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Jim in CT 01-14-2021 03:08 PM

GS, if you feel that trumps language led directly to the violence, can you explain why obama’s bashing of the police, isn’t the reason why cops were
killed?

When two black men were killed by police during the obama years ( in different states), Obama
said “these are not isolated incidents.”

That same day, just a few hours later, 5 cops were assassinated in Dallas.

I’d like someone to explain to me why the line between trump and the capital
rioters, is more direct than the line between liberals who vilified the police, and the murders of those cops.
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Pete F. 01-14-2021 03:48 PM

Ordinarily one cannot be held criminally liable for what one fails to do. But criminal law does recognize liability for one’s omissions when one has a legal duty to act. For example, parents can be prosecuted for failing to protect their children because parents owe a duty of care to their children.

The president has a sworn duty to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, a duty that in this case required him to immediately and unequivocally discourage his most ardent supporters from committing insurrectionary crimes once he realized they were occurring. Trump’s violation of that duty by failing to act makes him an accomplice to those crimes if he intended by that omission to assist or encourage those crimes. A strong case already exists that the president wanted his supporters’ insurrectionary crimes to continue in order to change the result of the election or at the very least obstruct the certification of his defeat. Recent press reports suggest that even stronger evidence might come to light. That intent, coupled with his oath of office, makes him an accomplice to those crimes if his supporters were even slightly encouraged by his inaction.

We do not yet know much about what Trump said or did in the White House while the Capitol riot was ongoing, although some press reports suggest he was lobbying senators by phone to vote his way for the election results and delaying deploying resources to quell the insurrection. Facts already known make clear that he violated these duties of protection, however. His supporters invaded the Capitol shortly after 2 p.m. Trump did not ask his supporters to leave the Capitol until 4:17, more than two hours after they first overwhelmed the Capitol Police. His 4:17 p.m. video message also repeated many of the lies about the election that motivated their crimes in the first place, pouring more gasoline on a fire that he was supposedly asking people to extinguish.

Got Stripers 01-14-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1208358)
GS, if you feel that trumps language led directly to the violence, can you explain why obama’s bashing of the police, isn’t the reason why cops were
killed?

When two black men were killed by police during the obama years ( in different states), Obama
said “these are not isolated incidents.”

That same day, just a few hours later, 5 cops were assassinated in Dallas.

I’d like someone to explain to me why the line between trump and the capital
rioters, is more direct than the line between liberals who vilified the police, and the murders of those cops.
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Jim give me a fu*cking break, this is the DIRECT result of Trump getting his radical white supremacy buds empowered to take action, you keep plodding on in defense, I know better. If this wasn’t a Trump presidency, ending the way it did, with the rhetoric he, his family, his lawyers, the extreme right media have been using since the election, I’d NEVER have seen that.

Hey on a side note I guess he doesn’t want to pay Rudy for his legal fees, classic Trump. I hope the senate convicts and we are done with him and paying his family money!

Sea Dangles 01-14-2021 05:23 PM

So you vote in a guy whose mentor was a Klansman🤡
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Sea Dangles 01-14-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1208355)
I support our elected officials, but when actions, policies and especially rhetoric turn into just a non stop stream of lies, I like all Americans can hope the administration succeeds, while at the same time be critical of them. Trump's influence to stir up the white supremacist crowd even showed it's ugly head on the golf course today. I was out ahead of anyone and couldn't believe what I picked up sitting the #2 tee box, the #3 tee box and on reaching the #2 green it just got worse. Four balls placed on the #2 and #3 tee and they probably hit 30 balls right off the #2 green. Clearly a decent golfer too, based on all nice square shallow divots and probably a wedge based on where I picked them all up just in front the #3 tee. Hard to believe a decent golfer would vandalize a green and unbelievable that crap is creeping into our recreational activities.

This is more likely a case of keeping the wrong company or putting yourself in a bad situation. I can tell you that would NEVER happen at Old Sandwich where the majority of members are certainly R. This is clearly a case of another liberal blaming Trump for anything that doesn’t go their way.

scottw 01-14-2021 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1208377)
This is more likely a case of keeping the wrong company or putting yourself in a bad situation. I can tell you that would NEVER happen at Old Sandwich where the majority of members are certainly R. This is clearly a case of another liberal blaming Trump for anything that doesn’t go their way.


Since Got Traitors was there participating in the golfing I think we should hold him accountable for the graffiti balls
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Got Stripers 01-14-2021 06:10 PM

You two are funny, I know this is a difficult time for you, you can get your game on over the next four years.
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Got Stripers 01-14-2021 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1208377)
This is more likely a case of keeping the wrong company or putting yourself in a bad situation. I can tell you that would NEVER happen at Old Sandwich where the majority of members are certainly R. This is clearly a case of another liberal blaming Trump for anything that doesn’t go their way.

OMG certainly that’s a given, when your better half had to shell out $400,000 buy in and then a $40,000 yearly dues, I’m pretty sure there aren’t working class Democrats (or republicans) playing there. Spoke to a guy who won a round there and was told in no uncertain terms, after your round, you can head straight to your vehicle.
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