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Sea Dangles 05-22-2020 07:30 AM

Bitchslappedboy is not paying attention.
Liberal fool��

detbuch 05-22-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1193821)
I read what you wrote, a lot of blaming others for Tweety's inaction.

No, that's not what I wrote. What I wrote was a response to your comparing how Obama handled Ebola vs Trump and COVID-19.

You did not read what I wrote.

Yes, I did, and responded directly to what you wrote.


And nobody is giving China a pass, just trumplicans giving Tweety a pass.

If you don't point out or even discuss China's culpability, you're giving China a pass. Pointing out over the top criticism of Trump is a response to that criticism. Not responding to criticism of China is ignoring it and quietly giving China a pass.

Look at any number of other countries with smaller government agencies, less medical expertise and see how they did.
Nobody had magic, just payed attention and lead.

Some have done better, in numbers, than others. Being a smaller, less diverse, and less complex country would help in doing better. Being as large, diverse, and complex as the U.S. makes it more difficult. The U.S. is doing better than several (even most) other, even smaller, countries. The Wuhan virus is a PANDEMIC, not an epidemic such as Ebola is. COVID-19 is a worldwide problem that was caused to be so not because of the failures of all the world's nations, but because of China's failure to quickly report and contain it.

Focusing strictly on some presumed failure of the U.S., of, specifically Trump, is an intentional distortion, in my opinion, a politically motivated distortion of reality.


As I said

If Tweety has listened to our intelligence agencies rather than his good friend Xi many Americans would be alive today.

Yeah, you keep saying that, but never tell us exactly what the intelligence said. And the intel chief has said that your inference is wrong.

Tweety was more worried about cutting a “deal” with China than pushing Xi for access.
When you get your intelligence from Fox and the leader of a totalitarian government and don’t trust our organizations because you believe in wacko conspiracy theories you end up where we are today.
The Stable Genius is surrounding himself with more toadies everyday and expertise is not top of the list of qualifications.

And you end with your usual flourish of unsubstantiated, wacko, conspiratorial, opinion.

Pete F. 05-22-2020 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1193828)
And you end with your usual flourish of unsubstantiated, wacko, conspiratorial, opinion.

Now do Obamagate:
Four years ago, there was a global conspiracy—comprised of President Obama, Vice President Biden, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director Jim Comey, much of the FBI, the DNC, a company called CrowdStrike, multiple foreign intelligence services, and Ukrainian oligarchs—to undermine Donald Trump by planting a phony conspiracy theory that he was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election. These deep state operators framed several top Trump officials, fabricated evidence, and spied on the campaign with the end goal of committing the biggest fraud in American history in order to derail Trump.

And they kept it all secret till after the election, because..........

detbuch 05-22-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1193835)
Now do Obamagate:
Four years ago, there was a global conspiracy—comprised of President Obama, Vice President Biden, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director Jim Comey, much of the FBI, the DNC, a company called CrowdStrike, multiple foreign intelligence services, and Ukrainian oligarchs—to undermine Donald Trump by planting a phony conspiracy theory that he was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election. These deep state operators framed several top Trump officials, fabricated evidence, and spied on the campaign with the end goal of committing the biggest fraud in American history in order to derail Trump.

And they kept it all secret till after the election, because..........

The Mueller investigation did not support the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians. What you characterize here is being investigated. Information is dribbling out that gives credence to the investigation. As in the Mueller thing, we have to wait before making any conclusions.

Of course, asking you to wait would be futile.

Pete F. 05-22-2020 10:41 AM

Have you read the Mueller report?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

detbuch 05-22-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1193842)
Have you read the Mueller report?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I read his conclusion.

Pete F. 05-22-2020 12:25 PM

A whole paragraph
Some people never read anything that disrupts their view of the world.
I think there might be a condensed version on YouTube certainly as exciting as Molyneux or Bingbong
Don’t miss Volume 1
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Jim in CT 05-22-2020 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1193850)
A whole paragraph
Some people never read anything that disrupts their view of the world.
I think there might be a condensed version on YouTube certainly as exciting as Molyneux or Bingbong
Don’t miss Volume 1
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

So you're saying that while the summary concluded there was no proof of collusion, the report says there was. That's what you're saying?

Then there's the under-oath testimony of numerous Obama officials just released, where all of them admitted under oath they had zero knowledge of any collusion between the campaign and Russia. They all said very different things on TV.

detbuch 05-22-2020 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1193850)
A whole paragraph
Some people never read anything that disrupts their view of the world.
I think there might be a condensed version on YouTube certainly as exciting as Molyneux or Bingbong
Don’t miss Volume 1
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Molyneux and Bongino have been right about far more than the sources you trot out about the collusion and impeachment hoaxes. Bongino has written a book, Spygate, which is being proven prescient by the various documented discoveries being uncovered now. His daily youtube show consistently explains events that are happening now before they hit the mainstream. It appears to me that your one of those "some people" you speak of that don't read or watch things that disrupt their view of the world. And then you congratulate your ignorance by marginalizing and concocting disparaging labels for those you avoid listening to.

Pete F. 05-22-2020 01:37 PM

IV. CONCLUSION
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

Individual 1 has a number of charges that he could face after his term in office, in addition to the items memorialized in the Mueller Report the investigation of which he obstructed.
He needs to win to beat the statute of limitations.

detbuch 05-22-2020 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1193861)
IV. CONCLUSION
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

Just because I said I read the conclusion doesn't mean I didn't read anything else. I had read a whole lot more. I had read what you posted here.

What you have posted here refers to the second part of the report which dealt with obstruction. The "does not exonerate him" applies to the obstruction charge, not to the conspiracy charge which was dealt with in the first part of the report.

You originally responded to my saying that the Mueller report did not support the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians--which was a response in support of your Obamagate "to undermine Donald Trump by planting a phony conspiracy theory that he was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election."

The first part of the report, which dealt with conspiracy, concluded that there is insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy against the Trump campaign in relation to Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

So, as I said, the Mueller report does not support the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with Russia. So Obamagate may have some legs. That remains to be seen. I doubt that the DOJ will reach as high as the President, maybe, if at all, may charge some operatives in the FBI or CIA. Maybe Durham won't find sufficient evidence to charge anyone.

As I say, some of us wait and see. You seem to want to, by gleeful implication and conjecture, predict some criminal outcome against Trump, just as you implied and conjectured that Mueller would prove that Trump was a treasonous Putin Puppet, and that Trump was going down because of a whistleblower, etc.


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