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detbuch 09-22-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201279)
You're right! Other than the fact that this will mean less federal government authority, other than that, its exactly like the rise of Nazism. Because that's what Hitler was all about! Reducing the scope of his own authority, and increasing local authority. Right?

Nebe, when you're trying to tell us that a smaller federal government scope, which necessarily means more state and individual power, is tantamount to the Third Reich, we see how insanely out of comebacks you are. You have nothing. Zilch.

Try again.

Maybe he thinks Trump is going to invade Poland.

Got Stripers 09-22-2020 04:06 PM

I’m for term limits and I don’t think judges elected for life really reflect America evolving and changing with the times. Three term is more than enough a IMHO, then go back to private practice and PAY for your own heath care and retirement.

scottw 09-22-2020 04:17 PM

this is great....buzzy dies and trump gets to nominate her replacement and the republican senate gets to confirm the nominee...all perfectly constitutional

and...


the dummies respond by threatening to pack the court, eliminate the electoral college, impeach trump daily, make new states etc. because they think that will ensure they will be in power forever...
and and now...suddenly... term limits for judges


the left is crazy and dangerous....:rotf2:

Pete F. 09-22-2020 08:03 PM

I hear lots of high-minded talk during the Supreme Court fight from "conservatives" about the Constitution, the right to life, the rule of law, limited government, honoring the vision of the Founders, etc. I remember that the people making these arguments support Donald Trump
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Jim in CT 09-22-2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201303)
I hear lots of high-minded talk during the Supreme Court fight from "conservatives" about the Constitution, the right to life, the rule of law, limited government, honoring the vision of the Founders, etc. I remember that the people making these arguments support Donald Trump
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So you're saying that Biden should be the preferred candidate of the pro-life voters?

detbuch 09-22-2020 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201303)
I hear lots of high-minded talk during the Supreme Court fight from "conservatives" about the Constitution, the right to life, the rule of law, limited government, honoring the vision of the Founders, etc. I remember that the people making these arguments support Donald Trump

They're supporting their party. Can't win if you diss your own. We're talking politics here. Trump has pretty much been held within current constitutional bounds.

Of course you think he is a constitution busting dictatorial NAZI. His judge picks are more constitutionally oriented than picks that the Dems would make.

Pete F. 09-22-2020 10:58 PM

In your view
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Jim in CT 09-23-2020 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201310)
In your view
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based on facts.
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Pete F. 09-23-2020 06:06 AM

As he said, party before country and one man clearly controls that party
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Jim in CT 09-23-2020 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201313)
As he said, party before country and one man clearly controls that party
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show me where he said party before country, please? Hearing voices? Off your meds?

Pete F. 09-23-2020 07:03 AM

“They're supporting their party.“
That’s exactly what he said
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Jim in CT 09-23-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201318)
“They're supporting their party.“
That’s exactly what he said
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OK. And why do you make the leap to 'party over country'?

Common sense suggests that when one joins a party, one does so because they feel that party's agenda is better for the country, than the agenda of the other party.

YOU don't always support your party? Not always? Not every single time?

Pete F. 09-23-2020 07:18 AM

Poor Jim, it’s been obvious for the past three years that for Trumplicans it’s the man that counts.

It was a big story the first time Trump
1) held a rally during a pandemic
2) made bigoted attacks on Rep. Omar
3) praised the assault of a journalist

Last night he did all three... and none of it is breaking through. It's just the accepted behavior of the president now.
And perfectly ok with Trumplicans
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Jim in CT 09-23-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201321)
Poor Jim, it’s been obvious for the past three years that for Trumplicans it’s the man that counts.

It was a big story the first time Trump
1) held a rally during a pandemic
2) made bigoted attacks on Rep. Omar
3) praised the assault of a journalist

Last night he did all three... and none of it is breaking through. It's just the accepted behavior of the president now.
And perfectly ok with Trumplicans
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I asked you a very simple question - aren't you a prime example of someone who always supports his party? Youi respond with a Trump attack.

"for Trumplicans it’s the man that counts"

Exactly wrong. I despise him as a man. For his supporters, it's his policies and results that count. I hate his ethics. I like his agenda.

Tell me that's not the same logic democrats used to defend their support for Bill Clinton? To this day, in the era of #metoo, Bill Clinton is still worshipped among democrats. So spare me your phony sanctimonious bullsh*t. Democrats liked what Bill Clinton did (as did I), therefore they are more than willing to overlook his disgusting moral compass. We do the same thing with Trump.

But it's OK when you do it, a character flaw when I do it? Spare me. You can't have it both ways Pete. What's good for the goose...

You have an appetite for humiliation today, I see.

Pete F. 09-23-2020 07:48 AM

Sorry Jim, my agenda has always been that the barking carnival clown is unqualified and incompetent.
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Jim in CT 09-23-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201326)
Sorry Jim, my agenda has always been that the barking carnival clown is unqualified and incompetent.
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What does it say about the flimsiness of your beliefs, that when I ask a simple but challenging question, you cannot come close to answering?

Destroyed, yet again.

I asked you about how it is that democrats can lecture about the need for character, when Bill Clinton is still a hero? You respond to that question, with orangemanbad. it's all you got. Except you don't even have that, because I concede he's a bad person, but like you with Clinton, I'm supporting his policy agenda.

But again, it's OK when you do it, bad when we do it.

Pulverized, like Ralphies glasses in A Christmas Story.

Pete F. 09-23-2020 08:15 AM

You are a sad, sad little man.
Your measure of your self worth is dependent on your belief that you won an argument on the internet.
Tweety’s happy that everyone is arguing over Ginsberg’s replacement while he’s gave what is on the surface an anti-China speech at the UN--but listening to his Chinese counterpart speak, Trump's speech did China & Xi a favor by allowing China to present itself as the more responsible country, one that believes in international cooperation.
But pay no attention to that or the fact that even holding both houses and the presidency he couldn’t kill the ACA and now will do it with right wing activist judges.
Where is Trump's health care plan? There are just six weeks till Election Day. How has he not released a health care plan? Where is it? Why won't he release it? What is he hiding? Or does he still not have one, after dozens of promises over years to release a plan? Where is it?
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wdmso 09-23-2020 08:56 AM

Exactly wrong. I despise him as a man. For his supporters, it's his policies and results that count. I hate his ethics. I like his agenda.

Funny did that type of thinking work for Germans.

I hated Hilter the man and his killing of jews. But i like his results and agenda

Jim you can't go fishing with a child molester or rapist and claim your only with them for the boating and fishing

You own Trump the good the.bad and the ugly ... didn't your catholic back ground teach that?

Your like the rest of the conservatism lost rudderless no morals ethics purely Transactional


Also why now can the senate do a court justice but not a covid relive bill. Or would that just help blue states so f it ?

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1201337)
Exactly wrong. I despise him as a man. For his supporters, it's his policies and results that count. I hate his ethics. I like his agenda.

Funny did that type of thinking work for Germans.

I hated Hilter the man and his killing of jews. But i like his results and agenda

Jim you can't go fishing with a child molester or rapist and claim your only with them for the boating and fishing

You own Trump the good the.bad and the ugly ... didn't your catholic back ground teach that?

Your like the rest of the conservatism lost rudderless no morals ethics purely Transactional


Also why now can the senate do a court justice but not a covid relive bill. Or would that just help blue states so f it ?

WDMSO, Bill Clinton is a serial, lifelong abuser of women, and he is a hero among democrats, got a prime speaking gig at their convention.

So I'll ask you the question Pete can't answer. If it's OK for democrats to overlook Clintons awful morals and admire his political accomplishments, why is it comparable to Naziism when Republicans do the same with Trump?

You have fun trying to answer that.

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201333)
You are a sad, sad little man.
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I can easily and happily answer every question you have ever asked. All you do is dodge and insult.

detbuch 09-23-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201333)
But pay no attention to that or the fact that even holding both houses and the presidency he couldn’t kill the ACA

So what you said, "it’s been obvious for the past three years that for Trumplicans it’s the man that counts" and "one man clearly controls that party" is not true?


and now will do it with right wing activist judges.

Constitutionalist judges are not "activist."

Where is Trump's health care plan? There are just six weeks till Election Day. How has he not released a health care plan? Where is it? Why won't he release it? What is he hiding? Or does he still not have one, after dozens of promises over years to release a plan? Where is it?

The Constitution does not give the President the duty, nor the power, to create national health care plans.

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1201337)
Exactly wrong. I despise him as a man. For his supporters, it's his policies and results that count. I hate his ethics. I like his agenda.

Funny did that type of thinking work for Germans.

I hated Hilter the man and his killing of jews. But i like his results and agenda

Jim you can't go fishing with a child molester or rapist and claim your only with them for the boating and fishing

You own Trump the good the.bad and the ugly ... didn't your catholic back ground teach that?

Your like the rest of the conservatism lost rudderless no morals ethics purely Transactional


Also why now can the senate do a court justice but not a covid relive bill. Or would that just help blue states so f it ?

"You own Trump the good the.bad and the ugly"

Fine. Then to the same exact degree, you own Clinton's ugly deeds as well as the accusations against Biden.

Fair enough?

"didn't your catholic back ground teach that?"

My Catholicism makes it crystal clear that there's only one party to support. Here's a hint, it's not the party that celebrates 9th month abortions and tramples on the rights of the Little Sisters Of The Poor.


"lost rudderless no morals "

Anytime you'd like to have a rational, sane comparison of each others moral compass, I'm game.

I'm the one being consistent. You are the one with no morals or rudder. You say I own Trump (which is ridiculous), but you'd never admit you own Clintons character or Bidens. Only you get to support immoral people without having a stain. Its evil when the other side does it, perfectly OK when you do it. Because CNN said so.

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 09:32 AM

WDMSO and Pete, it would be helpful to me, if you could explain how you justify the left's continued worshipping of Bill Clinton, given how you criticize all of Trumps supporters for not demanding better character from our side.

And what of the accusations against Biden? There's a rape accusation from a former staffer (not a deranged republican), and other accusations of misconduct from democrats. There's Biden telling blacks that republicans "want to put y'all back in chains". There's his plagiarism.

How come it's OK for you to overlook all that, but we are supposed to not support our flawed candidates? By what logic are the standards you apply, so different by party?

Pete F. 09-23-2020 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1201340)
The Constitution does not give the President the duty, nor the power, to create national health care plans.

Ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4STwwbRRURI

detbuch 09-23-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201344)

The President can't enact a health care plan. He can sign a bill enacted by Congress. In the video, he kept referring to "we." If the "we" is Congress, then it is not something he created and enacted. If the "we" are advisers to Trump drawing up a plan, Trump cannot enact it. He would have to submit it to Congress, and Congress would create the bill.

wdmso 09-23-2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201341)
"You own Trump the good the.bad and the ugly"

Fine. Then to the same exact degree, you own Clinton's ugly deeds as well as the accusations against Biden.

Fair enough?

"didn't your catholic back ground teach that?"

My Catholicism makes it crystal clear that there's only one party to support. Here's a hint, it's not the party that celebrates 9th month abortions and tramples on the rights of the Little Sisters Of The Poor.


"lost rudderless no morals "

Anytime you'd like to have a rational, sane comparison of each others moral compass, I'm game.

I'm the one being consistent. You are the one with no morals or rudder. You say I own Trump (which is ridiculous), but you'd never admit you own Clintons character or Bidens. Only you get to support immoral people without having a stain. Its evil when the other side does it, perfectly OK when you do it. Because CNN said so.


Bill Clinton is your response:kewl: your deep in the trump fan club any other imanagry comparison you what to make.? Ps last time i checked Catholicism cares more than just abortion. We know you don't. Your false comparison are endless.. your Transactional funny what your willing to over look or even forgive with Trump but you do not provide the same forgiveness to Clinton's or Biden.

So much for that Moral commpass you ke3p telling us you have

Pete F. 09-23-2020 11:43 AM

The president of the United States is trailing in the polls, can’t possibly win the popular vote, and wants to install a judge who supports him to the highest court in the land in order to help guarantee his re-election.

What would you call this if you saw it another country?

Pete F. 09-23-2020 11:46 AM

Dems nominated the first Catholic for president (1928), elected the first Catholic president (1960), and have had a Catholic on every ticket since 2004.

GOP has never nominated a Catholic for president or VP.

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1201357)
Bill Clinton is your response:kewl: your deep in the trump fan club any other imanagry comparison you what to make.? Ps last time i checked Catholicism cares more than just abortion. We know you don't. Your false comparison are endless.. your Transactional funny what your willing to over look or even forgive with Trump but you do not provide the same forgiveness to Clinton's or Biden.

So much for that Moral commpass you ke3p telling us you have

Bill Clinton was my question. A question I see you chose not to answer. You guys crack me up.

"imaginary comparison you what to make.?"

So I'm imagining that Bill Clinton gave a big speech at the DNC this year, and talked about character in the oval office! No irony there.

"Ps last time i checked Catholicism cares more than just abortion."

I'm sure you're an expert. But you're right,. Catholics also care deeply about helping the poor, an issue on which conservatives are superior. We care about strong families, an issue on which liberals could not be more wrong. I can go all day if you want.

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201359)
Dems nominated the first Catholic for president (1928), elected the first Catholic president (1960), and have had a Catholic on every ticket since 2004.

GOP has never nominated a Catholic for president or VP.

And JFK was some Catholic! You ;ecture me about Trumps moral compass, and you brink up JFK? A booze guzzling skirt chaser, who tried to hire the mob (through his family's deep ties) to assassinate Castro?

Oh man you are cute sometimes.

Biden isn't Catholic. You cannot be Catholic and be pro abortion, that's very clear, it's a binding belief. He says he's catholic. Saying you're catholic, isn't the litmus test. Living like a Catholic is the test.

Pete F. 09-23-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1201362)
And JFK was some Catholic! You ;ecture me about Trumps moral compass, and you brink up JFK? A booze guzzling skirt chaser, who tried to hire the mob (through his family's deep ties) to assassinate Castro?

Oh man you are cute sometimes.

Biden isn't Catholic. You cannot be Catholic and be pro abortion, that's very clear, it's a binding belief. He says he's catholic. Saying you're catholic, isn't the litmus test. Living like a Catholic is the test.

Now tell us how a catholic resolves executions, racism and refugees with the Pope's statements and with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Hypocrite



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtHx-fVhHic

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201368)
Now tell us how a catholic resolves executions, racism and refugees with the Pope's statements and with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Hypocrite



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtHx-fVhHic

"Now tell us how a catholic resolves executions"

Simple. First, killing a convicted murderer isn't the moral equivalent of killing an unborn baby. Second, Catholics are encouraged to be opposed to the death penalty, but it's not a binding belief like opposing abortion is. I'm opposed to the death penalty. The Catholic catechism doesn't advocate for executions.

Please stop, you've got me on the ropes, show mercy!

"racism"

Easy. We're opposed to racism. While the GOP certainly ain't perfect on this or any issue, I'll take our policies over liberalism any day. At the SOTU, which side celebrated lowest ever black unemployment, which side was miserable about it? How about you reconcile that?


"refugees"

Also easy. The GOP is fine with granting actual asylum. We don't like open borders, or shortsighted and stupid policies which encourage destructive behavior.

Notice how I answered every question. I'll give you a third chance to do the same.

What do you think of the fact that the Democrat party still reveres Bill Clinton? How is their willingness to ignore his many moral lapses, different from what you accuse Trumplicans of doing?

I answered your questions. Can you show me the same courtesy?

Pete F. 09-23-2020 01:40 PM

That’s what the pope said about those issues?
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Jim in CT 09-23-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201371)
That’s what the pope said about those issues?
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If you won't answer my question, will you tell me why you refuse to do so?

Pete F. 09-23-2020 02:54 PM

Because those questions have nothing to do with the problem living in the White House
No American political leader has ever been as incompetent, uneducated and unethical as Trump, not even close.
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detbuch 09-23-2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201378)
Because those questions have nothing to do with the problem living in the White House
No American political leader has ever been as incompetent, uneducated and unethical as Trump, not even close.
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There have been a lot of American political "leaders" in our history. Several have been less competent, less educated, and less ethical than Trump. That was easy to say. Don't have to prove it. Just as you can't prove what you said is true. But it was real easy for you to say. Unsubstantiated and hateful stuff like that flows out of your brain on nearly a daily basis.

Jim in CT 09-23-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1201378)
Because those questions have nothing to do with the problem living in the White House
No American political leader has ever been as incompetent, uneducated and unethical as Trump, not even close.
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The hell they don't. You criticize Trumps supporters all the time for overlooking his moral lapses. Yet that's exactly what you will do in a few weeks with Biden. And it's what democrats still do with Bill CLinton.

You have no answer, so you dodge like a coward. We get it.

"No American political leader has ever been as incompetent, uneducated and unethical as Trump, not even close."

Well, he pulverized Hilary, despite her having the media in her pocket. So, I think you'd have to say she's more incompetent.

Pete F. 09-23-2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1201379)
There have been a lot of American political "leaders" in our history. Several have been less competent, less educated, and less ethical than Trump. That was easy to say. Don't have to prove it. Just as you can't prove what you said is true. But it was real easy for you to say. Unsubstantiated and hateful stuff like that flows out of your brain on nearly a daily basis.

Every American who supports Trump should never be allowed to forget what just happened on that stage. After all the offenses against the nation and the Constitution, he refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If you support this man, you cannot call yourself a patriot.
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