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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216429)
Never a trope that Jim doesn't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nYUUhigTU

your video presumes that huge numbers of unmarried dads, provide the same “father” experience, as dads in the hime.

are you stupid enough to believe that? all those black babies born in the city to teenage girls, you’re saying those biological fathers are the same father figure, as the average dad who is married and in the home?

do you honestly believe that kids born out of wedlock have the same average “father” experience as kids born with a dad in the hime? are you that stupid? just because someone says it in a video, means it’s true?

go to an urban high school
sometime, ask the teachers about the dads they see at parent teacher conferences. and the dads they never see.
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216429)
Never a trope that Jim doesn't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nYUUhigTU

what bullsh*t!

at the 2:06 mark, the video shows a graph for a split second ( didn’t want to leave it up too long i guess), which shows by race, the % of dads who are involved with their children. blacks did great compared to whites.

then very quickly, it showed the stats by race, for dads who arent in the home. and that also showed that blacks compare well to whites.

what the narrator conveniently ignored, was that if you compare the stats on contact with children for dads in the home to dads out of the home, there was a huge decrease in the percentage of dads that were involved. that huge decrease was true for all races. and it’s common sense that would be the case. it’s hard to be an involved parent when you aren’t there. regardless of race.

i’m not saying black dads who aren’t in the home, are more neglectful than white dads who aren’t in the home. no one is saying that.

what i am saying ( and which your own video shows) is that when dads aren’t in the home, REGARDLESS OF RACE, they are much less likely to be a good, involved dad. your video explicitly confirms this at the 2:06 mark.

so my statement ( dads not in the home usually aren’t involved dads) is true, your own post confirms it.

and we know that black kids are far less likely to have a dad in the home.

but those two stats together, and you get the obvious truth that black kids are less likely to have a good, involved dad, because they’re less likely to have a dad in the home. that’s the fatherlessness holocaust in our cities.

lack of a dad in the house is bad, regardless of race. but it’s a much bigger issue for blacks, because of the rates of fatherlessness.

Yeah Pete, you’ve really got me in the ropes! Have mercy!

go to the 2:06 mark, look at the graphs on the left ( how i combed are dads in the home) compare to the graph on the right ( how involved are dads who aren’t in the home).

Idiot.




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wdmso 10-26-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216410)
not every buses that’s different from yours, is a paranoid conspiracy.

the social science couldn’t be more clear, the root cause of then issues facing blacks today is fatherlessness. i don’t say that because i like it. i say it because it’s true.

but all liberals want to do, is give them slightly larger welfare checks, where of course the welfare check is even larger when there’s no man around, which incentivizes fatherlessness. so after 50 years of this, it’s hard not to conclude that it’s intentional. either that, or your side is too stupid to see the evidence right in front of their faces.

it’s not some wild conspiracy. it’s what’s happening.
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liberalism is designed to keep poor bocks in the big cities, and to keep them poor and dependent on government so they have a reliable voting block.

That’s ^^^^ a conspiracy Jim

You did mention it sorry

inflicts a Holocaust of fatherlessness into blacks

Wow.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-black-father/

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...E&gclsrc=aw.ds


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) spoke out on the protests surrounding the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore, linking the violence to a "lack of fathers" in an interview with right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham

I came through the train on Baltimore [sic] last night, I'm glad the train didn't stop," Paul said, laughing.

I doubt Paul’s comments were for Ingraham’s black audience

Are there Black fathers not taking their responsibilities seriously? Of course.

Does that mean that Black fathers overall should be stereotyped as irresponsible? Only if you’re detached from the realities and nuances of Black life.

The “Black fatherlessness” anthem is sung mostly by conservatives eager to summarily dismiss empirically true claims of structural racism. Deadbeat dad noir is their reliable weapon of choice to extinguish claims that the white power structure harms Blacks.

https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2021/0...-black-father/

Seems to be a conservatives driven observation

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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1216436)
liberalism is designed to keep poor bocks in the big cities, and to keep them poor and dependent on government so they have a reliable voting block.

That’s a conspiracy Jim

PS you never mentioned black fatherless nor did I

Moving the goal post again shocking
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maybe it is a conspiracy, but that doesn’t mean it’s false. why does the media brutally go after the small umber if blacks who are conservative? an msnbc host said recently that Condaleeza Rice is a foot soldier of white supremacy. Nice.

you also claimed i made up a false conspiracy between the media and the democrats.

did you hear that nancy pelosi recently scolded the media for not doing a good enough job “selling” the $3.5 trillion democrat spending bill?

Why would speaker pelosi feel
like she should be able to expect the media to help her in this way? why do you suppose she was expecting more assistance from the media in “selling” her agenda to americans?

answer- because that’s what the media does, so pelosi was counting on it.
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Pete F. 10-26-2021 10:48 AM

So Jim, just what is your solution?
Sterilization?
Remove the children?
Make them go to church, oops Asians go least and blacks go most.

or Parental leave and support, child care and early childhood education?

Jim in CT 10-26-2021 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216439)
So Jim, just what is your solution?
Sterilization?
Remove the children?
Make them go to church, oops Asians go least and blacks go most.

or Parental leave and support, child care and early childhood education?

yes pete, my solution is sterilization.

it’s your side that puts an abortion clinic on every corner in the cities. you don’t want too many.

the solution is first, saying out loud the obvious truth that by far, by far, the best way for children to grow up is in a traditional nuclear family. we can stop saying masculinity is toxic. and most obviously, we can stop paying teenage girls a bonus for having babies without a dad around. that’s what we do today. the welfare check is higher if there’s no dad. that incentivizes girls to have babies without a dad. we can stop making sex more and more of a casual, transactional act.

when that welfare lunacy was proposed ( more money for childless fathers), the late great Daniel Patrick Moynihan ( liberal democrat senator from NY) brilliantly predicted that it would destroy the black nuclear family, which would be an economic and cultural disaster for blacks. that’s what he said, he was attacked for saying it, and yet he was exactly correct.

another great solution is to somehow get people to go back to church on sundays.

pete, asian families stick
together like glue. they work their fingers to the bone. guess what?? that works! we can point to that cultural model, and encourage others to emulate it. your side won’t do that, because to them the nuclear family is an anachronism, it’s not progressive.

again, i dont say “that works” simply because that supports my agenda. i say “that works” because the data absolutely could not be more clear, it just works.

obama had a unique ability to move the cultural needle
in the right direction on these issues. he did absolutely nothing.

the conservative solution to this problem, is to find what works, and somehow try to expand it. and to find what doesn’t work, and try to reduce it, to discourage it.

the liberal solution, is to repeat exactly what got us into this mess. more of the same. more welfare, more fatherless kids getting into to trouble. not even letting them choose to go to schools which work.

try making that wrong. you can’t.
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 11:36 AM

Pete, do you believe that Asian-Americans are somehow biologically superior to blacks? do you have reason to believe that if blacks behaved like asians ( families stick together, kids do 4 hours of homework every single day), that blacks wouldn’t have the same results?

you are frozen by that question. if you say blacks wouldn’t do as well, you’re a racist. if you concede they’d do as well, you’re admitting they don’t need liberalism, they just need to make better decisions.
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Pete F. 10-26-2021 12:18 PM

Ah, the Nancy solution
Just say no and get married
Ok
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216447)
Ah, the Nancy solution
Just say no and get married
Ok
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didn’t say that. but between STDs and unwanted pregnancies, it seems to me that there’s a meaningful downside to casual sex. not to you, though. good for you.

to the surprise of no one, you ignored my question about blacks and asians. you can’t go near anything that’s not pro-left. you just can’t.
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Pete F. 10-26-2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216448)
didn’t say that. but between STDs and unwanted pregnancies, it seems to me that there’s a meaningful downside to casual sex. not to you, though. good for you.

to the surprise of no one, you ignored my question about blacks and asians. you can’t go near anything that’s not pro-left. you just can’t.
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Because once again you have thrown out a red herring, to distract from the issue of existing and systemic racial inequality.
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216451)
Because once again you have thrown out a red herring, to distract from the issue of existing and systemic racial inequality.
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pointing to one groups success, and asking how we can get others to try and emulate that success, is a red herring? or just politically inconvenient for you?

makes all kinds of sense.

how can there be widespread racial
inequality, if Asians, not whites, are the most economically successful race in the nation?

the right wants to fix what’s wrong in the cities, that’s the last thing democrats want.
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Pete F. 10-26-2021 01:23 PM

Actually what Moynihan wanted and Nixon did was a guaranteed basic income, where nobody would be below the poverty level and there would be no strings attached.
By the way, the idea has re-emerged
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Pete F. 10-26-2021 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216453)
pointing to one groups success, and asking how we can get others to try and emulate that success, is a red herring? or just politically inconvenient for you?

makes all kinds of sense.
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What’s the point of your question?
Because Asians perform better in the educational system?
So do girls and you have expressed concerns about toxic masculinity.

You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216455)
Actually what Moynihan wanted and Nixon did was a guaranteed basic income, where nobody would be below the poverty level and there would be no strings attached.
By the way, the idea has re-emerged
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what moynihan didn’t want, was giving teenage girls a financial incentive to have babies out of wedlock. moynihan wanted a lot of things in life i’m
sure, but as pertains to this issue, he did not want government taking a wrecking ball to the black nuclear family.

every speck of evidence suggests he was right..
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216457)
What’s the point of your question?
Because Asians perform better in the educational system?
So do girls and you have expressed concerns about toxic masculinity.

You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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there are two points to my question.

(1) since non-whites are the most economically successful ethnicity in the US, it’s a stretch ( actually, it’s a pile of horsesh*t) to suggest there’s widespread racial discrimination.

(2). why can’t we expand in the approach that works amazingly well for asians, and advocate for policies that encourage other struggling groups to do the same things?

the main point was to bitch slap you into a corner from which you had no possible escape. because this simple post shows that the people
running the cities, don’t actually want blacks to do well, otherwise they’d be encouraging blacks to emulate the behavior of those who succeed.

i would never suggest that boys don’t do as well because of bigotry against men. i’d say it’s because they don’t work as hard. if i borrowed a page from your book, i’d say it was because the system is rigged against men, but i know that’s crap.

it’s your side that blames everything on race, making helpless victims out of blacks instead of giving them
the tools they need to succeed. because for democrats, the goal
isn’t to get them to succeed. the goal is to create a permanent underclass of reliable democratic voters.
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wdmso 10-26-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216437)
maybe it is a conspiracy, but that doesn’t mean it’s false.
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AMAZING :bgi:

wdmso 10-26-2021 02:12 PM

Texas reduces Black and Hispanic majority congressional districts in proposed map, despite people of color fueling population growth
The proposed congressional map also increases the number of districts where Trump would have had a majority of voters over Biden in 2020 and protects Republican incumbents who might have been vulnerable by packing their districts with more Trump voters.


BUT BUT CRT

if you can win on your own! or get more members to vote for your ideas Just cheat to win elections brought to you by the GOP

Pete F. 10-26-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216463)
there are two points to my question.

(1) since non-whites are the most economically successful ethnicity in the US, it’s a stretch ( actually, it’s a pile of horsesh*t) to suggest there’s widespread racial discrimination.

(2). why can’t we expand in the approach that works amazingly well for asians, and advocate for policies that encourage other struggling groups to do the same things?

the main point was to bitch slap you into a corner from which you had no possible escape. because this simple post shows that the people
running the cities, don’t actually want blacks to do well, otherwise they’d be encouraging blacks to emulate the behavior of those who succeed.

i would never suggest that boys don’t do as well because of bigotry against men. i’d say it’s because they don’t work as hard. if i borrowed a page from your book, i’d say it was because the system is rigged against men, but i know that’s crap.

it’s your side that blames everything on race, making helpless victims out of blacks instead of giving them
the tools they need to succeed. because for democrats, the goal
isn’t to get them to succeed. the goal is to create a permanent underclass of reliable democratic voters.
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You do know meth is bad for you
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scottw 10-26-2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216457)

You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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You do know that babies who have fathers who work get to see them after work, before work and on weekends and holidays right?
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1216468)
You do know that babies who have fathers who work get to see them after work, before work and on weekends and holidays right?
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good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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scottw 10-26-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216469)
good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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Also vacations
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1216470)
Also vacations
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if you read that, you’d conclude he thinks that all working dads, work 24 hours a day.
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scottw 10-26-2021 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216471)
if you read that, you’d conclude he thinks that all working dads, work 24 hours a day.
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He thinks some pretty funny stuff
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Pete F. 10-26-2021 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216457)

You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1216468)
You do know that babies who have fathers who work get to see them after work, before work and on weekends and holidays right?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216469)
good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1216470)
Also vacations
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216471)
if you read that, you’d conclude he thinks that all working dads, work 24 hours a day.
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1216475)
He thinks some pretty funny stuff
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Absolute proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.

Jim in CT 10-26-2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216476)
Absolute proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.

Pete, for gods sake, paternity leave applies to the first few weeks of a baby's life. Kids, especially boys, need dads for their entire childhood, not just the first 8 weeks.

Let me know if that's going too fast for you.

"who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers"

No one ever said it's "all" because of lack of fathers (hearing voices again). But it's the single largest contributor. The only folks who deny that, are those with a vested interest in denying it. In your case, that vested interest is a desperate, pathetic need to always protect your master, liberalism.

Pete F. 10-26-2021 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216463)
there are two points to my question.

(1) since non-whites are the most economically successful ethnicity in the US, it’s a stretch ( actually, it’s a pile of horsesh*t) to suggest there’s widespread racial discrimination.

(2). why can’t we expand in the approach that works amazingly well for asians, and advocate for policies that encourage other struggling groups to do the same things?

the main point was to bitch slap you into a corner from which you had no possible escape. because this simple post shows that the people
running the cities, don’t actually want blacks to do well, otherwise they’d be encouraging blacks to emulate the behavior of those who succeed.

i would never suggest that boys don’t do as well because of bigotry against men. i’d say it’s because they don’t work as hard. if i borrowed a page from your book, i’d say it was because the system is rigged against men, but i know that’s crap.

it’s your side that blames everything on race, making helpless victims out of blacks instead of giving them
the tools they need to succeed. because for democrats, the goal
isn’t to get them to succeed. the goal is to create a permanent underclass of reliable democratic voters.
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Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem why is that the highest number of Black Americans can be found in Texas (3.96 million), Florida (3.70 million), Georgia (3.54 million) or if you do it as a percentage of population It's Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia and Maryland.
Which Side controls those states?

There is a list below that you can rebut to prove that systematic racism doesn't exist.

There was a time where White people in America were not ashamed of racism and flaunted it openly. White racists documented for the world to see, their systemic efforts to build advantages for themselves, while simultaneously disadvantaging those they called a myriad of different names to separate them from membership in their group. In other words, racism was not hidden. The evidence of systemic racism is copious in books, manuscripts, memoirs, laws, public debates, legislative halls and numerous famous court cases.

To argue that systemic racism is a myth is to erase all of those sources of evidence. It is impossible to do so. So those who make the argument have been forced to use one of the oldest tricks known to man, they blame the victims for their condition. I’ve previously written about victim blaming on a number of occasions so I won’t rehash that here. Simply put, victim blaming is finding some characteristic shared by members of a class of people you want to treat poorly, and using that as the rationale for treating them poorly.

For Native Americans it took the form of blaming them for “wasting” the land by not using the land in the way Europeans wanted to use it. For Africans kidnapped and forced to work for free for two and a half centuries, America called them lazy and dumb while making them work sixteen to eighteen hour days and also making it illegal for them to learn to read and write. For those who one day were citizens of Mexico and then forced to be Americans with the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was calling their language and traditions uncivilized. Those who migrated from Asia were told their way of life was poisonous to this nation and they themselves were a “yellow peril.”

All of these things are copiously documented by White people. Their words in speeches, books, court decisions and numerous other places provide all the evidence needed to prove the existence of long-term systemic racism. Can people who want to shame other Whites into not learning this ugly history erase this evidence? Of course they can’t. Instead they try to double down on the lies we all learned in school about America. Lies are becoming quite the rage over the last four years.

If these deniers of systemic racism are right, then certain fundamental things must be either true or false. Let’s explore a long list of some of these things. Only a fool or liar would deny these things if they spent a little time at a local library or bookstore.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then people of African descent must have voluntarily left their families, friends, and communities by placing themselves in chains and sitting on the coast of Africa waiting for thousands of slaving ships over nearly four hundred years to arrive and take them to an unknown land so that they could work for free.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then millions of Indigenous people must have gotten together and decided that the millions of square miles of homelands they loved were worthless and should be given to strange men from afar so that they could disassociate themselves from their cultures and traditions.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Africans and Native people must have seen a great benefit in working for free from before the sun rose until well after it set, all to give the fruits of their labor to these people who called themselves Christians.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Native leaders who convinced their people to fight people with superior weapons must have just simply wanted to see their families and friends slaughtered for the pure fun of it.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Africans who escaped their captivity by fleeing to the brutal winters in Canada must have really preferred freezing to death to living in the comfort of what Isabel Wilkerson called the “warmth of other suns.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those people of European ancestry must have some real advantage intellectually, and never feared giving Africans a level playing field by allowing them to read and write for generations.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then African and Native women must have been detestable creatures that White men could only find sexually attractive as rape victims.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then White women who slept with Black men while their husbands and mates were away fighting the Civil War, had no attraction to the forbidden fruit known as “negro brutes” by their husbands.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then all of the African ancestored people called mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc. really did not have the blood of White rapists coursing through their veins, they were simply born with pale skin, blue eyes and non-curly hair.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Black people who were given barely edible scraps like the intestines of the hog by Whites really saw no value in eating high off the hog as Whites did.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Thomas Jefferson never said “ I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Supreme Court in the famous Dred Scott case did not say about Blacks that, “They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then President Andrew Jackson in his fifth annual message to the country never said this about native Americans. “They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Theodore Roosevelt never said this about Native Americans. “The settler and pioneer have at bottom had justice on their side; this great continent could not have been kept as nothing but a game preserve for squalid savages. Moreover, to the most oppressed Indian nations the whites often acted as a protection, or, at least, they deferred instead of hastening their fate.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming did not at one time have a law on the books prohibiting marriage of Asians (they used the term Mongoloids) and Whites.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then a Georgia court in 1869 did not rule that, “The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural but is always productive of deplorable results.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Alabama did not write a law stating, “It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the Federal Housing Administration underwriting manual did not include an article stating “The infiltration of inharmonious racial groups will produce the same effects as those which follow the introduction of nonconforming land uses which tend to lower the levels of land values and to lessen the desirability of residential areas.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Justice Department in 2012 did not find evidence of widespread mortgage lending discrimination by Wells Fargo Bank and say that “African-American and Hispanic wholesale borrowers paid more than non-Hispanic white wholesale borrowers, not based on borrower risk, but because of their race or national origin. Wells Fargo’s business practice allowed its loan officers and mortgage brokers to vary a loan’s interest rate and other fees from the price it set based on the borrower’s objective credit-related factors . This subjective and unguided pricing discretion resulted in African-American and Hispanic borrowers paying more. The complaint alleges that Wells Fargo was aware the fees and interest rates it was charging discriminated against African-American and Hispanic borrowers, but the actions it took were insufficient and ineffective in stopping it.”

I could continue with a significantly longer list. I’ll suffice it to say that the examples stated above provide evidence of the longstanding practices, polices and beliefs which are the core of systemic racism. It is not hidden history, it was simply omitted history. The facts were and still are left out of what we learn about American history to our detriment. As a result, many still cling to the belief that America has always supported freedom, justice and liberty for all. Contrary to Trump’s executive order no one is teaching Americans to hate their country. That’s like saying that if you tell a person to learn that they got what they had because of the advantage of being White that they should hate America.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color.

For those who choose to continue believing these things, you are a part of the problem. Your denials are counterproductive and tell us why there is so much division in this country today. The United States of America is at the proverbial fork in the road. 2020 will go down as a squandered opportunity to finally tell the truth as Germany and South Africa (regardless of how flawed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa has been) both did about their horrible pasts. It could possibly go down as the year we finally expanded our truth telling of the racism embedded in the basic fabric of America. White Americans of “goodwill” must decide which path we take. People of color have done their part by sharing their stories.
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Jim in CT 10-26-2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216479)
Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem why is that the highest number of Black Americans can be found in Texas (3.96 million), Florida (3.70 million), Georgia (3.54 million) or if you do it as a percentage of population It's Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia and Maryland.
Which Side controls those states?

There is a list below that you can rebut to prove that systematic racism doesn't exist.

There was a time where White people in America were not ashamed of racism and flaunted it openly. White racists documented for the world to see, their systemic efforts to build advantages for themselves, while simultaneously disadvantaging those they called a myriad of different names to separate them from membership in their group. In other words, racism was not hidden. The evidence of systemic racism is copious in books, manuscripts, memoirs, laws, public debates, legislative halls and numerous famous court cases.

To argue that systemic racism is a myth is to erase all of those sources of evidence. It is impossible to do so. So those who make the argument have been forced to use one of the oldest tricks known to man, they blame the victims for their condition. I’ve previously written about victim blaming on a number of occasions so I won’t rehash that here. Simply put, victim blaming is finding some characteristic shared by members of a class of people you want to treat poorly, and using that as the rationale for treating them poorly.

For Native Americans it took the form of blaming them for “wasting” the land by not using the land in the way Europeans wanted to use it. For Africans kidnapped and forced to work for free for two and a half centuries, America called them lazy and dumb while making them work sixteen to eighteen hour days and also making it illegal for them to learn to read and write. For those who one day were citizens of Mexico and then forced to be Americans with the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was calling their language and traditions uncivilized. Those who migrated from Asia were told their way of life was poisonous to this nation and they themselves were a “yellow peril.”

All of these things are copiously documented by White people. Their words in speeches, books, court decisions and numerous other places provide all the evidence needed to prove the existence of long-term systemic racism. Can people who want to shame other Whites into not learning this ugly history erase this evidence? Of course they can’t. Instead they try to double down on the lies we all learned in school about America. Lies are becoming quite the rage over the last four years.

If these deniers of systemic racism are right, then certain fundamental things must be either true or false. Let’s explore a long list of some of these things. Only a fool or liar would deny these things if they spent a little time at a local library or bookstore.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then people of African descent must have voluntarily left their families, friends, and communities by placing themselves in chains and sitting on the coast of Africa waiting for thousands of slaving ships over nearly four hundred years to arrive and take them to an unknown land so that they could work for free.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then millions of Indigenous people must have gotten together and decided that the millions of square miles of homelands they loved were worthless and should be given to strange men from afar so that they could disassociate themselves from their cultures and traditions.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Africans and Native people must have seen a great benefit in working for free from before the sun rose until well after it set, all to give the fruits of their labor to these people who called themselves Christians.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Native leaders who convinced their people to fight people with superior weapons must have just simply wanted to see their families and friends slaughtered for the pure fun of it.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Africans who escaped their captivity by fleeing to the brutal winters in Canada must have really preferred freezing to death to living in the comfort of what Isabel Wilkerson called the “warmth of other suns.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those people of European ancestry must have some real advantage intellectually, and never feared giving Africans a level playing field by allowing them to read and write for generations.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then African and Native women must have been detestable creatures that White men could only find sexually attractive as rape victims.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then White women who slept with Black men while their husbands and mates were away fighting the Civil War, had no attraction to the forbidden fruit known as “negro brutes” by their husbands.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then all of the African ancestored people called mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc. really did not have the blood of White rapists coursing through their veins, they were simply born with pale skin, blue eyes and non-curly hair.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Black people who were given barely edible scraps like the intestines of the hog by Whites really saw no value in eating high off the hog as Whites did.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Thomas Jefferson never said “ I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Supreme Court in the famous Dred Scott case did not say about Blacks that, “They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then President Andrew Jackson in his fifth annual message to the country never said this about native Americans. “They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Theodore Roosevelt never said this about Native Americans. “The settler and pioneer have at bottom had justice on their side; this great continent could not have been kept as nothing but a game preserve for squalid savages. Moreover, to the most oppressed Indian nations the whites often acted as a protection, or, at least, they deferred instead of hastening their fate.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming did not at one time have a law on the books prohibiting marriage of Asians (they used the term Mongoloids) and Whites.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then a Georgia court in 1869 did not rule that, “The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural but is always productive of deplorable results.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Alabama did not write a law stating, “It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the Federal Housing Administration underwriting manual did not include an article stating “The infiltration of inharmonious racial groups will produce the same effects as those which follow the introduction of nonconforming land uses which tend to lower the levels of land values and to lessen the desirability of residential areas.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Justice Department in 2012 did not find evidence of widespread mortgage lending discrimination by Wells Fargo Bank and say that “African-American and Hispanic wholesale borrowers paid more than non-Hispanic white wholesale borrowers, not based on borrower risk, but because of their race or national origin. Wells Fargo’s business practice allowed its loan officers and mortgage brokers to vary a loan’s interest rate and other fees from the price it set based on the borrower’s objective credit-related factors . This subjective and unguided pricing discretion resulted in African-American and Hispanic borrowers paying more. The complaint alleges that Wells Fargo was aware the fees and interest rates it was charging discriminated against African-American and Hispanic borrowers, but the actions it took were insufficient and ineffective in stopping it.”

I could continue with a significantly longer list. I’ll suffice it to say that the examples stated above provide evidence of the longstanding practices, polices and beliefs which are the core of systemic racism. It is not hidden history, it was simply omitted history. The facts were and still are left out of what we learn about American history to our detriment. As a result, many still cling to the belief that America has always supported freedom, justice and liberty for all. Contrary to Trump’s executive order no one is teaching Americans to hate their country. That’s like saying that if you tell a person to learn that they got what they had because of the advantage of being White that they should hate America.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color.

For those who choose to continue believing these things, you are a part of the problem. Your denials are counterproductive and tell us why there is so much division in this country today. The United States of America is at the proverbial fork in the road. 2020 will go down as a squandered opportunity to finally tell the truth as Germany and South Africa (regardless of how flawed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa has been) both did about their horrible pasts. It could possibly go down as the year we finally expanded our truth telling of the racism embedded in the basic fabric of America. White Americans of “goodwill” must decide which path we take. People of color have done their part by sharing their stories.
Written by Reggie Jackson

"Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem"

I dont think I ever said that. In any event, it's not "liberal cities" that are the problem. The biggest problem is black fatherlessness, which exists in liberal cities and conservative cities. That problem, however, is made much worse by liberal principles - casual sex, men are bad, masculinity is toxic, the nuclear family is an anachronism, all family structures are equally functional, telling blacks that the reason they are failing to thrive is racism instead of the choices they choose to make, paying teenage girls a bonus to not have a dad around to raise the baby. From where I sit, a core principle of liberalism is, "if it feels good, do it and ignore the consequences." Turns out, that's a short-sighted and stupid philosophy.

"If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color."

For the most part, thats correct. But it has nothing to do with race, here's proof of that.

Black children born into homes with two loving, committed, stable parents, tend to do fine.

White kids born out of wedlock to teenage mothers with chaotic and unstable lives, tend to struggle mightily.

It has almost nothing to do with race.

White privilege is billsh*t. The one privilege that actually matters, is "I was born into a strong family with two loving parents who were dedicated to me" privilege.

You don't like that truth, so you blame it on racism.

Jim in CT 10-26-2021 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216479)
Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem why is that the highest number of Black Americans can be found in Texas (3.96 million), Florida (3.70 million), Georgia (3.54 million) or if you do it as a percentage of population It's Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia and Maryland.
Which Side controls those states?

There is a list below that you can rebut to prove that systematic racism doesn't exist.

There was a time where White people in America were not ashamed of racism and flaunted it openly. White racists documented for the world to see, their systemic efforts to build advantages for themselves, while simultaneously disadvantaging those they called a myriad of different names to separate them from membership in their group. In other words, racism was not hidden. The evidence of systemic racism is copious in books, manuscripts, memoirs, laws, public debates, legislative halls and numerous famous court cases.

To argue that systemic racism is a myth is to erase all of those sources of evidence. It is impossible to do so. So those who make the argument have been forced to use one of the oldest tricks known to man, they blame the victims for their condition. I’ve previously written about victim blaming on a number of occasions so I won’t rehash that here. Simply put, victim blaming is finding some characteristic shared by members of a class of people you want to treat poorly, and using that as the rationale for treating them poorly.

For Native Americans it took the form of blaming them for “wasting” the land by not using the land in the way Europeans wanted to use it. For Africans kidnapped and forced to work for free for two and a half centuries, America called them lazy and dumb while making them work sixteen to eighteen hour days and also making it illegal for them to learn to read and write. For those who one day were citizens of Mexico and then forced to be Americans with the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was calling their language and traditions uncivilized. Those who migrated from Asia were told their way of life was poisonous to this nation and they themselves were a “yellow peril.”

All of these things are copiously documented by White people. Their words in speeches, books, court decisions and numerous other places provide all the evidence needed to prove the existence of long-term systemic racism. Can people who want to shame other Whites into not learning this ugly history erase this evidence? Of course they can’t. Instead they try to double down on the lies we all learned in school about America. Lies are becoming quite the rage over the last four years.

If these deniers of systemic racism are right, then certain fundamental things must be either true or false. Let’s explore a long list of some of these things. Only a fool or liar would deny these things if they spent a little time at a local library or bookstore.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then people of African descent must have voluntarily left their families, friends, and communities by placing themselves in chains and sitting on the coast of Africa waiting for thousands of slaving ships over nearly four hundred years to arrive and take them to an unknown land so that they could work for free.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then millions of Indigenous people must have gotten together and decided that the millions of square miles of homelands they loved were worthless and should be given to strange men from afar so that they could disassociate themselves from their cultures and traditions.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Africans and Native people must have seen a great benefit in working for free from before the sun rose until well after it set, all to give the fruits of their labor to these people who called themselves Christians.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Native leaders who convinced their people to fight people with superior weapons must have just simply wanted to see their families and friends slaughtered for the pure fun of it.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Africans who escaped their captivity by fleeing to the brutal winters in Canada must have really preferred freezing to death to living in the comfort of what Isabel Wilkerson called the “warmth of other suns.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those people of European ancestry must have some real advantage intellectually, and never feared giving Africans a level playing field by allowing them to read and write for generations.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then African and Native women must have been detestable creatures that White men could only find sexually attractive as rape victims.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then White women who slept with Black men while their husbands and mates were away fighting the Civil War, had no attraction to the forbidden fruit known as “negro brutes” by their husbands.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then all of the African ancestored people called mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc. really did not have the blood of White rapists coursing through their veins, they were simply born with pale skin, blue eyes and non-curly hair.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Black people who were given barely edible scraps like the intestines of the hog by Whites really saw no value in eating high off the hog as Whites did.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Thomas Jefferson never said “ I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Supreme Court in the famous Dred Scott case did not say about Blacks that, “They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then President Andrew Jackson in his fifth annual message to the country never said this about native Americans. “They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Theodore Roosevelt never said this about Native Americans. “The settler and pioneer have at bottom had justice on their side; this great continent could not have been kept as nothing but a game preserve for squalid savages. Moreover, to the most oppressed Indian nations the whites often acted as a protection, or, at least, they deferred instead of hastening their fate.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming did not at one time have a law on the books prohibiting marriage of Asians (they used the term Mongoloids) and Whites.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then a Georgia court in 1869 did not rule that, “The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural but is always productive of deplorable results.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Alabama did not write a law stating, “It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the Federal Housing Administration underwriting manual did not include an article stating “The infiltration of inharmonious racial groups will produce the same effects as those which follow the introduction of nonconforming land uses which tend to lower the levels of land values and to lessen the desirability of residential areas.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Justice Department in 2012 did not find evidence of widespread mortgage lending discrimination by Wells Fargo Bank and say that “African-American and Hispanic wholesale borrowers paid more than non-Hispanic white wholesale borrowers, not based on borrower risk, but because of their race or national origin. Wells Fargo’s business practice allowed its loan officers and mortgage brokers to vary a loan’s interest rate and other fees from the price it set based on the borrower’s objective credit-related factors . This subjective and unguided pricing discretion resulted in African-American and Hispanic borrowers paying more. The complaint alleges that Wells Fargo was aware the fees and interest rates it was charging discriminated against African-American and Hispanic borrowers, but the actions it took were insufficient and ineffective in stopping it.”

I could continue with a significantly longer list. I’ll suffice it to say that the examples stated above provide evidence of the longstanding practices, polices and beliefs which are the core of systemic racism. It is not hidden history, it was simply omitted history. The facts were and still are left out of what we learn about American history to our detriment. As a result, many still cling to the belief that America has always supported freedom, justice and liberty for all. Contrary to Trump’s executive order no one is teaching Americans to hate their country. That’s like saying that if you tell a person to learn that they got what they had because of the advantage of being White that they should hate America.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color.

For those who choose to continue believing these things, you are a part of the problem. Your denials are counterproductive and tell us why there is so much division in this country today. The United States of America is at the proverbial fork in the road. 2020 will go down as a squandered opportunity to finally tell the truth as Germany and South Africa (regardless of how flawed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa has been) both did about their horrible pasts. It could possibly go down as the year we finally expanded our truth telling of the racism embedded in the basic fabric of America. White Americans of “goodwill” must decide which path we take. People of color have done their part by sharing their stories.
Written by Reggie Jackson

The guy who wrote that nonsense, wants there to be systemic racism.

You can't just see that average black income is lower than average white income (called a univariate analysis, because you're only looking at one variable - race), and conclude it's because if race. You must "normalize" for all other variables so that the only difference between the 2 groups is race, and then see what average incomes look like. If you don't do that, your race groups could be (in this case, will be) very different in terms of family structure of each, average education of each, professions entered by each, etc).

If black doctors who went to Harvard medical school and graduated with a 4.0, make less than white doctors with the same exact credentials, it could be racism. But you need to make your comparisons "apples to apples". You can't just compare white income to black income, unless you account for all the other variables, and force them to be the same between the two groups.

The author of that article took you for a sucker.

The Dad Fisherman 10-26-2021 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216469)
good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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I did, and I just scrolled on by. Keeps the blood pressure down
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Jim in CT 10-27-2021 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1216485)
I did, and I just scrolled on by. Keeps the blood pressure down
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would be good for me to take a sabbatical from this forum for awhile
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The Dad Fisherman 10-27-2021 05:44 AM

https://c.tenor.com/8JDojzrNDx0AAAAC/serenity-now.gif
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Pete F. 10-27-2021 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216484)
The guy who wrote that nonsense, wants there to be systemic racism.

You can't just see that average black income is lower than average white income (called a univariate analysis, because you're only looking at one variable - race), and conclude it's because if race. You must "normalize" for all other variables so that the only difference between the 2 groups is race, and then see what average incomes look like. If you don't do that, your race groups could be (in this case, will be) very different in terms of family structure of each, average education of each, professions entered by each, etc).

If black doctors who went to Harvard medical school and graduated with a 4.0, make less than white doctors with the same exact credentials, it could be racism. But you need to make your comparisons "apples to apples". You can't just compare white income to black income, unless you account for all the other variables, and force them to be the same between the two groups.

The author of that article took you for a sucker.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_f...gedegrees.html
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Jim in CT 10-27-2021 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216507)
The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_f...gedegrees.html
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"The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?"

No way I'd say it at work, too many woke ignoramuses like you would get triggered. Yes, it does show who I am. I am someone who thinks that if a black child was born with the same parents I had, and did everything the same way I did, they'd pretty much be exactly where I am right now.

Pete, show me the data that says when you do a true apples to apples comparison, there are huge differences in outcomes by race. There's simply no way that's true, because it would be against the law, and every ACLYU lawyer in the world would be suing on behalf of the victims.

For the 4th or 5th time, if it's white racism keeping blacks down, HOW COME ASIANS DO BETTER THAN WHITES?

The Brookings Institute did a well-known (and much-despised by the left) study. Turns out, if you want to avoid poverty, you can be almost guaranteed to do so, by following three very simple rules...

"1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.

If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups
. "

Given these facts, why not encourage everyone to follow those rules? Do you think blacks are genetically incapable of following those rules? I don't.

https://www.jacksonville.com/article...NION/801258741

"Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites"

I doubt the gap is that big when you normalize for other variables besides race. But let's address the huge problem (fatherlessness), get blacks to within 80%, then chip away at the remaining obstacles.

I looked up a fascinating stat. Black immigrants from Africa, have higher average incomes, than American blacks. That's astounding to me. Black immigrants from Africa have an average income of 43k, while the average income for American born blacks is 33.5k, 22% lower.

Why is that? Are you going to tell me that white supremacists aren't as racist towards black immigrants as they are towards American blacks? Or is it possible that black immigrants haven't yet been exposed to the poisonous culture that liberalism shrouds American blacks in? You'd say the former. I'd say the latter. Immigrants, for the most part, come here wanting to work, wanting their kids to get the best possible education. Liberalism goes a long way towards destroying those impulses in American blacks, because liberals tell blacks they're victims and can't help themselves, therefore they need to vote for democrats to get a big welfare check.


https://www.pewresearch.org/social-t...nt-population/

Jim in CT 10-27-2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216507)
The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_f...gedegrees.html
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I read your idiotic post. Same issue, it's not apples to apples. So the conclusions are invalid.

Here's where your 80% gibberish comes from, within your link...

"In 2003 black males with a bachelor's degree had a median income of $41,916, which was only 82 percent of the $51,138 median income of similarly educated white males. Thus, a very large racial income gap persists for black men"

The author looked at black males with a bachelors, and compared average income to white males with a bachelors. The average incomes for blacks are 20% less, and the author immediately (stupidly) concludes that every cent of that is due to racism.

That over simplistic conclusion, would get you a richly deserved F in any serious statistics class or social sciences class.

Why? Because there are several acceptable, non-racial reasons, why that income gap can exist. Most obvious is the nature of the degrees obtained by each group. I am purely speculating here, but if blacks are more likely to go to less prestigious schools, less likely to pursue majors that are the most lucrative, that would be an explanation that has nothing to do with race. If more blacks go into teaching, and more whites go into engineering, that explains the gap and there's nothing racist about it.

You need to compare groups that are identical in every way, except race. Otherwise, the effect of another variable will skew the results. That's rudimentary social science math. You learn that the first week.

Sorry to destroy your desperate attempt to show we're racist, but all it took was an understanding of chapter 1 of a statistics text.

Liberals tried the same crap to show a gender pay gap, which just about disappears when you normalize for years of experience and the fact that women and men tend to pursue different professions.

You cannot win an honest debate on this topic. You're not holding any cards.

Pete F. 10-27-2021 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216510)
I read your idiotic post. Same issue, it's not apples to apples. So the conclusions are invalid.

Here's where your 80% gibberish comes from, within your link...

"In 2003 black males with a bachelor's degree had a median income of $41,916, which was only 82 percent of the $51,138 median income of similarly educated white males. Thus, a very large racial income gap persists for black men"

The author looked at black males with a bachelors, and compared average income to white males with a bachelors. The average incomes for blacks are 20% less, and the author immediately (stupidly) concludes that every cent of that is due to racism.

That over simplistic conclusion, would get you a richly deserved F in any serious statistics class or social sciences class.

Why? Because there are several acceptable, non-racial reasons, why that income gap can exist. Most obvious is the nature of the degrees obtained by each group. I am purely speculating here, but if blacks are more likely to go to less prestigious schools, less likely to pursue majors that are the most lucrative, that would be an explanation that has nothing to do with race. If more blacks go into teaching, and more whites go into engineering, that explains the gap and there's nothing racist about it.

You need to compare groups that are identical in every way, except race. Otherwise, the effect of another variable will skew the results. That's rudimentary social science math. You learn that the first week.

Sorry to destroy your desperate attempt to show we're racist, but all it took was an understanding of chapter 1 of a statistics text.

Liberals tried the same crap to show a gender pay gap, which just about disappears when you normalize for years of experience and the fact that women and men tend to pursue different professions.

You cannot win an honest debate on this topic. You're not holding any cards.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are.

Do you say this out loud at work?

Or hide what you believe?

For the second time...........

No Jim, I assume that there are other factors.
What would they be, unless you are saying that blacks are dumber than whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDbvSSbxk8

scottw 10-27-2021 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216513)

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are.

Do you say this out loud at work?

Or hide what you believe?

For the second time...........


this is the LOWEST FORM OF DISCOURSE...GREAT JOB X 2

Pete F. 10-27-2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1216514)
this is the LOWEST FORM OF DISCOURSE...GREAT JOB X 2

Can you?

Pete F. 10-27-2021 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216508)
No way I'd say it at work, too many woke ignoramuses like you would get triggered. Yes, it does show who I am. I am someone who thinks that if a black child was born with the same parents I had, and did everything the same way I did, they'd pretty much be exactly where I am right now.

It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?

And yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-j...ect-imaginable

Jim in CT 10-27-2021 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1216520)
It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?

And yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-j...ect-imaginable

"It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?"

No, it just gives me the opportunity to bitch slap you some more.

"yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege"

Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I said, is that race isn't anywhere near the force your side desperately wants it to be.

Pete, I used sound facts and logic to completely annihilate your post. You can't just concede I might have a small, valid point there?

I believe in some white privilege, as I believe there's such a thing as black privilege (affirmative action, etc). I believe that race-based privilege is nothing compared to the caliber of the parents one is born into.

Pete F. 10-27-2021 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1216522)
"It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?"

No, it just gives me the opportunity to bitch slap you some more.

"yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege"

Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I said, is that race isn't anywhere near the force your side desperately wants it to be.

Pete, I used sound facts and logic to completely annihilate your post. You can't just concede I might have a small, valid point there?

I believe in some white privilege, as I believe there's such a thing as black privilege (affirmative action, etc). I believe that race-based privilege is nothing compared to the caliber of the parents one is born into.

No annihilation occurs when you quote tropes as truth, silly girl


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