Thanks for sharing your personal perspective Zimmy but I think you are mistaken.
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your mom is one person. there are tens and tens of millions of evangelicals.

earth to you, evangelicals turned out for him. not for the way he chooses to live, but for the policies he endorses. god almighty, you take a poll of the people you know, and that means that evangelicals didn’t vote for trump? more accurately, they voted for Pence.
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Mistaken bout which part? That Jim doesn't have the authority to speak for "the faithful?" That I have a mom? 10's of millions of faithful voted against Trump? I bet you are thinking that he meant a majority of the faithful, which would be true.

the uber liberal washington post says that 80% of white evangelicals voted for trump. but you can dispute that because of your mom. very scientific.

the left hates christians, christianity, and everything it stands for.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-donald-trump/
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i didn’t speak for the faithful. i said they voted for trump. because they did. you’re denying that evangelicals went for trump? on what basis would they vote for Hilary?

i’m really in your head, huh? take a breath and relax.

I never claimed your mom voted for him, so i can’t imagine what you thought you were referring to.

I said the faithful voted for trump. did you really interpret that as my saying that 100% voted for him with no exceptions?

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No, you said "but from the perspective of the faithful." The ones who voted for him are not "the faithful" they are some of them. You say such garbage in here it is ridiculous.

80% of evangelicals voted for the guy, but somehow it’s wrong if i say they support him. gotcha.

if i said “blacks chose hilary”, would
you disagree?

the left is getting way more secular. that’s their choice. that choice has consequences.
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Oh sorry. My bad. I read the words "faithful." My computer is showing different words than yours apparently.

apparently...."faithful" is one word :huh:

ok. show me data, any data, which suggests that genuinely religious people, didn’t go for Trump/Pence in 2016.

your observations of 5 people you know, are not statistically significant. the evangelicals are a huge, huge group. and 80% voted for trump.
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About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

If 50% of Catholics voted, and 60% voted for Trump (being conservative I think, might be lower), that is 14 million right there.....

In this context I believe Zimmy meant religious,but Icant be sure.
To vote for a candidate does not necessarily indicate one is voting “against” another. Perhaps a link would provide more clarity rather than opinion and conjecture. A thoughtful response regardless of loosely gathered thoughts and biased research which typically flows from the left.
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In the article they acknowledge the 80% of white born again evangelicals voted for trump,.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/

i think as you stated, you were being generous with catholics for trump.

But when i say faithful, i don’t mean people who call themselves catholic but go to church 4 times a year and are pro choice. i mean religious people who take their faith and convictions seriously. a lot of people who identify as catholic, are very casual about it. evangelicals are usually more devout and serious.

this group, which i call “the faithful” because they actually try to stay faithful to that which they profess to believe, went big for trump. there’s no way that’s not true.

catholics and jews as a group, are likely to vote for a candidate whose policies are contrary to their faith ( today’s national democratic platform is totally incompatible with catholicism). evangelicals are a lot less likely to do so.
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The bottom line Trump is playing the religious right and they are playing him they clearly understand to use his vanity shower him in praise make him an unaware tool of God. To get what they want. These are the same people who swindle millions of dollars from followers sell fake cures and speak in tounge, yet live lavish lifestyles big houses jets , and Tump fits right in

Both sides pander Wayne. But I think you know that. Why do you think Bernie voted against the Brady Bill?
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He's doing what the religious right wants him to do. We get conservative judges and the ability to practice our religion without the feds telling us we need to defy our beliefs. In return, he gets our votes.

Why is that one side "playing" the other?

You vote for democrats who promise your union more than the Republicans. Why is that different? Does that mean you're getting "played" too?

Lemme guess...it's OK when unions and democrats work together, but sinister when evangelicals and republicans work together.

I can make a very great argument that the unions are getting played, because those pensions can never be paid for (just do the math), and when they go bankrupt, the democrats who lied to you will be retired in Grand Cayman. And they won't give a sh*t about the promises they made to you 30 years prior.

To keep it simple and not get into the semantics of who gets to qualify as faithful: 138 million voted 75% identified as Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. 40% of those voters voted for Hillary.
138x0.75x0.4= 41.4 million
Had Jim said a majority voted for Trump I wouldn't have had anything to say, but his blanket statement is a representative of co opting of religion by some on the right that is bogus. Maybe Jim just meant Trump won a majority of the faithful. Maybe given the way he started this thread he should look into what it means to be faithful.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/
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I define "faithful" as a religious person (any religion) whose religious beliefs hold real value to him, someone actually dedicated to their religious beliefs. Someone who identifies as Catholic but who goes to church twice a year, doesn't do any volunteer work, and thinks the church is wrong on abortion, is not someone I'd consider to be faithful.

Among Christian faithful, Trump won big. Among casual Catholics and Jews, Hilary did great.

I'm very sorry if you don't like those results, but they were the results. Obviously they were the results. No Christian would ever truly believe Trump is a righteous person. But the policies he enacts, are far more in line with Judeo-Christian principles, than those of Hilary, it's not even close. Biden will have the same problem, but he'll make up for it with groups that lean left.

your trapped in your imaginary attacks on religious liberties..

being against religious discriminatory actions are not attacks on religion however its clear who are on the attack

Conservatives Are Weaponizing “Religious Liberty” to Allow Institutions to Discriminate

In 2016, for the second year in a row, more than 100 anti-equality bills targeting LGBT people were introduced in state legislatures, many of them described as measures to protect religious liberty. This flood of anti-LGBT and “religious liberty” legislation is not the result of isolated local efforts. It is part of a larger campaign by Religious Right groups to resist and reverse advances toward equality for LGBT Americans by portraying equality as inherently incompatible with religious freedom.



comparing union to whats going on see above again making comparisons that are not remotely the same ... unions count as 13 % of the American work force but get 100% of your Attention :btu:


yet evangelical percentage of the population at 25.4 are getting 100% of Trump's attentions , the rest are on the sidelines watching

"your trapped in your imaginary attacks on religious liberties.. "

Obama was successfully sued by the owners of Hobby Lobby, as well as the Little Sisters of The Poor, because Obama tried to force them to abandon their religious beliefs. They sued, and they won. So if you want to recant your ignorant statement, now would be a good time.

Hey, I was pro gay marriage way, way before Obama and Hilary, and I bet I was before you as well. I agree that churches need to re-think their positions on gay marriage. You didn't post any links so I don't know what the bills were. Whle I support gay marriage, I also support the right of a Christian baker to not participate in a gay wedding if he chooses not to. The First Amendment is pretty clear.

" comparing union to whats going on see above again making comparisons that are not remotely the same '

right. So Trump is playing the Christians, but democrats aren't playing the unions. You say so!

"unions count as 13 % of the American work force "

But are 100% of the reason why CT and IL are on the verge of bankruptcy. 100%.

"but get 100% of your Attention "

Gibberish.

That is a selective and I will say warped opinion based what my Bible says.
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I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

Well said. I am getting out of here ☠️
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In my experience, when liberals lob baseless insults with zero evidence, it means they know they've lost the debate.

If you'd like to tell me how anyone would conclude that the liberal agenda is more closely aligned with judeo-Christian principles than the conservative agenda, I'd be interested to her it.

Please note, I'm not saying Trump is a better Christian than Hilary. I am saying his agenda is more Christian friendly. Remember Hilary's deplorables rant, she was speaking, in part, of evangelicals and what they believe.

Who are the two guys in the picture?




:hidin:
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Fun fact: Jesus refused to tend to the lepers until they pledged allegiance to him and preemptively expressed their gratitude.

Not sure, but I think the one with the dark hair used to play left tackle for the Jets
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All religions su*ck, the head count over religion is millions and I find the catholic faith especially hypocritical. How many lives have been ruined by catholic priests, faithfully practicing what?

not all..this is foolish

Pick a century, pick a religion, pick a “god”, they have all murdered millions in the name of their “faith” or their “god” being the one and only, they all su*ck, just to varying degrees of death in the name of.
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How many deaths have been caused by religion? Here's a list of religiously motivated wars and genocides and their death tolls. Let me know if I missed any!
The Crusades: 6,000,000
Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
Iraq War: 500,000
US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.

Rest my case, although that doesn’t even include the terrorists, who have added to it in the name of, again they all su*ck!

you just need something to bitch about...

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The irreverent core are now the thread police, I think you both need to hold hands and attend services together this weekend, what’s the problem; special warm thoughts from your alter boy youth?

You complain a lot
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I get it, my bringing up catholic priests made your butt checks tighten out of shear panic from your youth, I understand you can’t debate the value of religion in general. Go find a soft seat and take some deep breaths.

show me millions murdered by jews or christians in this last couple of centuries please?

it’s something, to tell people
that the thing they might hold
more dear to them than anything, su*ks. Very ignorant. Stop by a catholic hospital sometime, or a catholic food bank, or a catholic school where the staff work for peanuts, and tell the heroic volunteers that it all su*cks.


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