Trump’s behavior is the worst in American history, you might be insane."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...l-perspective/

If Floridaman thinks he's home free and no one can do anything to stop him if he gets thru this.......

If the Senate doesn’t vote to convict Trump, or tries to monkey with his trial, he can be retried in the new Senate should he win re-election. Double jeopardy protections do not apply. And the Senators voting on impeachment in the next months know this.

at least you have something left to cling to...

Here is a simple Yes or No question, that no Trumplican politician has answered:

Is it ever OK for a president to ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival?

Hunter Biden is not a political rival. And it is OK for a President to ask a foreign power to whom we give money to investigate alleged and systemic corruption, which may also include corruption by U.S citizens (even if they are political rivals) and corrupt attempts to "interfere" with our elections.

Tell me you didn’t expect that answer 😜
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if it’s wrong for a president to ask a foreign govt to investigate a political rival, how about senators? we have seen the letter that senate democrats sent to ukraine asking them
to investigate Manafort and Trump.

So it’s wrong for a president, but ok for senators?
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I did.

Only so many deep state conspiracy theories one can follow, even Barr can’t follow and now it appears cant prove them true.
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Well . . . that was easy to follow. Not sure where it took us . . . but very clear.

So Yes and Floridaman NEVER worried about corruption till Ukraine, Biden and the Crowdstrike myth. Just think how stupid that is?
“When the National Republican Congressional Committee realized its emails were hacked, it called in a familiar firm: CrowdStrike, the same company the Democratic National Committee used in 2016 when suspected Russian hackers stole emails to sow electoral chaos.

The decision to employ CrowdStrike raised eyebrows amid remaining questions about the company's performance in 2016, but several cybersecurity experts are pushing back on suggestions that the firm botched the DNC response, allowing more emails to be taken.

“Their reputation is warranted and they are very good. They have worked for both parties for years now,” said Nicholas Weaver, a computer security expert at the University of California, Berkeley.

“Criticism of CrowdStrike's job in both cases is unfair. They are an incident response team: You bring them in AFTER the manure has hit the 3 MW wind turbine. So it is unfair to complain about a mess,” Weaver said in an email.

Few details are available about the NRCC hack, which reportedly lasted three months. CrowdStrike, which also worked with the NRCC before the hack, said in a statement it was asked in April to respond after the email intrusion was detected by another company.”

Bunch of fools

Funny not a single elected person will say Yes it is acceptable, the Trumplicans witness yesterday said it was not “perfect”
Will it be acceptable if it’s a dem calling for the investigation of Jared dealing with China while Ivanka gets trademarks?
The bailout of 666 Fifth Ave, such a prescient address for this administration.
The prince, princess and baron are untouchable?
Or Floridaman letting Erdogan into Syria to protect his investments in Ankara?
Slimiest man elected ever.
You just keep believing in the Creature from the Gold Lagoon.
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👍🏽🍔
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Nothing that you've said in this screed changes my answer to your yes or no question.

they keep ignoring this simple fact...nor is burisma(nor gropin' joe probably:hihi:)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...rump-6957.html


democraps are going to vote to impeach a president with no clear public support(waning in fact)...no republican support and perhaps some democrats voting against...this is OUTSTANDING!!:jester:

In your head, I pulled it out, I know it hurts.
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wow...you are worse than re-pete.....

Colludy says: Schiffs impeachment is a FARCE because

The conversation about corruption in Ukraine was based on compelling evidence of criminal conduct by then VP Biden, in 2016, that has not been resolved and until it is will be a major obstacle...to the US assisting Ukraine with its anti-corruption reforms.
The American people will learn that Biden & other Obama administration officials, contributed to the increased level of corruption in Ukraine between 2014 to 2016.
This evidence will all be released very soon.

What Colludy just admitted was that they were asking for dirt on Biden. Colludy is currently in Ukraine desperately trying to manufacture evidence along with some Ukrainian kid who claims he will be the next ambassador to the USA.
Ukraine says WTF?
Maybe Russia will release the tapes of Colludy, Floridaman, Nunes and Parnas soon.
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So much for detbuch argument about little biden not running for office . When trump just said VP Biden

I am sure. Seeing he detbuch and the rest of the biden bandwagon here . Seeing they don't mind Trump accusing an American private citizen of wrong doing outside normal legal proceedings
But poor kavanaugh ...

Its clear there are no crimes or misdemeanors that could ever be applied to Trump .. unless he went after guns maybe
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Abstract
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If there is "compelling evidence of criminal conduct by then VP Biden, in 2016," the infrastructure exists to have it thoroughly and impartially investigated.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-docu.../document-text

Nate Silver
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Finally getting a few more impeachment polls and the notion that the numbers are moving against Democrats isn't looking so hot. +4 spread on supporting impeachment/removal, which is similar to the peak in October.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/ …

80 % of Americans could want him gone republicans would still sell out to the base , evidence be damned

I am hoping for justice so Wayne,PeteF and GS can go back to normal and Spence can go back to #^&#^&#^&#^&s.
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If you think the Trumplicans are "fighting corruption" better look at their allies in the fight.

Andrii Telizhenko and Rudy Giuliani are in Kyiv, Ukraine. At midnight, they are across the street from the Premier Palace Hotel, owned by close Putin ally, Russian oligarch Alexander Babakov. Hotel known as den for Kremlin agents & Babakov is alleged Russian intel himself. https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...utin-ally.html
Investigations also show that Babakov used a proxy to interfere in 2017 French elections, securing a 9.4-million-euro loan for French National Front, the far-right, Kremlin-friendly political party in France headed by Marine Le Pen. That same proxy owns (on paper) this hotel.
Babakov, widely seen as one of Putin's henchmen responsible for hybrid war against Ukraine, has been able to evade sanctions here. He appears to have significant business holdings, including a big portion of the country's electricity supply. This is what Ukraine is up against.

Also in Babakov-owned Premier Palace hotel tonight in Kyiv, Ukraine, Rudy Giuliani met controversial lawmaker Aleksandr Dubinsky, who is loyal to former employer, Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky... facing London court trial over alleged $5.5bn PrivatBank fraud.

If you’re already not clear that they are pushing all their chips onto the table, then you might need to be. Whatever metaphor works for you, but if there was something being held back, it’s time to stop.

It’s unlikely Barr is going to become a hero.

From the start, before the details emerged, it’s been pretty much suspect they were playing a zero sum game.
Now it’s crystal clear that it’s an all or nothing for them - for all of them.
Dangerous times.

More in the local newspaper

https://www.kyivpost.com/

maybe they aren't all insane....


(CNN)Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, one of two Democrats to vote against formalizing the impeachment inquiry, said he plans to vote against all the articles of impeachment "unless there's something that I haven't seen, haven't heard before."

He warned Democrats to "be careful what you wish for" and he added that impeachment "is tearing the nation apart. ... And I want to bring people together."

Again finding a needle in the haystack presenting it as conclusively evidence Trump didnt do anything wrong

What a shock Van Drew, whose district voted for Trump in 2016...

Its all about him keeping his job.. its a gamble
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There is no conclusive evidence being presented.
But let me guess...you believe her or them.
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OOPS..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/doubts-...ls-11575588060

More than 500 legal scholars have signed on to an open letter asserting that President Trump committed “impeachable conduct” and that lawmakers would be acting well within their rights if they ultimately voted to remove him from office.

The signers are law professors and other academics from universities across the country, including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Michigan and many others. The open letter was published online Friday by the nonprofit advocacy group Protect Democracy.


“There is overwhelming evidence that President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to use presidential power to pressure a foreign government to help him distort an American election, for his personal and political benefit, at the direct expense of national security interests as determined by Congress,” the group of professors wrote. “His conduct is precisely the type of threat to our democracy that the Founders feared when they included the remedy of impeachment in the Constitution.”

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announced Thursday that the House of Representatives would begin drafting articles of impeachment against Trump, a day after the House Judiciary Committee heard testimony from four constitutional scholars on the matter. Three law professors who were called for that hearing by Democrats argued that Trump’s behavior was impeachable, while one invited by Republicans argued that the process was moving too quickly.

Those who signed on to the Protect Democracy letter said they “take no position on whether the President committed a crime.” Earlier this year, Protect Democracy gathered signatures for a similar letter, in which hundreds of former federal prosecutors signed on to a statement asserting that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s findings would have produced obstruction charges against Trump — if he were not a sitting president.

“But conduct need not be criminal to be impeachable,” the group of professors wrote. “Impeachment is a remedy for grave abuses of the public trust.”

The group noted in particular that Trump’s conduct seemed to be directed at affecting the results of the 2020 election, and thus it was not a matter that could be left to voters at the polls.

The impeachment inquiry has focused on what Democratic lawmakers say were Trump’s efforts to pressure his Ukrainian counterpart to announce an investigation into a potential 2020 rival, former vice president Joe Biden, in exchange for a White House meeting and the release of hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid. Trump has rejected Democrats’ allegation that he engaged in any sort of corrupt quid pro quo.

“Put simply, if a President cheats in his effort at re-election, trusting the democratic process to serve as a check through that election is no remedy at all,” the professors wrote. “That is what impeachment is for.”

Because Democrats control the House, Trump will almost surely be impeached. The matter would move then to the Senate for a trial to see if he should be removed from office. There, it seems unlikely that Trump would be ousted. The Senate is GOP-controlled, and two-thirds of senators would have to vote against the president.

yawn

They are just jealous
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...ff7_story.html


this is a great article...the hearings and all the dutiful impeachment media coverage isn't changing any minds...

what can the media do to change these minds????