wayne, another.

i’ll stop, i could go all day. And no, I don’t think Trump is a doctor. You are the one wallowing in ignorance on this issue. you would
do well to ask yourself why your sources kept all this from you. it was intentional, there was a specific reason why you had no
idea that actual doctors, in some cases, had some success with this drug. Can you guess?

https://www.independentsentinel.com/...ccess-is-real/
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Once again, follow the links and read the actual study Jim, it doesn’t provide any evidence it’s an effective drug, just that some doctors mostly in Spain and Italy believe it’s better than other options. The other anecdotes cited assuming they’re even real have no control group, it’s best case just an anecdote, that’s not how medical guidelines are created. I’ve seen other anecdotes where there’s no benefit observed at all, just side effects.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

i read every word of each link i posted.

you’re saying that rather than being the best option, it’s merely batter them the other options. because “better than other options”, to you, is different from being “the best.”

show me an article saying specifically, that the doctors i posted links to, are lying.

there hasn’t been a credible study done yet, showing that it’s effective. but obviously, the e
empirical evidence suggests it is. only thoughtless idiots who can never concede that trump could ever be right about anything ( fit and wayne are obviously in that group) question this.

pathetic that liberals would
deliberately misinform on something this important.

read the link about the democrat lawmaker from MI. and post a link from someone on your
side, explaining why she’s wrong.

You are possessed by, and are a slave to, your liberalism. every single person here knows where you stand on every single
issue, before you say a word.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

This is basically what she was telling me. Shows some promise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...ne-system.html
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

how can it show promise? Trump
said it shows promise, therefore it must be the single
worst thing to do in response to the virus.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Wayne still hiding?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with

It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.

Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,


But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..

Your delusional... :btu:

JIM did trump get his. hydroxychloroquine. Info from tweeter?


Mr. Trump reposted a Twitter message that said “Time to #FireFauci” as he rejected criticism of his slow initial response to the pandemic that has now killed more than 22,000 people in the United States. The president privately has been irritated at times with Dr. Fauci, but the Twitter post was the most explicit he has been in letting that show publicly.


And you're the ignorant one in this conversation your suggesting that criticisms of trump and and the use hydroxychloroquine are some how against Trump

Myself nor any news I've seen or read have not been hopeful of the possibility that hydroxychloroquine may be a viable drug , so has Fuci

Seeing you confuse anecdotal and Facts or study or clinical trial

anecdotal evidence noun

Definition of anecdotal evidence
: evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them
His conclusions are not supported by data; they are based only on anecdotal evidence.

So an oncologist is treating a 100 patients with Covid 19 with hydroxychloroquine

Not sure I would go to my oncologists and I have one , if I thought I had Covid 19
Just saying ,, and Laura Ingraham would never have anyone on here show who wouldn't support her vision

There..represents a place
Their..indicates possession
They’re... takes place of they are
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

So all those stories are just made up? THAT'S what you're saying.

Mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling.

Again, you're a slave to your ideology. You cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.

The CDC and FDA are NOT denying that it works in some cases. There just hasn't been an official study yet.

I'm not woke. But unlike you two, I'm rational.

You tried to differentiate "best option", from "an option that's better than the other available options"

Because that makes sense.

So you about you let the ongoing studies conclude before pushing a politically motivated campaign to indulge Trump’s longing for a miracle cure.

If it helps great but the last thing we need is more politics polluting science, that’s bad enough already.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I would have liked to use your sources, but your sources won't report on this. How about the black woman who is a legislator in Michigan? You are saying that she is making her story up?

This has happened ...

My Father who is 79 not in the best health but good for his age. He tested postive for Covid 19
Over a week ago and only had mild symptoms . Thankfully.

This leads me to the issue of hydroxychloroquine.. and its precived success in outcomes

If he was given hydroxychloroquine( HE WAS NOT) should I have concluded this was the reason he only had mild symptoms, based on his age and the news on who is at greater risk

But if he had been given it and with all the info on who's being impacted, by covid the conclusion would have been the hydroxychloroquine saved him , and perhaps his doctor would draw the same conclusions and prescribed to others ..

when what actual happen wasHe just kicked it with no medical Treatment other hydration and tylenol. And he just stayed at home

His recovery isnt Anecdotal ... but if he was on hydroxychloroquine it would be considered anecdotal

Wayne, a local ABC News station, isn't trustworthy?

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-dru...quine/6079864/

You are so, so ignorant on this. I'm glad you aren't advising your dad (thank God his case is mild, I hope it stays that way!)

It's not for people with mild symptoms. It's mostly being reserved for people with severe symptoms, and many doctors have ghad success.

Obviously, if a person takes the drug and gets better, that doesn't necessarily mean the drug was the reason...perhaps they would have gotten better on their own.

But why are so many doctors saying that it's helping, in some cases? It's not 100% effective, nothing is. But why are so many doctors saying they are having success, with certain kinds of patients? They're all lying?

Just because you and Spence hate the fact that Trump was right about something, doesn't mean he can't ever be right bout anything.

That's all this is. If Trump said chloroquine could never help, you'd all be saying everyone should take it.

I'm no expert on medicine. I leave it to the experts. So when I hear doctor after doctor after doctor say that the drug has helped in certain cases, I have n reason to doubt them. You and Spence and CNN and MSNBC have a reason to doubt them - you hate Trump.

NO DOCTOR, not one, is denying that most who get it can recover with no medical treatment. What they are saying (and you'd know this if you'd take your fingers out of your ears), is that some very sick patients, are having success with the drug. They're not saying everyone needs the drug, they're not saying everyone is a good candidate to take the drug, they're not saying that everyone who is a good candidate will be cured with the drug. They are saying it helps.

You guys are completely out of your minds, and have turned this forum into an absolute waste, when it didn't used to be that way. It's not possible to have a rational conversation.

6000 out of how many doctors in the world?.. and you suggest I cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.

Jim there are more 6000 people who think the earth's flats but if they say hydroxychloroquine works you'll support their idea the earth's flat

Just like climate find anyone and present them alternatives to everyone else. And called a fact

You do understand that one of the more susceptible groups to complications from Covid-19 are those on Chemo-therapy, right?

Why wouldn't an oncologist be involved in the treatment regiment of their patients when Covid-19 is involved?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I'm not the one bringing politics into this, the TDS idiots are. I don't even know what Trump has said about the drug, I'm listening to the doctors. Despite the title of this post, I know Trump isn't a doctor, so I don't care what he has to say on the subject, I truly don't. You are ignoring the doctors, and doing so for purely political reasons.

As always with you guys, when empirical results don't align with your politics, you ignore the results and cling to your politics. YOU are making this political. For my money, it has NOTHING to do with Trump. It's you who can't separate trump from medicine. I never injected politics into this to begin with.

Try making that wrong.

The CDC and FDA are not prohibiting doctors from using the drug to treat covid-19. Why is that? .

"You do understand that one of the more susceptible groups to complications from Covid-19 are those on Chemo-therapy, right? "

See, you just ruined his theory that only a doctor from a discipline completely unrelated to this, could agree with Trump. He's clinging to the hope that no doctor qualified to render an opinion on this, could possibly agree with Trump.

Did you get kicked in the head at work?

You asked who the doctors are, that are saying they've had any success with it. So I provided a few links.

So you can conclude that every doctor in every link I posted, is incompetent.

"are more 6000 people who think the earth's flat"

How many of those, graduated from medical school?

You are desperately grasping at straws, and making an idiot out of yourself in the process.

Again you missing the point. He uses it with zinc another doctor uses it something elses. Aka the need for a study


Anecdotal evidence. Ask him if he is 100% sure if this is the cause of their recovery...

Jim you ingnore the thousands who are getting released from the hospital who have been on vents or hospitalized and released

Over your. Crusade. To prove hydroxychloroquine works and Trump was right :kewl:

anecdotal evidence not sure why you dont understand the concept

Maybe his patients were all ready on hydroxychloroquine

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...oxychloroquine

Clinical Trials Using Hydroxychloroquine
Find a Clinical Trial
Clinical trials are research studies that involve people. The clinical trials on this list are

No, I'm not missing the point You are saying there's no evidence that it works. That's demonstrably false. There is all kinds of evidence that it works, you just don't like the political implication that Trump might have been right bout something.

I don't give a frogs fat azz if Trump was right or wrong. Regardless of your opinion of Trump, the drug is having some success.

Why does this have anything to do with Trump? Why does he factor into this at all? Answer - you are obsessed with him.

If Trump never said a word about this drug, you'd be agreeing with me here.

What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number ,

You still dont understand when The POTUS speaks people listen .. even if what's spoken is a lie or wishful thinking or Anecdotal this the issue with Trump ,, we still dont know who's whispering in his ear about hydroxychloroquine is it you?

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/h...rus-trump.html

Please note an actual factual study. Conducted out of the country , so they cant be against Trump

I get that words matter from a president, I do. And if your tune here was limited to his specific language, that's one thing. But you're denying that this drug works, and you're doing it for one reason only - you are deranged with hate for one person who said it. Fine, just listen to the doctors. But you can't do that, because your hatred of Trump is more compelling than your instinct to believe a large number of doctors.

Everyone knows all about that "small study", which s why the drug isn't a good idea for everyone.

Pathetic.

Politics is all that matters, which s why the same people who said we had to believe Kavanaugh's accuser, now believe in innocence until proven guilty in the case of Biden.

And does this make my post any less valid???
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...99077X20300858

Again what's your metrics for success?

"What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number , "

I don't have an exact number (thought I know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than you do), but when doctor after doctor after doctor says they are having success in certain cases, I figure that's very unlikely to be a coincidence or a pro-Trump conspiracy.

"we still dont know who's whispering in his ear about hydroxychloroquine is it you?"

I think you might be disabled. Trump is just listening to the same kinds of people that I'm listening.

Why do you doubt all those doctors who say it's working? What qualifications do you have, do conclude that they're all full of BS?

Everything you said in this entire thread, is gibberish.

It wouldn't be any less vaild.. however re watching Ingrams interview.

Never heard the guy saying he was treating anyone with hydroxychloroquine

Never mind the 100s quoted in the article

Sweden has even put out direction to stop hydroxychloroquine


I still haven't gotten a reasonable answer where is Trump getting his hydroxychloroquine information,, seeing the CDC and FDA. And some of the best hospitals in the country are not experimentally using hydroxychloroquine

Yet Trump and Fox keep pushing it?

But many are using it.

All you care about regarding this story, is finding stupid quotes from conservatives you hate, and fanatically fixating on that. you are ignoring a lot of experts. I keep asking why you are doing that, other than politics.

The FDA has authorized its use to treat COVID-19.

https://bgr.com/2020/04/09/coronavir...covid-19-info/

You are so lost in your own genius and alternative universe..

You keep pounding a round peg in a square hole.. upset at people telling you it wont fit

I personaly doubt most ideas and suggestions that are not based on a solid foundation and only supported by anodotal evidence. Sorry I know that word hurts
your head

Again if your willing for or your family to take hydroxychloroquine. Seeing you know a hell of a lot more. Your free to do so...

I would take if if it was shown effective. Via testing But that hasn't happen ,

And your spreading miss information by suggesting hydroxychloroquine is only beeing used on very sick people. Refer back to the original story in the texas and the nursing home

What did I post that you could possibly interpret as my touting my own genius? I said ten times, I'm confident listening to the actual geniuses (doctors) tons of whom are saying that in certain situations, the drug works.

I'm no genius. But unlike you, I am capable of processing facts which don't support my ideology.

"I personaly doubt most ideas and suggestions that are not based on a solid foundation and only supported by anodotal evidence. Sorry I know that word hurts"

What "word" are you saying hurts? You rattled off a sentence there, not just one word.

Whew. You can have the last word, this is an utter waste as always. Hope your dads case stays very mild.

The one he spelled wrong :rolleyes:
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Maybe it's one of the words in his accusing you of "spreading miss information"? It might hurt her. Or, maybe, she might like it.

miss congeniality....meet miss information