so there aren’t any homicidal maniacs planning to vote the same way as you?

gimme a break Wayne. That’s the best you got? There are tens of millions of people
who voted for trump, some are crazy, some are very bad. That says nothing about anyone else.

Pretty desperate if you’re playing that card.
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It’s all they have left. Meanwhile,the hoax is unraveling.
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Isn’t it interesting how Floridaman’s lawyers are desperately trying to convince us that Floridaman was obsessed with corruption in Ukraine? Yet, Floridaman has never ONCE expressed even a passing interest in corruption in Russia. Or anywhere else for that matter

Putin's puppet

GOP sources are telling us after the bolton manuscript it's now "very likely Trump could be the first president in history to be removed from office."

when you can show me likewise comments from the left , than you might have an argument , I am sorry that the right left you and other conservatives behind .. this is the new reality ..

I am just stating the obvious

but pete he gave them Javelin anti weapons ... and obama didn't isnt that enough :cheers2:

How much aid do we give Russia?
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NEW YORK TIMES: "Bolton said after Trump's call with Zelensky, Bolton raised with Barr his concerns about Giuliani—who was pursuing a shadow Ukraine policy encouraged by Trump—and told Barr Trump mentioned him on the Zelensky call. Barr denies learning of the call from Bolton."

If that is true, then Barr is not merely conflicted (he was directly referenced in the phone call to Zelensky), he is a co-conspirator who actively tried to obstruct Congress and justice by burying the WB complaint and preventing a criminal investigation.

How much do you want to bet?

Yet again, NOW we have the smoking gun. We didn't have it before, but NOW we do...Pete, how many times do you get fooled by these people, before you'll stop listening to them. I actually think Bolton should testify. For the same exact reason the Bidens should testify...it's good that we know what these people are doing in our names.

Ukraine in fiscal 2018 ranked 25th in the amount of U.S. aid it received — economic, military and other. Of the 24 countries who received more aid, 13 ranked as more corrupt than Ukraine on Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index.

"when you can show me likewise comments from the left , than you might have an argument "

ANTIFA beats the sh*t out of senior citizens. Now, because they vote the same way you do, what do their actions say about you? The answer, of course, is nothing. Absolutely nothing.

"The right" isn't defined by the lunatic fringe, any more than the left is defined by cop killers.

Harvey Weinstein was a very, very prominent democrat. What do his actions say about you, since you vote the same exact way he does?

How many examples do you want? Anthony Weiner, the democrat governor of VA in blackface, etc...We could both go all day. But it would be stupid.

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson: ‘My guess’ is John Bolton is telling truth about Trump and Ukraine

Then I guess it's all over...just like it was 15 other times since he took office.

Senator Johnson also said (you left this part out, I'm sure that was an accident on your part), "“Having been involved, having spoken with John Bolton myself on this issue, I don't know what additional information he might have. I don't think it'd be particularly revealing.”

OK, Pete.

The defense team’s strategy rests on pretending that news doesn’t exist.

Floridaman's defense team is confused—the president is not permitted by law or constitution to issue a "blanket" edict of "absolute immunity" without any assertion of execution privilege in response to the House engaging in the constitutionally provided-for process of impeachment.

More than this, Floridaman is so far from just "asserting his rights" as president that he's actually arguing for an END to the Impeachment Clause, an END to Congressional oversight, and an END to checks and balances. It's a lawless argument that has nothing to do with rights.

You didn’t answer my question.
You know,the one that exposed your gibberish.🤡🤡🤡
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I really like this guy. His delivery is a great mixture of seriousness with punchy combative humor. And he has good political insight. the first half of this video pertains to this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iji7otwIaI

nobody likes you anymore Captain Mustache :rotflmao::rotflmao:

A more clinical, lawyerly, devastating destruction of the House's first article of impeachment, there's this presentation by Mike Purpura of the Presidents legal team at the Senate trial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNfHg2N-gM

Amusing you feel there is an audience on this forum who you potentially can sway with that, it’s like Pete in his zest thinking he will sway anyone on the right to view a Trumps action as impeachable. I’ve made up my mind after seeing all the evidence, listening to the testimonies and seeing even more supporting evidence since, so I don’t even bother to click your link. If there are witnesses it only strengthens the impeachment effort, but I’m also certain it will strengthen your and others defense, reality isn’t always fun, just or right.

I have no illusions that you or Pete or wdmso or Spence will be swayed by anything I say or any video or article I post. I don't post anything for you, even if I respond to any post by you. I do it to give others who just tune in and rarely, if ever, join the conversation in order to give them a perspective other than yours.

The trial has started 3 days into the Trial the murder weapon has been found and ballistics match the weapon ...

Republicans think that because it wasnt found by the (House) prior to the Senate its not relevant :rotflmao:

But somehow hunter Biden is:btu:

Again I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him... But I guess the American people and the historical record should be denied this new information from a 1st hand witness,,

And republicans beating the Drum of let the voters decide and overturning an election BS , Yet they dont want to present anything that may damage the POTUS how upstanding putting Trump before the Voters .. :btu:

Please explain this gold.
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I've been saying this from day one. doesn't mean I think he had a perfect call and did nothing wrong ..

I'd like to see Bolton testify, no reason not to. The more facts we have, the better.

WDMSO, would you be OK with allowing Bolton to testify, if in return, we asked the Bidens to testify?

You're acting as if only Republicans want to hide the facts. The truth is, there are some Republican senators (Romney, Collins) who are open to the idea of letting Bolton testify. I haven't heard one single democrat say that we should also get to the bottom of what the Biden's were doing.

So which side wants the facts, and which side is covering up? It's not as one-sided as you are trying to portray it to be. Not even close.

Your side is interested in presenting all facts which will hurt Trump. They're not interested in much else.

Wayne, isn't it best if we know what Bolton has to say, AND we also know if Hunter used daddy's connections to get a cushy job? If not, just come out and say that you're only interested in facts that fit your agenda.

Hunter is a weirdo and a complete scumbag (what kind of a man is a millionaire, but only pays child support because a judge orders him to?). I'd like to know what he and daddy were doing there. Just as I'd like to know what Bolton has to say.

What he meant (I'm pretty sure), was that what you posted, implies that you are certain they will remove him.

Again you sound all reasonable then off the rails you go with the Bidens crap.. Hell , why not call capt crunch to testify

Ok here is your chance Tell us how Having biden testify Has any relevance to the 2 articles of impeachment currently being argued in the Senate in the president's defense

Supposedly, the Bidens' action in Ukraine was the main reason for the Trump actions that led to impeachment. If that is true, the Bidens would certainly have 1st hand relevance to Trump's action.

having biden testify doesn’t directly support or refute the articles of
impeachment. so let’s have a separate investigation into Biden if you want it disconnected from impeachment.

My point is this...Donald Trump
is running for president, therefore i think it’s vital that the voters have all the information they can get, when deciding if they’re going to vote for him. If Bolton’s testimony sheds new light, we are better off having those facts. I assume
you agree.

Here’s where we part ways. Using the same exact logic I articulated above, were similarly better off knowing what, if anything, Joe Biden did in Ukraine.

I think it’s good to know the truth, regardless of party.

Obviously, you’re only interested in the truth that helps democrats.

Nothing you have ever posted, disputes that last sentence of mine. Try making that wrong. Or at least explain to us all, why seeking truth is only a noble undertaking, when it helps democrats or hurts republicans? Obviously that’s what you believe, so just tell us why?
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Supposedly being the key word, that crap cover story has already been blown up by testimony and now Bolton is about to force the senate into exactly what Moscow Mitch wanted so desperately to avoid; first hand witnesses. Kelly coming out in support of Bolton is going to further raise the stakes, might be Mitch is thinking gee how would a Pence presidency be.

Shorter Purpura: "The House Managers are trying to deceive the Senate by hiding critical evidence. We will now provide that evidence to you, by relying solely on the the record that the House Managers themselves gave you."

You won't find any post from me suggesting certainty of his removal

What Truths hurt Democrats , what truths benefit Trump haven't heard any

I have no issues with a separate Biden investigation, based on evidence or probable cause , not just let's go fishing

You do know Bengiza was to discredit Clinton , prior to the election or did you miss that

Another GOP congressman says Benghazi panel meant to hurt Clinton

And he precisely, surgically, did so.

The supposition is that Trump only wanted something that would benefit him in the 2020 election.

Not intentionally. But when you typed this:

I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him

that means you think they will remove him. Too many negatives in there...he was teasing you, that's all...

The House has filed a new letter in court showing that Trump's impeachment team again contradicted the administration's legal position -- this time in the Mueller grand jury case.

It's the second time in a week: Last week, the House filed a similar letter indicating that Trump's impeachment team contradicted the president's position in the MCGAHN case.

That says it better than I ever, ever could. You don't operate in the real world, you exist in a hyper positive world, where literally,

liberal=good
conservative=bad

always, no exceptions.