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Pete F. 01-16-2020 03:18 PM

Must be time for a caravan, things are getting hot in Floridaman's world

Got Stripers 01-16-2020 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184015)
The GOP senators are absolutely terrified at the thought of witnesses, forcing them to deny all the facts and show their home constituents they really don’t care about the laws or the constitution.
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All your deep thoughts, if you are capable of them.

Jim in CT 01-16-2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184019)
All your deep thoughts, if you are capable of them.

Id put thoughts up against those of any of the snowflakes here, any day of the week. You react like Pavlovian dogs every time someone says anything negative about him.
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Pete F. 01-16-2020 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183947)
the guy at the center of this surveillance of the ambassador, robert hyde, is running for congress in CT as a republican. the state party has been telling him long before this story came out, to drop out. He’s definitely a bit of a bit.

Sad to me that rudy is associated with people like this. he has fallen very. far from
the post 9/11 days when he seemed to be able to do anything.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183948)
i don’t think there are any senators on the fence. they all have their minds made up, just like 99% of the house did. i
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183951)
he issue isn’t that i think he’s the messiah. the issue is that you all think he’s the love child of Hitler and Darth Vader.

He beat you, and you snapped. That’s what babies do.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183960)
i have no problem investigating that. Can we also investigate hunter biden’s sweetheart deal?

you’re the kid who shows up with the shiny new ball, loses the game, then takes his ball and goes home, throwing a hissy fit.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183971)
wdmso, i’m not saying the two are connected. i’m saying when there’s evidence of wrongdoing, let’s imvestigate it. i don’t care who is involved or which party.

I know a little about Robert Hyde. He’s crazy. He was removed by police from a trump hotel
last year, he told
the cops that the secret service was bugging him and that people were trying to kill him. he may we’ll be a paranoid schizophrenic. as i said, let’s investigate to see. but can’t we also investigate when there evidence that the Bidens were involved in fishy business?

You only want to investigate trump.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183991)
Pete, when the people you get your news from, are lying or wrong again and again and again, do they lose any credibility with you? You're listening to the same people who said Hilary was going to win in a landslide, that Trump would get indicted for collusion with Russia, that he is a tax cheat, that he engaged in bribery, that the Sandman kid was an evil racist (that's a sixteen year old kid, by the way, if that matters, which it doesn't, because he was wearing a MAGA hat, and that's all that matters).

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1183995)
i’m am very sad to see how far Rudy has fallen. in the wake of 09/11, we were all in awe of the way he dealt with it all. he’s been reduced to a caricature of what he was.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184001)
i see that Nancy is so sorry and solemn, that she had commemorative pens made just for the occasion of signing the articles, engraved with her name, handed out to friends. Poor thing is so sad about all this.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184009)
Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184014)
Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear. if you actually believes what you claim to believe, you’d just say so.

The fact that you claim everyone who doesn’t hate him as rabidly as you do is a trumplican, shows how irrational and scared to death you are.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184015)
they’re absolutely terrified at the thought of 4 more years.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184022)
Id put thoughts up against those of any of the snowflakes here, any day of the week. You react like Pavlovian dogs every time someone says anything negative about him.
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A little projection from the rabid watchdog?

Got Stripers 01-16-2020 04:52 PM

He is a vile, dangerous and despicable man, but I react due to his policies on the environment, his mishandling of foreign affairs, his isolationist views on how America should move forward, my reactions wouldn’t be different if someone else was in there governing the same, so no Jim it’s not about hate. Hate and fear is what his party is about, my father would be appalled on seeing what his Republican Party had evolved into.

scottw 01-16-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184026)
He is a vile, dangerous and despicable man, but I react due to his policies on the environment, his mishandling of foreign affairs, his isolationist views on how America should move forward, my reactions wouldn’t be different if someone else was in there governing the same, so no Jim it’s not about hate. Hate and fear is what his party is about, my father would be appalled on seeing what his Republican Party had evolved into.

Hater
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scottw 01-16-2020 05:04 PM

If a congressman can wear sneakers to an impeachment. Trump should wear golf shoes to the state of the union
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Pete F. 01-16-2020 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1184029)
If a congressman can wear sneakers to an impeachment. Trump should wear golf shoes to the state of the union
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He has played more golf than any other President.

After saying he wouldn't have time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agz42UhlOew

scottw 01-16-2020 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1184033)
He has played more golf than any other President.

After saying he wouldn't have time.

probably surprised even himself at how effective he can be as President and still find leisure time

Jim in CT 01-16-2020 06:23 PM

golfing, like the debt, is an issue on which everyone flip flops depending on the party of the sitting president. I assume he can do his job anywhere. the only time i cared when obama did it, if i remember correctly, was golfing on the day that an american citizen was murdered by terrorists, optics weren’t great.
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Sea Dangles 01-16-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184026)
He is a vile, dangerous and despicable man, but I react due to his policies on the environment, his mishandling of foreign affairs, his isolationist views on how America should move forward, my reactions wouldn’t be different if someone else was in there governing the same, so no Jim it’s not about hate. Hate and fear is what his party is about, my father would be appalled on seeing what his Republican Party had evolved into.

Do you think your father would be proud to see you still polishing Obama’s ball bag?
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Got Stripers 01-16-2020 07:28 PM

Ooooh is that the best insult you have, was it a New Years resolution to be less hostile on this forum.

Sea Dangles 01-16-2020 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184047)
Ooooh is that the best insult you have, was it a New Years resolution to be less hostile on this forum.

No, same old exercise more bs.

Can you answer my question now?
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RIROCKHOUND 01-17-2020 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1184042)
Do you think your father would be proud to see you still polishing Obama’s ball bag?
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Where have you seen Bob ballwash Obama? Clearly we see you ballwash Trump daily, but GS?
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spence 01-17-2020 07:00 AM

Why is Dangles so obsessed with the twig and berries?
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Sea Dangles 01-17-2020 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1184056)
Why is Dangles so obsessed with the twig and berries?
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I wonder how you speak while I hold you by the throat.
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Got Stripers 01-17-2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1184056)
Why is Dangles so obsessed with the twig and berries?
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Could be he just doesn’t wear the pants in the family and he wishes he had a pair, or it’s just a case of little big man syndrome.

spence 01-17-2020 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1184057)
I wonder how you speak while I hold you by the throat.
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Quit with the fantasies you’re creeping everyone out #bigbearcd
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Sea Dangles 01-17-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184061)
Could be he just doesn’t wear the pants in the family and he wishes he had a pair, or it’s just a case of little big man syndrome.

Do you think I could borrow Peg’s?
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PaulS 01-17-2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1184066)
Do you think I could borrow Peg’s?
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Another new low from the most vile person on this forum (even Dozer when he shows up).

Got Stripers 01-17-2020 08:52 AM

Nothing he says bothers me, it’s just who he is. He offers little more than insults, predictable one liners, or his emoji burgers.

Sea Dangles 01-17-2020 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1184070)
Another new low from the most vile person on this forum (even Dozer when he shows up).

Rest easy my child.
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Sea Dangles 01-17-2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184071)
Nothing he says bothers me, it’s just who he is. He offers little more than insults, predictable one liners, or his emoji burgers.

I could offer predictions but that is already covered.
🤡👳🏾#^&♂️🤡
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PaulS 01-17-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1184072)
Rest easy my child.
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:rollem:

Sea Dangles 01-17-2020 09:12 AM

🙄
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PaulS 01-17-2020 09:15 AM

A good essay on Trump.

Trump’s Evil Is Contagious

The president has shown us exactly what happens when good people do nothing.

Timothy Egan

By Timothy Egan

It passed with the usual shrug by the usual handmaidens of hatred when the president of the world’s most powerful democracy threatened to commit war crimes by bombing Iranian cultural sites — the kind of barbarism practiced by the Taliban and rogue-state thugs.

After being told that he would be in violation of Geneva Convention rules that the United States had helped to create back when America was actually great, President Trump relented, but still wondered: Why not?

The warlord-in-chief had already gone out of his way to protect a Navy SEAL member who’d been accused of committing war crimes. And what kind of man did the president upend the military code of justice for?

“The guy is freaking evil,” one fellow SEAL told investigators, referring to Special Operations chief Edward Gallagher, who was convicted of posing with the corpse of a teenage boy who’d been killed in his custody. After the presidential intervention, the formerly shamed serviceman was posing at Mar-a-Lago.

On any given day, Trump is vindictive, ignorant, narcissistic, a fraud — well, his pathologies are well known. But it’s time to apply the same word to him as the brave Navy man did to the renegade in his unit. Under Trump, the United States is a confederacy of corruption, driven by a thousand points of evil. And that evil is contagious.

We all grew up hearing an ageless warning about public morality: that the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

The presumed outcome is reassuring, a story we tell ourselves. But in the last three years, that homily has been proven right, in the country where it was not supposed to happen. The Trump presidency has shown just how many ostensibly good people will do nothing, and how evil, when given a free rein at the top, trickles down.

When Trump retweeted a Photoshopped image of the two most important Democratic leaders of Congress dressed in Islamic garb in front of the Iranian flag, there was no chorus of condemnation from his side. Here was a graphic lie, a cheap defamation, the kind of dirty little trick that politicians usually give to the felon operating under the radar. For Trump, it was just another Monday.

Was it politics, or evil, when candidate Trump smeared a Gold Star family in 2016? Was it a mere shift in public policy, or evil, when Trump allowed people acting in our name to put children in cages and separate them from their mothers?

Was it mere theatrics to revel in a chant of “Lock her up,” about Hillary Clinton, who has now been exonerated, twice, by federal investigators? Was it normal for the 44th successor of a president who could not tell a lie, to lie more than 15,000 times?

Trump has so desensitized us that a day without a round of blunt force cruelty from the White House is newsworthy. And now it all comes to a boil in the impeachment trial. The facts are not in dispute: Trump tried to force a struggling democracy into doing his political dirty work for him. He tried to squeeze a foreign power into meddling in our election. What is very much in doubt is whether enough good people will do something.

In the process of this high crime, Trump broke the law, as a nonpartisan congressional watchdog reported Thursday. The greater evil is the violation of the lofty purpose written into this country’s founding documents. The smaller evils are the Republican senators who know the president violated his oath and deserves to be impeached, but don’t have the guts to say so.

“Do not, as my party did, underestimate the evil, desperate nature of evil, desperate people,” writes Rick Wilson, the Republican operative and witty Never-Trumper, in “Running Against the Devil,” his new book. “There is no bottom. There is no shame. There are no limits.” (as demonstrated by SD many times here).
As for the contagion of evil, you need not look far. In Texas this month, Gov. Greg Abbott said his state would become the first to refuse to take in even a small number of legal, fully vetted refugees. These are people who’ve been approved by the federal government for asylum, after being displaced by war, famine or persecution. In the past, people from Vietnam, Cuba and Africa have been welcomed, and have gone on to become some of our finest citizens.

A handful of citizens, the Catholic Church, some members of Congress, objected. “Accepting refugees with open arms — giving without keeping score — is who we are as Americans,” tweeted Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, herself an immigrant.

Sorry, that’s not who we are as Americans in the Trump era. When the hate flag is flying, most of Trump’s followers have stood up and saluted.


Here’s the two-step that all good people must take now: First, realize the level of depravity that has taken over the White House, and second, fight accordingly.

“Do not come to this fight believing that the Trump team views any action, including outright criminality, as off limits,” writes Wilson. This doesn’t mean you have to cheat, lie, or coerce. But it means you do have to fight, or be counted among the do-nothings who allowed evil to flourish.

Got Stripers 01-17-2020 09:23 AM

Perfect

Sea Dangles 01-17-2020 10:19 AM

Interesting opinion
From a liberal perspective.
👌
🍔
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Jim in CT 01-17-2020 10:20 AM

So Trump is evil, and navy seal gallagher is evil because
one anonymous person said so.

Good enough for me, by jiminy.
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Jim in CT 01-17-2020 10:23 AM

Paul, come on, you know how strained TX is because if the illegals that cross from Mexico?

Let’s be very clear. The author you quoted is saying it’s “evil”, to say “ look, we have more immigrants than
our budget and infrastructure can accommodate already. Let another state take some in, or give us money to support them.”

That’s an evil thing to say?

I don’t see it. the author makes some good points, but also goes way way to far to attack trump. but to your side, there’s no such thing as going too far to hit trump.
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Pete F. 01-17-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184087)
So Trump is evil, and navy seal gallagher is evil because
one anonymous person said so.

Good enough for me, by jiminy.
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You recite the party lies as usual and have strange heroes.

The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

“Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.

“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.

Jim in CT 01-17-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1184091)
You recite the party lies as usual and have strange heroes.

The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

“Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.

“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.

"You recite the party lies "

Take a poll of everyone the guy served with, I'll abide by that. I am not swayed by a reporter cherry-picking opinions of this guy to serve his narrative.

PaulS 01-17-2020 01:14 PM

You take a poll. The guys on his own Seal team where honorable enough to out him. The Seals don't want him back.

Jim in CT 01-17-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1184099)
You take a poll. The guys on his own Seal team where honorable enough to out him. The Seals don't want him back.

"The guys". You mean two quoted in the article? How about everyone else?

Paul, I don't know much about the case other than that it was very weird. But if a few guys said Gallagher was a solid leader and a decent man, this author would have ignored that because it didn't fit his agenda of attacking Trump.

I'm not trying to prove anything about Gallagher, I don't need to take a poll. If you're gong to say he's "evil", a sample of two guys doesn't show that with any credibility whatsoever. Hundreds of SEALs will know who he is.

PaulS 01-17-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184103)
"The guys". You mean two quoted in the article? How about everyone else?

Paul, I don't know much about the case other than that it was very weird. But if a few guys said Gallagher was a solid leader and a decent man, this author would have ignored that because it didn't fit his agenda of attacking Trump.

I'm not trying to prove anything about Gallagher, I don't need to take a poll. If you're gong to say he's "evil", a sample of two guys doesn't show that with any credibility whatsoever. Hundreds of SEALs will know who he is.

nope more than 2. look it up.

You're the one who said take a poll.

Jim in CT 01-17-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1183994)
I think smoking gun is a bit much. He has problems as a credible witness, and a lot will come down to how much can be verified.

It certainly begs the question; Rudy claims in asking for the meeting with Zelinsky, that the request was with the consent and knowledge of POTUS.
So was Trump lying when he said he didn't know what Rudy was doing in Ukraine or was Rudy lying about it then?

Plus there is a tangled web if Nunes was meeting with this guy as claimed. Nunes is trying to deflect and pull back, which is not a good look for him.

Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?

Got Stripers 01-17-2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184115)
Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?

If Moscow Mitch ever allowed witnesses and documents, you might get real close to sealing the deal. Personally, I'd be ok if the senate doesn't remove him from office, provided they look at all the facts, bring in all the witnesses that have first hand knowledge and get all the applicable documents on the record; at least then it's an outcome the public can deal with at the polls.

Jim in CT 01-17-2020 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1184118)
If Moscow Mitch ever allowed witnesses and documents, you might get real close to sealing the deal. Personally, I'd be ok if the senate doesn't remove him from office, provided they look at all the facts, bring in all the witnesses that have first hand knowledge and get all the applicable documents on the record; at least then it's an outcome the public can deal with at the polls.

The house is charged with making the case.

But I'm fine with the democrats calling Bolton, and the Republicans calling Hunter Biden. Let's investigate, I have no issue with that.

Jim in CT 01-17-2020 05:06 PM

Paul S, I have to say this about Gallagher, it's unusual for his teammates, even a small number, to speak out against him so vehemently, so something weird is going on there. But it's also a fact that another serviceman confessed to choking the guy to death that Gallagher was charged with killing (that's my understanding), so they didn't have their facts sorted out. Of the servicemen he got pardoned, Gallagher was the one the seemed off to me. I don't know if he's "evil".

spence 01-18-2020 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1184122)
Paul S, I have to say this about Gallagher, it's unusual for his teammates, even a small number, to speak out against him so vehemently, so something weird is going on there. But it's also a fact that another serviceman confessed to choking the guy to death that Gallagher was charged with killing (that's my understanding), so they didn't have their facts sorted out. Of the servicemen he got pardoned, Gallagher was the one the seemed off to me. I don't know if he's "evil".

I think it was like 1/3 of his company came out against, that's not a few disgruntled guys who just didn't like him.

Regardless, the bigger issue with this story is how Trump just inserted himself in the process for political purposes. The guy could have been cleared legally, let the military court of justice do it's work.


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