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wdmso 01-10-2020 09:10 AM

Just a few years earlier, for United states
Soleimani had been an indispensable figure in the fight against the Taliban and ISIS.

SO Trump killed the guy and went full court press on how evil he was CUZ no one knew who he was

So in Trumps mind he thinks Isis is defeated , I can now kill the guy who we cozied up to help in the mission, but we won't tell Americans that part of the storie.

Yet their burning the air waves that Americans are safer today because of Trumps audacious action..

But can't fundamentally say how that is even remotely True

Trump is the boy who cried wolf he's lied and exaggerated since being elected

And now he and his sheep I mean base expect Americans to Trust what he says .

LoL
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Sea Dangles 01-10-2020 09:35 AM

Keep banging the drum Wayne.
And keep crying wolf.
You have done enough to make sure nobody is listening.
🤡🍔🤡
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Jim in CT 01-10-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1183649)
Just a few years earlier, for United states
Soleimani had been an indispensable figure in the fight against the Taliban and ISIS.

SO Trump killed the guy and went full court press on how evil he was CUZ no one knew who he was

So in Trumps mind he thinks Isis is defeated , I can now kill the guy who we cozied up to help in the mission, but we won't tell Americans that part of the storie.

Yet their burning the air waves that Americans are safer today because of Trumps audacious action..

But can't fundamentally say how that is even remotely True

Trump is the boy who cried wolf he's lied and exaggerated since being elected

And now he and his sheep I mean base expect Americans to Trust what he says .

LoL
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True that Iran hates ISIS. But we’ve had him designated as a terrorist for a long, long time. For good reason. Trump wasn’t the first president to do so.

you can’t see how we’re safer? the guy was a very skilled
mass murderer.

You know, i asked
you what you thought about the plot uncovered by the obama
administration, where Solemeini tried to higher Mexican drug cartels to plant a bomb in a washington DC restaurant. Was Obama similar to Trump, lying or crying wolf?

The fewer people there are who would plant bombs in DC restaurants, the safer we are. Let me know if that’s going too fast for you.
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wdmso 01-10-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183655)
True that Iran hates ISIS. But we’ve had him designated as a terrorist for a long, long time. For good reason. Trump wasn’t the first president to do so.

you can’t see how we’re safer? the guy was a very skilled
mass murderer.

You know, i asked
you what you thought about the plot uncovered by the obama
administration, where Solemeini tried to higher Mexican drug cartels to plant a bomb in a washington DC restaurant. Was Obama similar to Trump, lying or crying wolf?

The fewer people there are who would plant bombs in DC restaurants, the safer we are. Let me know if that’s going too fast for you.
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You chris and others can clearly keep your head in the Trump cool aid punch bowl

Last night he was selling Congress cant be told anything because it will be leaked to the fake media and our enemies...

And the crowd went crazy.. just admit you guys have no issue with Trumps moves towards becauming an authoritarian leader ... He was selling it last night and his base is all for it...

This view is based on actual conduct of Trump not hate not because hes a Republican

And another interesting development watching Fox news coverage and CNN coverage .. while recovering, it's clear to me the White House and Fox are in clear coordination the tone from Pompeo totally different on Fox where he mentions Obama constantly yet not on CNN and they give Trump free air time of every rally and parroting all White House talking points . I never expected Fox to be so deep in Trumps pocket , but after 2 weeks of watching , there is no daylight between them , and if fox news are some people's only source of information, I understand why they'll believe anything... lazy consumers

scottw 01-10-2020 11:03 AM

drinking game....everybody drink whenever a leftist mentions Kool-Aid ...or cool aid I guess

scottw 01-10-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1183657)

congress cant be told anything because it will be leaked to the fake media and our enemies...

this is sadly true...

scottw 01-10-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1183657)

and if fox news are some people's only source of information, I understand why they'll believe anything... lazy consumers

I think we've established that only leftists watch faux news

Jim in CT 01-10-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1183657)
You chris and others can clearly keep your head in the Trump cool aid punch bowl

Last night he was selling Congress cant be told anything because it will be leaked to the fake media and our enemies...

And the crowd went crazy.. just admit you guys have no issue with Trumps moves towards becauming an authoritarian leader ... He was selling it last night and his base is all for it...

This view is based on actual conduct of Trump not hate not because hes a Republican

And another interesting development watching Fox news coverage and CNN coverage .. while recovering, it's clear to me the White House and Fox are in clear coordination the tone from Pompeo totally different on Fox where he mentions Obama constantly yet not on CNN and they give Trump free air time of every rally and parroting all White House talking points . I never expected Fox to be so deep in Trumps pocket , but after 2 weeks of watching , there is no daylight between them , and if fox news are some people's only source of information, I understand why they'll believe anything... lazy consumers

You're dodging on the Iranian plot to bomb a DC restaurant.

As to Fox, Hannity and Fox and Friends in the morning, will never criticize Trump, not ever. I only watch Fox maybe twice a week, and when I do, I look for Brett Baier or Tucker Carlson, two guys who criticize Trump all the time. Brett Baier was discussing Iran this week, he let Republican Senator Tom Cotton talk for two minutes, then let Democrat Senator Tim Kaine talk for two minutes, he didn't interrupt either one of them. He gave influential people on both sides a chance to each make their own case. That doesn't happen all the time on Foxnews, but it only happens on Foxnews.

Hope your recovery is going well, Godspeed!

Sea Dangles 01-10-2020 11:51 AM

I don’t bother watching the news on any channel.
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wdmso 01-10-2020 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183661)
You're dodging on the Iranian plot to bomb a DC restaurant.

As to Fox, Hannity and Fox and Friends in the morning, will never criticize Trump, not ever. I only watch Fox maybe twice a week, and when I do, I look for Brett Baier or Tucker Carlson, two guys who criticize Trump all the time. Brett Baier was discussing Iran this week, he let Republican Senator Tom Cotton talk for two minutes, then let Democrat Senator Tim Kaine talk for two minutes, he didn't interrupt either one of them. He gave influential people on both sides a chance to each make their own case. That doesn't happen all the time on Foxnews, but it only happens on Foxnews.

Hope your recovery is going well, Godspeed!

Thanks getting there should be 100% before spring

The bomb plot was a plot agreed but its irrelevant to the new policy of assasination ,

The occasional criticisms don't tip the scales I think we can agree on that

Pompeo says the attack was going to happen but could say what embassy or military targets were going to be attacked... and couldn't or wouldn't tell members of Congress the details

Also the said Iran missed to avoid killing Americans but now its they were trying kill Americans

They were so worried about a bengiza repeat so close to the election , this administration rolled the dice , and are talking as if the dice rolling is over, and. Sounding like bengiza 1st it was imminent now it's something else happening some place

Now Trump goes from 1 embassy to 4 embassy, hence credibility issue

On another note Trumps mentions Obama like 3 times a day since getting in office

Why is that

Jim in CT 01-10-2020 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1183670)
Thanks getting there should be 100% before spring

The bomb plot was a plot agreed but its irrelevant to the new policy of assasination ,

The occasional criticisms don't tip the scales I think we can agree on that

Pompeo says the attack was going to happen but could say what embassy or military targets were going to be attacked... and couldn't or wouldn't tell members of Congress the details

Also the said Iran missed to avoid killing Americans but now its they were trying kill Americans

They were so worried about a bengiza repeat so close to the election , this administration rolled the dice , and are talking as if the dice rolling is over, and. Sounding like bengiza 1st it was imminent now it's something else happening some place

Now Trump goes from 1 embassy to 4 embassy, hence credibility issue

On another note Trumps mentions Obama like 3 times a day since getting in office

Why is that

i think the bomb plot is relevant, it shows that he was a terrorist and git what was coming to him.

I’m not saying fox gives equal positive and negative coverage to trump. i’m saying that nowhere in tv will you find more fair or balanced coverage, than fox’s Brett Baier or Tucker Carlson. both are conservative, but aren’t thoughtless.

Most importantly, glad
you’re feeling better, and happy new year.
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Got Stripers 01-10-2020 03:12 PM

He is obsessed with many things, Obama, the size of his crowds, his astonishing intellect, the media, his dictator boyfriends, the evil dems and a long list of people who have criticized him; many already dead and buried but some things he just can’t let go.

I think it’s laughable that Trump and Pompeo think we should believe them about the planned attacks coming our way, pretty hard to believe anything from a pathological liar. He believes he can do what he wants, he could care less about laws or norms, equal branches of government not in his eyes, but we should accept that this was an appropriate action. Even some of his own party were appalled at the BS they heard in the briefing and we haven’t seen anywhere near the end of the fallout.

Trust is earned and I don’t trust this administration one bit, until I hear hard evidence it’s just more of Trump being Trump.

Jim in CT 01-10-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1183672)
He is obsessed with many things, Obama, the size of his crowds, his astonishing intellect, the media, his dictator boyfriends, the evil dems and a long list of people who have criticized him; many already dead and buried but some things he just can’t let go.

I think it’s laughable that Trump and Pompeo think we should believe them about the planned attacks coming our way, pretty hard to believe anything from a pathological liar. He believes he can do what he wants, he could care less about laws or norms, equal branches of government not in his eyes, but we should accept that this was an appropriate action. Even some of his own party were appalled at the BS they heard in the briefing and we haven’t seen anywhere near the end of the fallout.

Trust is earned and I don’t trust this administration one bit, until I hear hard evidence it’s just more of Trump being Trump.

it’s “hard for you to believe” that a designated terrorist, known to being complicit in the deaths of 600 american servicemen, might be planning more attacks?
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Got Stripers 01-10-2020 04:34 PM

Not hard to believe with sufficient evidence, so if there is such evidence, why hide it from congress? I won’t double down on Wayne’s point, but this action has the potential to bring more harm and casualties than these yet to be divulged attacks and Trump has taken us to a point we are ok with assassinating state officials. Just imagine if Iran assassinated our top military officials, it would take us right into something most Americans have grown tired of. This could very well be where we are heading if Irans proxy’s start ramping up attacks well beyond previous levels.

Sea Dangles 01-10-2020 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1183678)
Not hard to believe with sufficient evidence, so if there is such evidence, why hide it from congress? I won’t double down on Wayne’s point, but this action has the potential to bring more harm and casualties than these yet to be divulged attacks and Trump has taken us to a point we are ok with assassinating state officials. Just imagine if Iran assassinated our top military officials, it would take us right into something most Americans have grown tired of. This could very well be where we are heading if Irans proxy’s start ramping up attacks well beyond previous levels.

It seems the speculation has no boundaries.
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fishgolf 01-10-2020 06:30 PM

Soleimani's job was to ensure that Shia control in Sunni dominated regions was furthered through his Quds Force. He was doing this regardless of Nuke deal or anything else. Yes, he fought ISIS in Syria, not as an ally of the US, but because ISIS is Sunni. Saudi Arabia is Sunni and our ally, therefore a drone attack on their oil production. Iraq has a Sunni minority that has recently protested the government - repressed (some killed) by the Shia controlled government. Thinking of these regions as "states" with boundaries is not how the local's think (Just like the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan is irrelevant to the locals there).

Removing Soleimani is only a temporary setback to an ideology that will not stop at inflicting its religion on all within reach.

Got Stripers 01-10-2020 06:35 PM

Religion is the route if all the BS this world has endured.
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scottw 01-10-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1183686)
Religion is the route if all the BS this world has endured.
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This is dumb
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detbuch 01-10-2020 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1183686)
Religion is the route if all the BS this world has endured.
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Communism is one of the kinds of religion which is the root of most of the BS. Secular religions in which the power of the leaders is the only god they believe in, are invested with the dogma that there is no greater authority than themselves, which gives them the ultimate authority to do to the rest of us whatever maintains their wealth and power.

And even though these secular religions are often founded by idealists who believe they have instituted something for the greater good, like all authoritarian organizations controlled by centralized power, they are corrupted by their own systems which put power in the hands of a few elites. And so evolve more and more into the nature of religion in which the followers follow them and are subject to their will rather than to a God, Creator, to whom even the elites must bow. Our modern socialist, progressive, and communist systems are such examples.

Most of the religions today are of that sort. Even the ones in which the leaders profess to believe in a god greater than themselves, but really don't.

Most of the mystical, spiritual, and transcendent religions in which the believers truly do believe, have been a hedge against the avarice, cruelty, and oppressive tendencies latent in human nature. But they too are often corrupted by power seeking non-believers. The more highly organized these religions become with centralized power structures, the more likely that they are co-opted by corrupt non-believers for their own benefit. What has happened to the Catholic Church, in my opinion, especially under the current papal administration, is an example of that. But even so, it is still not as destructive as the purely secular religions of today.

Islam is an example, in my opinion, of a sort of outlier spiritual religion that claims a God greater than everyone and everything and even has many leaders who are true believers--but was started mostly as a political system by someone who sought power rather than spiritual enlightenment. And is more a governmental system rather than a spiritually directed personal religion.


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