Like all other humans, including all past POTUS's, he sometimes makes mistakes. Maybe he thinks that under a presidential national emergency a President has total power. Wait for the papers :rotflmao:

Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

nothing this administration says, can be true. everything is a lie. if trump says “ two plus two is four”, these people would shriek “the hell it is”.
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"So far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States and you wonder if the press is in hysteria mode"

Do you think Trump was lying when he said he believed Xi?

Dead to date 91,306

Don't be Eric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3UjNTnME4o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yOv4PwttM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk

You too. And don't be Adam Schiff. He's probably told way more significant lies than Eric.

do you think chinese had a virus net to stop it .. we couldn't stop it and still can't but you expect a different standard from the chinese


I doubt millions left wuhan to travel the world I do know

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip,

Jim thats what happens when you Lie ...please read the fable of the boy who cried wolf


Trump and his administration have squandered all the credibility they had long before Covid 19 ...

I'd say you guys, the ones who keep saying life as we know it cannot survive Trump, are the ones who need to read it.

I agree he's a liar. That doesn't mean every single thing he says, even the obvious, is false. You guys have a reflexive reaction to everything he says and does, a reaction that doesn't involve your brain at all.

You're saying China had no way to stop its residents from boarding international flights, and no way to stop foreigners from entering?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Again, you have to immediately embrace any anti-Trump explanation you can come up with, no matter how absurd it is. There's overwhelming evidence of what China did.

We "didn't" stop it. Not the same as "couldn't". We could have stopped it, but you all would have had exploded heads if Trump immediately banned anyone from coming or going back in December.

Taiwan stopped it, and they were way, way more at risk than we were. They had the will. We didn't even want to allow Trump to restrict travel from China, they all said the virus wasn't that bad.

When Trump wanted to act early on, they said he was overreacting. Now the same exact people, say he didn't do enough. That is a clear cut example of wanting to have it both ways. A common liberal trait.

China had no way to limit travel more than they did. How can you say that with a straight face?

So with a straight face are you suggesting China should have detained Americans from returning Home or other foreign nationals from returning.. funny you have great hindsight when it comes to China
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you dont seem to have the same hindsight with Trump's response


lets keep this simple.. do you agree with Navaro yes or no


Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders



saying they could have done more is not the issue. of course they could have done more Same goes for Trump..

But that's not what Navaro said : is it ...


and if yes How so??

Jim when Are you just going to give up its Him not us thats the problem


US President Donald Trump has said he is taking hydroxychloroquine -

Speaking at the White House, he told reporters he started taking the malaria and lupus medication recently.

"I'm taking it for about a week and a half now and I'm still here, I'm still here," he said.



Asked on Monday what was his evidence of the drug's positive benefits, Mr Trump said: "Here's my evidence, I get a lot of positive calls about it.":kewl:

I agree that not notifying the rest of the world that it had a problem with a novel coronavirus that was transmittable from human to human deliberately left the world vulnerable to the spread of the disease because it left countries who received travelers from china with no heads up to either restrict such travel nor to temporarily quarantine and test for travelers that did arrive from China. By the time the truth became known, it was too late to stop or severely limit the spread.

Yes, China did deliberately allow the virus to spread outside its borders.

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine cause a wide spectrum of neuropsychiatric manifestations, including agitation, insomnia, confusion, mania, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, catatonia, psychosis, and suicidal ideation. Stopping the drug could lead to resolution, but symptoms may not quickly resolve.
Now we can see the unfortunate causation for Trump*s recent rants.
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"Trump's glaringly obvious absence on the global stage colliding with his very public spiral as he loses his grip on the crisis... And his administration appears to be forming a circular firing squad with his trade advisor publicly blaming Trump's CDC director"
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Attaboy, keep firing those mighty blanks.

Trump* is moving into the Late Elvis stage of presidency. Everyone around him trying to make as much money as they can fast and the doctor is giving him whatever he orders up.

Elvis is still an idolized American icon.

Pete, are Trumps numbers collapsing, especially in swing states? CNN did a recent poll that had Biden up nationally, but had Trump up big in the swing states. I still don't know that I see Trump winning, but he's not collapsing the way you are trying to portray it.

Since the first huckster walked the planet, people who sell fake cures always pretend to take them.

Is Trump manufacturing hydroxychloroquine?

I honestly can't follow much of that gibberish. If you want to deny that China was grossly negligent in this, that's fine. The Gallup poll showed that America approves of the way Trump is handling this.

Meanwhile, Gov Cuomo defied all logic and forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents, when he knew there were tons of available hospital beds, and lots of people died as a result. This is irrefutable, yet the media won't touch it. DO you have an opinion, by any chance? Is that Trumps fault?

Funny how a yes or no answer is gibberish. On the use of the word deliberately...

Yes Fox has been trying to attack Cuomo

But the truth is. From the article. We can’t say for sure” whether the virus has spread because of the patients transferred under the state mandate,
But on fox that part doesn't matter and seems your hindsight only applies to everyone but Trump

seeing my wife works in a nursing home who 3 weeks ago tested all residents and staff had 2 postive and 1 staff postive all on a Covid floor ( if positive or if they went to the hospital, they stayed for 14 day when then returned then to their room if no symptoms)

They just had 32 new positives in 2day this week on a different floor , not in NY in MASS. So fox blaming Coumo isnt a surprise. Or them blaming china or the CDC anyone but Trump I get it ..

Moral of the story is nursing homes have the most vulnerable populations many have DNR,s and are older it's a perfect storm and its spread by Staff , it's a horrible fact , and there is not a thing you can do to stop it.. trust me they are trying to stop it .. wait till the states who have opened up full speed and all those nursing homes in those states allowing families to visit again . It's not going to be pretty,,,,

so you have no problem with forcing nursing home to admit covid-19 patients. at least when prominent democrats give such orders.

my company provides professional liability insurance to nursing homes. many nursing homes will be sued, simply for following that idiotic order. because people died. we, and other carriers, will in some cases be asserting that cuomo did this.

what does your wife’s home have to do with this? is it in NY? no one is saying that every nursing home
death in the country is because of cuomo. what we’re saying is that because nursing homes are so vulnerable, it’s beyond stupid to force them to admit covid 19 residents. a nursing home isnt a hospital.

i am not in the habit of dodging questions. i couldn’t understand your previous email.
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Not likely, manufacturing things is never part of a con.
He’s just pushing it and nobody told him about the side effects.
Remember “I take no responsibility at all”.
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He has mentioned the side effects several times. Actually, nothing you said here makes any sense.

I make no sense, listen to this fool.

He is spinning his failure into a good thing and you applaud him.

If a million were dead, he would tell you it could have been 2 million, but for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGsXD47oF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJENCKjF-o

Your spinning it as his failure. And he wasn't saying that an actual larger number of cases would be a good thing, but that the greater amount of testing finds more cases (the greater number to which he was referring) than would otherwise be known.

I would think that would be considered a good thing for those who consider testing to be the answer since finding more of the actual existing cases can result in more effective tracing and a better chance to contain the spread.

I'm sure that if a million were dead, you would say that if Obama or Biden were President there would have been only a few thousand or less dead.

It's so simple you cant follow along

Covid 19 is so contagious no matter if Cuomo never made them take them even it was to open beds in hospitals... its was going to get in nursing homes. , Hence wife's nursing home example they didn't get people from the Hospital and they still got hit and hit hard ,,

But with your mioptic view you only see what Fox tells you to see... cuomo equals. Nursing home deaths
And Trump taking hydroxychloroquine equals cure for covid. Neither conclusions are evidence based s what a surprise












EVERY NURISING HOME IN AMERICA IS FACING COVID 19 RAVAGING THEIR FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM...

and your always going to have some ambulance chaser wanting to sue because a 98 year old died. that's what they do at that age ... it's not Neglect if they get covid 19. IT Just sucks


More than 16,000 nursing home residents and staff have died from COVID-19, representing roughly a quarter of the nation's known coronavirus deaths. While dire, this figure is an undercount, experts warn, because not all states are publicly reporting data yet. In some states, more than half of coronavirus deaths have come in nursing homes.

https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/heal...es-deaths.html

So somehow you know, that forcing nursing homes to accept covid-19 patients, didn't cause anyone else to get infected. Your background and experience qualify you to make that conclusion?

I've seen emails from doctors at nursing homes begging the state not to be so stupid.

"EVERY NURISING HOME IN AMERICA IS FACING COVID 19 RAVAGING THEIR FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM... "

I work in this space for a living. There are plenty of nursing homes that are unaffected - call it luck, call it aggressive quarantines, but many are unaffected. I do this for a living, this is part of my job. My underwriters and I talk to nursing homes every single day about what their exposure has been. I talk to 5 or 6 nursing homes a day, every single day. Many are fine.

So when you say every nursing home is ravaged, what are you basing that on, exactly? The one home your wife works at?

Ask ANY nursing home director if admitting covid-19 residents was a good idea. For Gods sake man, most nursing homes wouldn't allow visitors who tested negative. But they'll allow residents who test positive?

Obviously, even without that idiotic law, many homes would get ravaged. That doesn't mean the law didn't make it worse.

Anyway, I'm very very interested to know your expertise in this area that renders you qualified to draw that conclusion. And if Cuomo was a republican, you'd be blaming him for every nursing home death in NY.

No, what I would say is

1. He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression.

2. He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty.

3. So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

4. Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?
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"He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression"

(1) The thing is, you didn't give him any credit for the economy, before the impact of the virus.
(2) we aren't in a depression, no one is starving, people aren't losing their homes in big numbers, investment bankers aren't jumping out of windows. The economy didn't fail, it didn't even sputter. We chose to turn it off. Some states are slowly opening back up, and there's every reason to believe that most lost jobs will come back.
(3) I don't think most people blame Trump for the effects of the virus. Back in December, no one was advocating for the policies that might have helped us keep the virus out. In fact, most democrats and media pundits said that the one thing Trump did (restricting travel from China) was an over reaction.
(4) recent polling shows that Americans trust Trump on the economy more than they trust Biden.
(5) the Dow was at 20,000 when he took office. 3.5 years later, it's at 24,500. Is that a Depression? Unemployment is a disaster.

"He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty."

The polls don't suggest that. Attached is the most recent one I could find specific to the virus, he was at 50-50. So you can shriek this all you want. People don't agree with you. His personal behavior at the briefings was predictably bad. His policies, are not unpopular. Ask Govs Cuomo and Newsom.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/309593/...situation.aspx

"So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

nope. He can legitimately claim some credit for what the economy was doing before we deliberately shut it off. He can claim some credit for the federal stimulus policies that are popular and that have kept the DJIA in the mid-20s, which I can't believe it didn't go much lower than that. He can claim credit for the fact that deaths will be nowhere near what was originally predicted. He can claim that Biden, as VP, was part of an administration that was likely involved in some serious fishiness regarding the Russia claims, and you can bet that Durham's investigation will conclude at a time most beneficial to the re-election. He can claim credit for keeping us safe from jihadists. He can claim credit for appointing the kinds of judges that people who elected him, wanted him to appoint. He can claim credit for helping to decrease tax rates for 60% of Americans, and for incentivizing American companies to bring back $2 trillion in profits that had been stored overseas. And he can claim that his opponent is a senile old jerk who can no longer string two sentences together, who is best known for being a democrat attack dog who calls everyone who opposes him, a racist...and who also has a problem with women. He can claim that Biden said that Trumps travel restrictions were an overreaction (meaning he didn't think the virus was serious enough to do that). He can claim he has been a friend to the unborn and to Christians.

That's not the whole story, obviously. There's all kinds of fair criticism. He's a jerk, he didn't build the wall he promised, etc...but if you think he has nothing to campaign on, we will see how wrong you are.

"Because he thinks his voters are stupid. Is he right?"

What do you think an intelligent Republican should do in November, Pete? Stay home? Vote for Biden? Move to San Francisco and become a folk singer of sociology professor?

It's more likely that he thinks people like you are stupid.

The Stable Genius demonstrates his intelligence

"per capita relative to what?"

“When you say per capita, there's many per capitas...”

Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

Trump campaign email yesterday to PA supporters: “Request your ballot and cast your vote from your own home.”

I don’t need to make stuff up like President Tweety and his accomplices
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And yet you do.

"Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud" - said Jimmy Carter, when heading a 2005 report on federal election issues. Jimmy Carter.

When Donald Trump and Jimmy Carter both agree on the issue, it's pretty mush settled. That's the whole spectrum. Except for you. You are further out in the tail than both of those guys.

The art of the selective quote
Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

Trump campaign email yesterday to PA supporters: “Request your ballot and cast your vote from your own home.”

He has less of a coherent message than his supporters
If you have no core belief, you never can sustain one.
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Voting by mail does not help Democrats more than Republicans and does not incubate fraud — but does generate a bit more turnout, a pair of academic studies out Thursday conclude.

The twin reports, one from Stanford and the other from the Union of Concerned Scientists, come as the debate about making elections more flexible in the face of the coronavirus has become increasingly partisan.
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since democrats are the ones who ignore the obvious and deny that mailing in ballots is prone to fraud, obviously they feel it helps them.
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Did you vote back when you were deployed?

no one ever said you get 100% fraud with mail. but are you denying it’s easier to commit fraud with mail in ballots, than it is with voting in person?
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