""miniscule threat" who are you to make that"

Let's go really, really slow here.

I don't make it a miniscule threat. The data says it is.

9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police in the whole country in 2019. Nine.

18 blacks were murdered in Chicago (one city) on May 32 (one day).

Are you going to tell us with a straight face, that urban violence isn't a much bigger threat to blacks, than cops? Based on what?

I go where the facts take me. The facts here, couldn't be more clear.

As Scott said, conservatives don't generally riot. It's almost always liberals who do that.

Look at what places look like after the tea party has had a rally, or after the armed guards protesting state houses (which I didn't like for the record, but the fat is there were no issues).Compare that to what it looks like after liberals (occupy wall street, antifa, BLM, these potheads in Seattle).

If you owned a restaurant across from a park, who would you rather see protesting in that park? The tea party, antifa, BLM, or Occupy Wall Street?

Have fun with that one.

That would equate to .0000028% of the US population
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Ph#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g-A, the PROBLEM was in the MINNEAPOLIS PD, who should have gotten rid of the INDIVIDUAL LEO, who had DOZENS, yes DOZENS of complaints, write ups, incidents, call it what you want. He was a BAD APPLE! Put his azz in a cell and throw the key away. I saw enough on the video. So has the world.... But don't condemn the whole system of LAW ENFORCEMENT... An overhaul and review of each and every force might be in the cards, no doubt. Get rid of the bad guys. Perfect opportunity to out them now, without risking the unwritten rules of the police brotherhood. But defunding???? Come on. The country has gone mad....

and while one is too many, it’s not an epidemic. it doesn’t even approach the impact of urban violence within the black community. not even close.
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complete madness....this is getting interesting...

Boston College issues public apology for allowing cops to use restroom: ‘It will not happen again’
June 11, 2020

Yes, I wasn’t sure what rights, as laid out by the constitution, were being violated.

Free speech?
Bearing arms?
Freedom of assembly?
Freedom to representation?
Freedom from unwarranted search and seizure?

Shall I continue?
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It’s really incredible that even now you continue to fail to realize these are different things.
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Like i said liberal with gun excersing his 2a rights bad ...conservative with a gun excersing his 2a right good ..

What could go wrong



Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

Who did this liberals

You know why conservatives dont riot. Their to old
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no I think you've got it correct...if your neighborhood is taken over and occupied by a mob and your local and state government won't do anything about it the Constitution(US and State) is meaningless...you have no rights except those granted by the mob...

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Is there evidence that this mob is robbing people of their constitutional rights?
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I think he realizes it, that's his point.

If Black Lives truly do matter, why are we putting maximum effort to fix something that cost 9 lives in all of 2019 in the entire U.S. and so little effort into trying to fix something that cost 18 lives, last weekend, in just 1 U.S. City.

It's a valid question
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amount of trouble when those conservatives showed up
with guns? zero, as usual.

pissed off liberals with guns = dead cops.

there’s the difference.

now, i asked you if you thought that cops were anywhere near as big a threat to blacks, as other blacks in the cities?

how about answering the damn question?
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no, there is clearly no evidence that a mob taking over a portion of an American city and establishing armed check points and declaring it an autonomous zone is taking away anyone's rights...I'm sure every resident and business owner, property and person who may have worked in that area is happy with the situation......


there is quite a bit of evidence that the Seattle mayor is insane however and has no intention of protecting her citizens..

"Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan on Thursday defended the protesters who have declared an “autonomous zone” on the city’s street as “patriotic.”

In her remarks to the press, Durkan also said President Trump’s threat to send in federal resources to crack down on the protesters was “unconstitutional and illegal.”

“Unfortunately, our President wants to tell a story about domestic terrorists who have a radical agenda and are promoting a conspiracy that fits his law and order initiatives,” Durkan said, according to Patch.

“It’s simply not true. Lawfully gathering and expressing first amendment rights, demanding we do better as a society, and providing true equity for communities of color is not terrorism. It’s patriotism.”

LAWFUL GATHERINGS? I bet if they were occupying her neighborhood she'd have a completely different view

https://youtu.be/KafIdOk8bLs


I'm thinking about getting some guns and some friends and taking over a block or two around a couple of nice drinking establishments this weekend...maybe bring some spray paint and do some artwork and throw some bricks.....call it "patriotic" and "peaceful protest".....because I'm feeling woke

.....good grief

At least we agree they aren’t taking anyone’s right away, or at least that there isn’t evidence of it
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We can do both
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This happened 100 years ago and the economic effects of this and similar events had long lasting effects.
But only blacks riot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ItsPBTFO0

ok:love:

What could be done about police violence, real or imagined?
First of all we could track what is happening, we don't.
Police Departments are being accused of violating citizens Constitutional rights.

The Federal Government actually has an entity created to make sure that the Constitution is followed.
It was created after the Civil War to ensure that the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments were followed.
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It's called the Department of Justice.
It doesn't have jurisdiction over looting, vandalism, and even assault as they are all state crimes and may have some jurisdiction over rioting in some cases.
But it does have the power to examine pattern and practice in law enforcement organizations.
A systemic review of some police organizations starting with Minneapolis, Buffalo, NYC etc. would be well within it's purview.
But Barr refuses to do that.
One would think that he would apply the same diligence and enthusiasm to investigating law enforcement organizations at the state level as he has at the Federal level, it is a core responsibility of the organization he leads.

Even Obamacouldnt fix Chicago.his own state....
This selective outrage has folks temporarily twisted.
Black lives matter
But mostly only because they have been victims of a white citizen.
When they kill each other it is something to ignore
Shift focus and the libs play along.

one would think the woke democrat mayors of those cities who oversee the police departments in those that you mentioned and the other woke leftist cities would have done so....isn't it their responsibility, if this is a major problem in their cities...??? aren't they listening to their constituents, the people that elected them? What is stopping them??

But we don’t
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Honest to God, I wonder if I will live long enough to once hear a liberal say, "man did my side blow that, we were so stupid."

We can do both, but we don't. We ignore the obvious, more serious problem...and we focus on the smaller problem, and worse, we do it in a way that makes us hate each other. We create all this division, over something that's not even a rounding error.

Why would we do that? Why would the people who run one party, create all this division, over something so rare? To help win elections.

And every time we go down this road, innocent cops get murdered. We know that will be a consequence. But still, the liberals parade out Al Sharpton when this happens. The people pulling the strings know what's going to ensue, there will be tremendous cost and almost no benefit to black lives. But they do it to get the mob good and worked up.

It's not just that, the entire left pretends that the real problem or urban violence doesn't exist (because the left helped create it, and therefore discussing it doesn't help them win elections), so they need something else to focus attention on, and they fanatically fixate on the very rare issue. It's mind boggling.

I've asked WDMSO twice, and he's hiding under his bed, because he knows there's no reasonable answer.

If you say that black lives matter, but you know the name George Floyd and don't care to know the names of the black cops murdered, or the names of anyone murdered in Chicago, then black lives don't matter, certain black lives matter. The ones that benefit you politically.

That's all this is.

they won't

Buffalo's Mayor has been in office since 2006
NYC 2014 before him Bloomberg 2002
you can read the list of Minneapolis and Seattle Mayors
Chicago has had democrat mayors since 1931

these are the people responsible for appointing police commissioners and overseeing the police department who are now acting like they have nothing to do with anything.....and encouraging the mob

Pelosi has been in Washington since 1987 and she just discovered there are Confederate statues that need to be removed :rotf2:

I encourage these mobs to relocate their newly formed countries to the property immediately surrounding their respective mayor's homes...be sure to bring lots of spray paint and Molotov cocktails and firepower....maybe some popcorn and movies too.....I would encourage them to take whatever they need in their show of "patriotism"....I hope we get to see the reactions of these mayors when it's their neighborhood and home that is under siege :hihi:

just a matter of time....


On Wednesday, the Seattle Police Department said it would try to reopen the East Precinct, and Best was able to visit the location on Thursday. “Our calls for service have more than tripled,” she told reporters. “These are responses to emergency calls — rapes, robberies, and all sorts of violent acts that have been occurring in the area that we’re not able to get to.”

I guess CHAZ Fire and Rescue and CHAZ PD will respond to these calls for help

Interesting that when CHAZ was founded, the first thing the lefties did was put up a wall, and then have people with AR-15s man that wall. Almost ironic and hypocritical, in a way.

They didn't put up a wall, they just moved some barricades to block cars after a white nationalist drove into the crowd and shot a protester. I think I've read one or two people with guns have been reported. The police have walked back the reports of extortion which were just rumors.

It seems like this is more of a block party sit in that anything else :doh:

Fox is pushing the Wall part,, so are their minions

Jim we are talking about cops killing unarmed civilians many who are Black .. but you want to compare drug dealer A killing Drug dealer B cant ask for a bigger attempt to avoid the topic at hand ... :btu:

Jim doesn't realize that the issue is much deeper than just cops using excessive force on black people.

Except guys carrying AR-15s. And graffiti.

Yu ant to embrace that side, you want to embrace the ideal of Zonker Harris at Wesleyan, knock yourself out.

I realize everything you realize, and many things you don't.

To improve black lives the most, you address the things that negatively impact those lives the most. Cops aint close to being #1 on the list, not even close.

Fatherlessness, welfare addiction, crappy public schools. All are things that destroy the quality of black lives, all are issues that liberalism has made worse.

I am talking about black lives. Which has a greater negative impact on all black lives? Cops, or urban violence? I presume there is a reason you are doing everything you can, to avoid answering that.

I'm the only one talking about things other than cops using excessive force. Takes some serious liberal logic to conclude that the only person mentioning the deeper issues, is the one with no grasp of those issues. I suppose the ones who deny the bigger issues, are the ones with the best grasp of those deeper issues?

I have an idea. Let's take a huge group of people. Let's annihilate the notion of the nuclear family, do everything we can to promote fatherlessness within that community. Let's make many of them addicted to welfare, rob them of the natural human instinct to get ahead. Let's tell them religion is useless. Let's refuse to let them choose to send their kids to better schools (interesting, since liberals like to pat themselves on the back as being pro choice). And when that all inevitably results in huge ghettos full of those people, let's tell the world that white cops are to blame for it all.

That's what democrats have done for blacks. Make that wrong.

Oh, and let's put an abortion clinic on every corner, so that their numbers don't get too crazy.



That's what your side has done. The late, great, liberal Daniel Partick Moynihan saw it coming in the late 60s or early 70s. He was dead on.

What about the people who live and work there, who don't want to be swallowed up by a days-long block party? Do they matter at all to a fine, upstanding Bolshevik like yourself?

sounds like everybody hates everybody over in that forward thinking progressive bastion ....I thought they had all of this stuff worked out???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV_xhb5P0KM

Someone is :lossinit:

You would think that the population of blacks in the Republican States would be doing much better than their cohorts in the Democratic States.

They are not.

But..But..But.......