your defense of
pelosi and diblasio is that they’re not the president. you didn’t try to claim that their statements weren’t stupid.

you said the speaker of the house, and the mayor of nyc, shouldn’t be criticized because they’re not president.

i love it when people claim they didn’t say what jay just said.
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big deal not defending his style. Pat yourself self on the back for that if you want. You and your ilk must have got really tingly when he stood on the stage and made fun of retards and spazzes. Did you feel a little tingle when he did that.
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paul, how could
you know that pelosi and
diblasio shouldn’t have known better when they made those statements? you defended them
by saying they don’t get trumps briefings. but how do you know, how could
you possibly know, what briefings they do get?

if you claim trump
should have known better in january, how do you know they shouldn’t have known better in late february?
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Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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We will sort China's responsibility out later with a different government.
Meanwhile we need to get thru this crisis in our country with the current "leader" who aligned himself with Xi and would rather be golfing.

He downplayed it.
He failed to take action, make no mistake the President is responsible for the administration of the federal government. It's his job.
He is ultimately responsible for the death of thousands of Americans.
If he doesn't feel that, WTF is he even doing in that office?

As someone quoted Eisenhower on this site several days ago: "Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well."

Leadership is not casting blame on anyone within range. When you point a finger remember that there are four fingers pointing back at you.

Now feel free to just kick my ball into the trap, like Trump*

OK, so when you don't cut and paste someone else's stuff and have to resort to writing your own, it often results in ad hominem bilge like your post here.

so you’re saying that trump knew more in january, than pelosi and diblasio knew in late february. how could you know that? i know that satisfies your need to put all blame in trump, but that doesn’t make it so.

your story is that trump knew how serious this was in january, but the speaker of the house, and the mayor of new york, didn’t know that in late february.

you’re sticking with that?
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Since you are the master of regurgitation or re-visualization, you are not exhibiting presentable footwedge skills at all.

It must be tiring to be on the continually failing team, especially when they told you that you would get sick of winning, or did they say whining?

Oh, by the way
Tomorrow we will be way past "someday like a miracle it will go away". Fifty thousand past that.

Exactly . . . or whatever

A couple of simple questions

The USA has the most comprehensive spy satellites, analysis systems and intelligence analysts in the world.
True or false?
The USA knew in mid to late December that traffic was severely diminished in Wuhan.
True or false?
The intelligence community failed to alert the administration of this when they knew it?
True or false?
In combination with other intelligence reports, WHO reports and allied intelligence there was obviously something happening in the Wuhan vicinity.
True or false?
Nobody knew.
True or false?

Elementary!

Tic
Tac
Toe
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I love when Paul gets a new word or phrase and then uses it repeatedly.....:hihi:

For the tenth time, how do you know what briefings Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio had?

I heard Biden briefed them from his basement

Sorry, I already had that word in my vocabulary as it has been used here repeatedly. I just decided to lower myself to Jim's level and insult him with the same type of insults he throws out around here. Given your constant review of anyone's posts who doesn't bow down to Trump's failings to try to find a typo or think of something snarky to say, I would have thought you would know that

Trump*s next presser will replace Fauci with Dr Phil, a Michigan militia guy with a "Coronna can kiss my Confederate ass" tattoo, and 3 family members of people who died of the flu during Obama's presidency.
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this is childish

well pete...you are usually right about these things :rolleyes:

Here's a question, with zero insults...how do you happen to know what briefings Pelosi and Diblasio have had? Doesn't it make sense that the mayor of New York City (of all places) would be told everything he needs to know during a pandemic, so that he can make wise public policy decisions?

Wait, now I know what happened...Trump knew in January that it was bad. But he lied to Pelosi and Diblasio, because he wanted them to tell their constituents (all of whom vote democrat) to keep going out in public, in the hope that everyone in San Francisco and New York City would die before the election. That must be it.

That debate is going to be one for the ages.

Do you have any proof they were in the briefings w/Trump or given briefings with the same type of info? Did Navarro call Pelosi or diblasio after he briefed Trump - or did Trump say "let's go brief Pelosi as I want her to have the same type of info. I had"?

By what conceivable logic would you assume that the mayor of New York City was kept in the dark about a pandemic?

ANSWER: the logic which is based on the notion that everything bad is 100% Trumps fault.

Think for a minute about the assumptions you are making. Trump should have known in January that we needed a lockdown, but the speaker of the house and the mayor of NYC didn't know that in late February? That's plausible to you?

more highly educated logic...or something...supposedly

And you fail to note Trump's long history of failing to inform anyone (or exclude them from info)who doesn't agree with him politically on things that matter.

Where did anyone say Trump* should have done a lockdown in January?
Someone is making stuff up again to justify his narrative
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Another vivid demonstration of sensibility.👍🏿
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National security adviser Robert O'Brien has accused the World Health Organization of being "a bit of a propaganda tool for the Chinese," and said the White House is investigating whether money from China influenced the WHO's judgments during the coronavirus crisis.

O'Brien said China "controls" the WHO, and said the administration's investigation is intended to uncover how.


of course lets keep the blame away from Trump .. seems once again he is only responsible for the Positive things....:kewl:

I believe him
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Not sure what Trump has to do with what Pelosi and Diblasio said in late February?

as horribly as Cuomo, DiBlasio and Pelosi have treated Trump he's always been there for them when they needed him....heard the Governor of California thanking and praising Trump recently as well...

it's too bad some people insist on constantly being divisive and the media acts only as instigators and bomb throwers....pretty messed up really

Never been anything like it.

Make no mistake, Trump brings a lot of the negative comments upon himself with his tweets and passing the buck. But that being said, the liberals and the media have completely blown a gasket. They hate his guts and are fanatically dedicated to destroying him, even if it means pretending some of his policies haven't done a ton of good. They ignore everything positive, and never stop shrieking about the negative.

There are reasons Don the Con is asked tough questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh8QoZoAYkI

Obviously that's true, it's totally fair that his behavior and actions are discussed.

But how unreasonable would it be to ask for a speck of consistency, accuracy, fairness in the coverage? "Fair" to me, means when he screws up he gets held accountable, and when he does something well he gets some credit. How many times have you mentioned the benefits of the economy for his first 3 years? Or, and sorry to bring up a sore subject for you, saying he's evil for putting kids in cages when Obama started the practice and he gets a pass?

Governors Cuomo and Newsom have said a lot of positive things about Trump regarding the virus. Is that ever covered?

This is one of those short, out of context, misleading videos that you like to post that supposedly make Trump look incompetent, evil, stupid, wrong, and a threat to the survival of America, and possibly that of the world.

In actuality, the video not only selects part of the facts, leaving out the rest of the story, it turns the truth on its head. The truth is the opposite of what the video intends to portray. Here is an article by Ed Morrissey which relates a WaPo fact check by Glenn Kessler:

Consider this one of the dumber tropes to emerge from Democrats over the last few weeks of coronavirus theater, and — as Glenn Kessler demonstrates — one of the more easily refuted. The Democratic super-PAC supporting Joe Biden amplified an accusation bouncing around on social media of late, which is that Donald Trump so miscalculated the COVID-19 pandemic that he robbed the US of its personal protective equipment in order to assist China. That, they hint, is why America faces a PPE shortage now:

“Trump gave China more than praise. He shipped China 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies. Supplies we need now.”

Did Trump send masks and other PPE to China just when we needed it the most? No, Kessler says in his fact check at the Washington Post. All Trump did was supply the transport for private donations of PPE on the front part of the effort to evacuate Americans from China:

The ad says that “Trump … shipped 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies.” The impression left by the ad is that these were U.S. government goods, shipped on Trump’s order.

But these were actually donations by private charities and public companies for Project HOPE, an international health-care organization that has been operating in Wuhan for a quarter-century and helped establish a nursing school there. Usually, donors to Project HOPE arrange for charter aircraft to take their donations overseas.

For instance, as these shipments arrived in Wuhan, another shipment — 2 million respirator masks, 11,000 protective suits and 280,000 pairs of nitrile gloves donated by MAP International and MedShare — was sent to Project HOPE via UPS, which provided the transportation as an in-kind donation.

In the case highlighted in the ad, the State Department’s role was providing the aircraft. The department sent charted planes to Wuhan to pick up some 800 consulate workers, their families and other Americans. The planes otherwise were going to be empty on the way to China, so officials decided to fill the jets with goods donated by Samaritan’s Purse, the Boeing Company, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Intermountain Healthcare.

In fact, it didn’t cost taxpayers anything for shipping the goods, although that doesn’t apply to the State Department’s evacuation effort:

Money to help underwrite the effort was provided by Kenneth Griffin, a hedge fund manager who is chief executive of the investment firm Citadel.

How difficult was this to determine? Kessler did his own research, talking with Project HOPE’s CEO, but he also notes that the major donors involved all put out press releases at the time to highlight their charitable efforts. Those include Boeing, which chipped in 250K medical masks, as well as the Mormon Church, which added 220,000 more. Kessler also notes that the World Health Organization was pleading for donations of PPE from around the world in an effort to contain the outbreak to China — which by February 7 was already a lost cause, thanks in large part to WHO’s parroting of China’s propaganda:

"There is limited stock of PPE and we need to make sure we get it to the people who need it most in the places that need it most. … WHO discourages stockpiling of PPE in countries and areas where transmission is low.”

In other words, the same people who are hyperventilating over Trump’s snubs of WHO are now trying to blame him for something Trump didn’t do in the first place — and for actions that WHO demanded at the time. Only Democrats and demagogues could possibly square that circle.

At any rate, the PPE never did belong to the US government, and Trump didn’t have any authority to seize it, either. If he had seized it in early February, the same people pushing this nonsense would have hyperventilated over that, likely calling Trump a racist and xenophobe for not helping Chinese victims of the Wuhan plague. Kessler gives American Bridge 21st Century two Pinocchios for this false attack:

The line in the ad is carefully, even cleverly, worded, keeping it just shy of the Three Pinocchio mark. But it’s misleading enough to earn Two Pinocchios.

The entire left is saying he blew it in January, that he should have done much more. Sorry, I leaped to lockdown. You've been posting nonstop that he didn't take it nearly seriously enough. So can you tell us what you think he should have done in January, based on what he knew at that time?

You're saying that the travel restrictions (all he did) wasn't nearly enough. But you say I'm wrong when I say the left wanted him to implement the lockdown that we are currently living with. SO tell me, then, if you think he should have done a lot more, what specifically should he have done, if not the current lockdown?

There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.
As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"
The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox. Just how does the Swanson heir criticize or put Trump* down, tell us again.

And then in closing you spout your fallback incantation, But Obama, it seems to be reassuring like a rosary for you.

You still seem unable to comprehend the difference in that under Presidents Bush and Obama they made a conscious decision to have separation occur when parents or guardians where charged with a serious crime.
Under this clown they made sure to separate all of them as part of their government sponsored kidnapping policy, with the hope that it would act as a deterrent.
Of the Eighteen Thousand children separated by this administration Three Thousand still have not been reunited and the official who successfully ran the office to reunite them has now been reassigned by the White House Loyalty Assurance office to another position. How dare the media report that.

The old cause and effect. If Bush and Obama had shut off the excessive illegal immigration, if the leftist and the corporatists had not encouraged it for either votes or cheap labor, this would not have happened. If the illegals had not, with encouragement and help from various politicized groups, came in processions of caravans of thousands, this would not have happened. And if this happening creates a reverse crisis that makes it all go in the opposite direction, that will be a corrective.

Certainly Trump made some agreements and provisions to stem the tide. If the illegal problem gets solved, there won't be the separations. If measures that result in separations along with the rest of what Trump is doing stop the excessive flow, it will be a good thing. Politicizing the separation is counterproductive. It is meant to be so.

There has been a long train of phony measures to stop the huge numbers of illegal immigration. The longer that goes on, the more draconian the measures to stop it may become.

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There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.

Nonsensical narrative. Actually the nonsense occurs daily at the WH "briefing"

As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He tries to balance what he considers the bigoted political characterization of him spewed out daily by the left.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This country was rising not sinking until the virus hit. Of course, like the Russia hoax, phony impeachment, and constant barrage of fake news, the virus presented yet another chance to bring Trump down. Never let a crisis go to waste. So far, the "ship of fools" has gotten it right re the hoax and impeachment, and you got it wrong. You have been the fool.
Trump* used every tool possible to give life support to the oldest bull market in history. The trigger for it's collapse was a virus but the collapse was inevitable. Meanwhile he increased the deficit, just like all his recent Republican predecessors. The only deficit hawks in this country seem to be Democrats.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

I don't know who "no one" is looking to for leadership. I don't even know who "no one" is. I also don't know why the United States should be the leader of "no one" or everyone, or of the world, in this crisis. I don't think we should be concerned with jingoistic notions of being "the leader." And making Trump be the symbol who represents the leading country and we the puppets who voted for him is a Maoistic cult of personality.

The whole notion is essentially authoritarian--which I thought you oppose.
The USA has been the world leader with a plan since the second world war. It has never been about who our leader was, it was that we were consistently one administration after another, willing and able to lead, point out injustice, work against autocratic regimes and promote democracy. Apparently none of that makes any sense in your view of our place in the world.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

You don't have to counter with extremism, exaggerated characterization. Stay calm.

Nothing extreme about that, though what you claim is the typical Trumplican argument: if you object you are an extremist!

The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox.

More extremism, exaggeration, mischaracterization. And, anyway, The Press has always had a bias.

There has never been a symbiotic relationship between the press and the administration like Fox and Trump.

And then in closing you spout your fallback incantation, But Obama, it seems to be reassuring like a rosary for you.

You still seem unable to comprehend the difference in that under Presidents Bush and Obama they made a conscious decision to have separation occur when parents or guardians where charged with a serious crime.
Under this clown they made sure to separate all of them as part of their government sponsored kidnapping policy, with the hope that it would act as a deterrent.
Of the Eighteen Thousand children separated by this administration Three Thousand still have not been reunited and the official who successfully ran the office to reunite them has now been reassigned by the White House Loyalty Assurance office to another position. How dare the media report that.
The old cause and effect. If Bush and Obama had shut off the excessive illegal immigration, if the leftist and the corporatists had not encouraged it for either votes or cheap labor, this would not have happened. If the illegals had not, with encouragement and help from various politicized groups, came in processions of caravans of thousands, this would not have happened. And if this happening creates a reverse crisis that makes it all go in the opposite direction, that will be a corrective.

Certainly Trump made some agreements and provisions to stem the tide. If the illegal problem gets solved, there won't be the separations. If measures that result in separations along with the rest of what Trump is doing stop the excessive flow, it will be a good thing. Politicizing the separation is counterproductive. It is meant to be so.

There has been a long train of phony measures to stop the huge numbers of illegal immigration. The longer that goes on, the more draconian the measures to stop it may become.

Prior to 911 the border was much more porous. Mexicans and Central Americans came and went with the seasons. We gained their low cost labor, they gained our dollars and went home every year to see their families and had better lives. Pretty much a mutually beneficial relationship. Unless you did not like cheap produce.
For the most part they came to parts of the USA that used to be Mexican.
In the recent past we have #^&#^&#^&#^&ed around in Central American Governments and pretty much screwed them up.
Then we walked away and only paid attention if they looked like they might be more socialist than we thought they ought to, quick send the CIA.
Now we have a problem on our southern border that will not go away without some hard diplomatic and development work.
This administration doesn't seem to have any interest until China or Russia pops up in that area and all of the sudden we remember the Monroe Doctrine.
A lot of work needs to happen there on a multitude of fronts to reduce problems there and here, spanning issues from poverty to addiction.
I doubt this clueless crowd of dilettantes is capable of putting together a coherent policy for anything, never mind the issues in Central America

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