I know ,, still waiting to see that video scott saw showing that. And the one of the kid just minding his busines out for a stroll having to defend himself 3 different times

The kid... the seventeen year old kid should have been at home, not out openly carrying an AR-15. He wasn't necessarily a better shot, he was definitely better armed... Furthermore, he tripped and fell. He was not beaten before he fired. And what was he thinking? Clearly he was not acting as a member of an organized militia. He was out for adventure, IMO. (NOT mind reading here, Jim.) Hell, if I was out there, (big if, mind you) and I see a young gunman running down the street, not wearing a uniform that I know, hell yeah, I am more than likely ready to train my weapon on him as the immediate risk. As I said, he was lucky it was just fools out in the streets that night.

Ross that’s way to logical, they don’t respond well to if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck; nope they see a turtle.

My mom would have kicked my butt.
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a sincere question...he wasn't wanted on a warrant for committing a sex crime against the mother of his kids?

If what Pelosi did is OK, why cant the salons open so that other citizens can enjoy the same services she received?

Have fun answering that.

I'm sure #MeToo would have a different perspective
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What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there?

He was being chased by several men. When he fell, they started to swarm on him, one appeared ready to stomp on him, then he opened fire. At that point, it looked like self defense to me. But, maybe the trial will bring out whatever the truth is, or bring out whatever the truth is supposed to be according to those who will make the final judgment.

As far as his age goes in determining whether he is a misguided fool or a supposed hero, we still have Greta Thunberg, same age, out there stumping for climate control. She is celebrated, honored, glorified, especially because of her age--almost an insult to all the adults who sit quietly at home and say nothing.

I guess it depends on which "side" your on if it's OK, or even really good, for a 17 year old to jump into the fray.

I missed the part where Greta shot people.... Maybe it was on the sailboat and word never got around.... :huh:

Look, I am not agreeing or siding with protestors here. But I will try to make an unbiased decision about right vs wrong when it comes to the use of firearms and deadly force. This isn't political. Every damn thing seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. This is not an all or none world...

Ask the owner she allowed it..

Jim are you responsible for a restaurant adherence to board of health standards ...

I went to a brewery the other day and said we were just having drinks

Was told you must order food you can't just drink

A perfect example of who knows the rules of the state and town ordinance..

But do what you do best ansking the same question differently expecting a diffrent answer
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I responded to age being an issue. And nobody chased Greta with intent to seriously harm or kill her. I'm just guessing. Don't know for sure. But if several men did chase her down because of what she said, and she had a gun, I'm guessing you'd be OK with her shooting them.

First, it's not true that all those older "protesters" were unarmed, as you edited my post to say, one of them chasing him had a pistol and another during the chase fired a shot in the air.

I agree that everything seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. Except I don't think that it is merely "seems." It is intentional. Making it about Trump is the way to hide real issues and intents.

Just for the sake of argument, take Trump out of the equation and every thing else remains the same. Analyzing it that way might clarify what is actually happening.

the salon owner doesn’t make laws. pelosi does.
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it appears the lefts opposition to mistreating women, is highly selective. which means it’s fake.
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She made an accusation he touched her inappropriately or something. Not nothing but also not confirmed or rape by any standards.

was there a warrant for his arrest?

and man oh man, NOW we see you play the “innocent until proven guilty” card. whenever the accused is sympathetic to liberalism, they are presumed innocent. is that how it works?
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penetration with the finger, without consent, isnt rape?
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I've not read that is what occurred. Not arguing he's a great guy but not worthy of 7 shots in the back.

that’s what i saw, on CNN actually. that’s not why he got shot. he got shot for repeatedly and violently resisting the non-lethal ways the cops tried to subdue him.

the cops didn’t pull up
and shoot him without warning.

spence, do you have any doubt that he’s be alive if he just complied?
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Well, he's not dead for one thing. It's most likely he wouldn't have been shot but given widespread mistrust of the police within black communities and recent events like George Floyd I can see where he could have been concerned about his safety.

Sorry, good correction. Of course he would not have been shot.

The mistrust of police is based on a false narrative, on the wildly distorted way the left reports this. Look at the data, it could not be more clear.

George Floyd was completely out of his mind, one of the medical examiners ruled he had (or may have had?) a fatal dose of fentanyl in him.

Breanna Taylor (is that her name?), that was a horrible horrible mistake by the cops. But it happens. Poice work is, by nature, occasionally life-and-death. Mistakes will happen. Not every mistake, is rooted in racism.

Most of the country disagrees with you.

I agree, because of the inaccurate way it's spun on every network except one.

The data does not disagree with me. I rely on data, not what Al Sharpton says.

9 unarmed blacks killed in all of 2019? With almost a million cops out there?

Gimme a break.

We need to address the fact that blacks still get pulled over for no reason. But there is no epidemic of race-based police brutality. It doesn't exist. It obviously does not exist.

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

I notice you didn't point out any errors I made.

If you look at the number of unarmed people killed by cops by race, and compare that to each race's makeup of the general population, unarmed blacks are a disproportionate share (but the number is so small, it has no meaning). But if you compare the numbers shot by race to each race's share of population in urban areas (which is where these things happen), unarmed blacks are not a disproportionate share.

You have nothing to bolster your argument, except the Sharpton-like rantings of shameless race baiters.

Article from the National Academy of the Sciences.

"We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings"

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

I think you forgot to read this part.

Besides, all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general.

what you say I forgot to post, has no real meaning.

"all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general"

Does this mean you'll concede that there's no epidemic of cops waking up, and deciding to shoot a black person?

I freely concede there's bias in things like traffic stops (the data is crystal clear). Not in the use of deadly force (the data is crystal clear).

Actually it invalidates your argument

The data isn't crystal clear. First off your report only looks at events where there's a fatality, the Jacob Blake event wouldn't even count as a statistic. Second, your own report states "The uncertainty around these estimates highlights the need for more data before drawing conclusions about disparities in specific types of shootings."

Another swing and a miss

Not in California she doesn't

But please keep bringing up the women who illegal allowed Pelosi to enter her salon ... and went on Fox and told on herself
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Pelosi is in the third most powerful position in the US government. And I don't know w woman, not one, who doesn't know the local rules for salons.

She screwed up here WDMSO, even some of your fellow liberals were able to admit as much. It was a gift to republicans, and to come out swinging against the salon, is another gift. She's a cunning and very very sharp politician. She's also a disgusting, wretched woman.

"Actually it invalidates your argument"

Not even close. It said while there were no racial disparities, they couldn't disprove racial biases. Nor could they prove racial biases. But if a million cops were engaged in a race war, wouldn't there be SOME evidence of racial disparities in the data? There's nothing. Zip.

If the best you can say is "well the data shows no disparities, but that doesn't mean cops don't distrust blacks", fine, go ahead and cling to some nebulous, unprovable nonsense.

The data is crystal clear that cops are not engaged in an epidemic of racial assassinations of blacks. The data could not be more clear on that.

Your "data" only involves shootings, is from one year, only factors in fatalities and repeatedly states that more data and analysis is required.

That's not very crystal clear.

Oh, so cops are engaged in an epidemic of racist murders, but they aren't shooting their victims. Are they poisoning them? Lynching them?

Do you have any data to back up what you're saying?

It’s crystal clear if if fits your narrative
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9 unarmed blacks killed
by cops in all of 2019. show us how good you are at math. what does that suggest to you?
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The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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And the leader of the united states told Voters to vote twice

NO criticisms of Putin

He said the case was "tragic" but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.

US President Donald Trump has ordered federal agencies to stop racial sensitivity training, labelling it "divisive, anti-American propaganda".


Trump calls ' diversity training. anti-American


Yet to you She's also a disgusting, wretched woman.

MAN you have some serious mommy issues