So genocide would have been your solution, glad to know where you stand.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...n-afghanistan/
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For those who love to make historical comparisons, many of whom know nothing about history, the US military evacuated around 7k people from Saigon. The US military has already evacuated 37k people from Afghanistan. Bet you haven't read or seen that.

I am still puzzled when people insist there must have been a better way? when there clearly was a plan and it was told to the whole world Aug 31st .. we would be out! then the Afghan army cut and ran away throwing things into disorder It’s call the fog of war… Sure it’s ugly to watch but let’s be realistic if the Afghan army hadn’t ran we wouldn’t be in this situation, and it’s not our military might that is allowing us to keep removing people it’s the Taliban who is controlling it.. 5 well placed mortar rounds on the runway can stop everything..

the right keeps changing what upsets them 1st it was the optics ! then it was the fate of the poor Afghan women and young girls and translators! then it became equipment left behind which was the Afghan army’s equipment not ours ! then they are upset that same Afghans they were worried about leaving are coming to America ! And now they are upset we are speaking and dealing with the Taliban to insure Americans safety .. yet they cheered the last guy’s efforts..

You would think Republicans would be supporting what ever efforts are required to secure Americans and as many Afghans as we can.. but it seems they are more interested in doing what they do best complaining while providing no solution…. Other than drop bombs on foreheads and acting disappointed that there hasn’t been mass casualties
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victim shaming.....

:huh:

damn right-wingers!

Former prime minister Tony Blair, slammed President Biden’s chaotic withdrawal from the country on Sunday.

“The abandonment of Afghanistan and its people is tragic, dangerous, unnecessary, not in their interests and not in ours,” Blair wrote in a statement published on his organization’s website.

Blair’s comments come after Biden denied at a press conference Friday that America’s reputation has been damaged and that U.S. allies have lost faith in our ability to conduct foreign policy amid the botched Afghanistan pull-out.

The former prime minister criticized the U.S. departure from Afghanistan as a politically motivated appeasement to constituents.

Maybe the Brits should have stayed after 2014, but remember when Sherlock Holmes met Dr Watson in the 1800s, the Dr had just returned from the war in Afghanistan.
Fiction but historically correct.
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And what’s your point he’s not even American. And how was anything I mentioned not true
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Wow a 300k army are victims amazing
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As mentioned Britain withdrew its last combat troops in 2014

So Blair really has no dog in the fight does he
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Glad to make you glad. We committed genocide on the Nazis of WWII. It worked pretty well.

so?

Twenty years, trillions of dollars, almost 200K lives lost, now almost 50K evacuated without loss of life, the right and hawks are struggling for any win.

We didn’t commit genocide in the Second World War, you’re as astute a history student as the Stable Genius.
The Taliban troops comprise about eighty thousand of the 38 million people living in Afghanistan.
The Stable Genius also was a proponent of genocide, birds of a feather ain’t ya
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definitely a huge success...biden should get a nobel prize:hihi:

You might be correct for once

As a marine who served in Afghanistan twice said, he can explain it in two sentences

One: For 20 years, politicians, elites and D.C. military leaders lied to us about Afghanistan.

Two: What happened last week was inevitable, and anyone saying differently is still lying to you.

Biden pulled the plug and it’s over.
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No, I'm not a bird of a feather with Trump, I'm a bird of a feather with constitutionalists and anti-Progressives.

Over and over again, through history, you find the Right embracing violence and eventually dictatorship when the political tide turns and democracy is no longer in their favor.

That’s what we’re watching now. A rejection of institutions and a lust for authoritarianism.

Genocide which you claim is a solution will be the next step, perhaps you can explain just which other humans besides Muslims you think should be exterminated.
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I was not in favor of going to war with the Taliban. My preference is to make this country too strong to mess with and use whatever force necessary against those who would do us harm. Exterminating those who want to exterminate us doesn't prick my conscience.

But if you go to war, then achieve total victory. If you want to call that genocide and that word horrifies you, then avoid war. And pray that your pacifism will shield you from those wolves who would prey on your flock and utterly destroy you. Islam has a built in mission to place the world in submission to it. And not by friendly mutually satisfying terms. It is methodically doing that now to non-Muslims in territories in Africa and the Middle East that are under Islamic control.

I would shed no tears if the Taliban were totally exterminated.

somebody needs a therapy session....

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definitely a huge success...biden should get a nobel prize



^^^^^HALL of FAME material:claps:

New: Roughly 21,600 people were evacuated from Kabul between 3 AM EDT on 8/23 and 3 AM EDT this morning.

Since 8/14, we've gotten approx. 58,700 people out. 63,900 people since the end of July.
Meanwhile
A huge contradiction has emerged in GOP criticism of Afghan evacuation:

Part of the party attacks Biden for hopelessly botching it and failing to rescue Afghans who helped US.

Another part of the party (and some of the same people) don't want to let more Afghans in the US.
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The MAGA world and the GOPQ have taken the all or nothing approach to Afghanistan.. How many people American gets out is not a concern of Theirs and honestly some on the left .. they have this unrealistic expectation that some how we the USA are going to remove anyone who worked with the US in the past 20 years and All Americans…. Yet nobody knows who these people are and many Americans who never registered with the embassy…. But regardless of the numbers saved Republicans will label this a failure they will move the goal post to Another emotion complaint ! and they have . Now theAfghans who they cried we’re being left to die are now to dangerous to come to America

prominent conservatives are warning that these desperate people asking for our help are actually a dire threat to America.

Steven Miller. Tweet. It is becoming increasingly clear that Biden & his radical deputies will use their catastrophic debacle in Afghanistan as a pretext for doing to America what Angela Merkel did to Germany & Europe.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the U.S. owes it to its friends in Afghanistan to help get them out and resettle them elsewhere.


so I will ask a simple question what from on withdrawal would have been acceptable? What does that look like ?

This withdrawal looks like a horrible and ugly to watch, but it looks like our Military and state department are doing a great job getting people out.. yet the Right refuses to support them and the POTUS and the Nation! To get this done

They would rather complain about masks or but promote ivermectin like Ingram Hannity and Tucker amazing
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is that still a thing?

I bet if trump was still president and this exact thing happened you and your friends would be wanting him nominated for a nobel prize :bl:

What happened is the result of the lying and incompetence of the former administration, the Stable Genius was no more capable of accomplishing a withdrawal from Afghanistan than he was of passing infrastructure legislation, negotiating with anyone or telling the truth.

The Trump administrations Doha Agreement with the Taliban violated the most basic principles of self-government for the Afghan people. There was no way to enforce it or make sure the Taliban kept its word. There was no denunciation of al-Qaeda terrorists. Worst of all, the deal didn't mandate the Taliban stop attacks against Afghan security forces.

All of this set the stage for the chaotic scenes we're seeing on TV today.

Trump's deal with the Taliban was flawed from the start, which is why Trump's own officials are now scrambling to distance themselves from it. "To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil," tweeted Trump's ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, who certainly voiced no such objections while working for Trump. She was not alone. "Our secretary of state signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," Trump's former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, told journalist Bari Weiss. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn't defeat us. We defeated ourselves."

Even Mike Pompeo, Trump's Secretary of State and the man who negotiated the deal with the Taliban in the first place, is now denouncing it. He had the audacity to tell Fox News that the "debacle" in Afghanistan "will certainly harm America's credibility with its friends and allies." He certainly didn't seem to think so while he was laying the groundwork for the debacle in the first place.

"We're letting the Taliban run free and wild all around Afghanistan," complained Pompeo, the man who cut the deal to release the Taliban's leader from prison in the first place. Trump ordered the release of 5,000 of the top captured Taliban fighters last year—a decision his own designated "peace envoy" Zalmay Khaliizad said publicly had disturbed him. Those same fighters are now threatening the streets of Kabul.

Republican outrage was also completely absent in the first 45 days of Donald Trump's agreement, when there were over 4,500 Taliban attacks resulting in over 900 Afghan casualties. Where was the Republican outrage about the Afghan army then, when their President handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban? Nonexistent.

They saved their denunciations for Biden's efforts to clean up Trump's mess—efforts which have as yet cost many fewer lives.

But this hypocrisy is not limited to former Trump officials. Take House Republican firebrand Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), for example, who only tweeted once in 2014 about losing an American general in combat in Afghanistan, until discovering it as a partisan issue this summer. Now that he can blame Biden for Trump's mess, he hasn't stopped tweeting about it.

Jordan is one of many Republicans hypocritically denouncing a Biden withdrawal that they championed under Trump. The Republican Party used to brag about Trump's "historic" peace deal in Afghanistan. Now, they went so far as to delete that press release to pave the way for a new, partisan attack on President Biden over the end results of that very agreement.

Twitter is awash in angry Republicans outraged about our allies in Afghanistan who we should have evacuated before we left. And yet, it is Trump—and his advisor Stephen Miller—who are the reason so many Afghan interpreters are stuck in Afghanistan due to stalled special immigrant visa application infrastructure. Former Vice President Mike Pence advisor Olivia Troye wrote on Twitter that folks like Trump and Miller made it "even more challenging" to get allies out, overriding the concerns of others in the administration. "There were cabinet meetings about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan," Troye wrote. "He & his enablers across gov't would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State."

In fact, at the end of last year, the Trump administration had nearly 11,000 visas authorized by Congress for Afghans who helped America during the last 20 years—but only gave out 1,300 while most of the withdrawal took place.

So whose fault is it that so many of those who helped us are stuck in Afghanistan? The burden of that responsibility falls squarely on Trump's shoulders. And it is Biden who is working diligently to get them out.

And it was Trump who bragged just this April that the process of moving the U.S. military out of Afghanistan had progressed to a point that even if President Biden wanted to, he "couldn't stop the process." Trump was right: There was nothing Biden could do to stop what was coming in Afghanistan short of another massive U.S. military deployment. According to the text of the February 29, 2020 agreement Trump signed with the Taliban, within 135 days, America would withdraw from five major bases and agreed to complete the rest of its major withdrawals within nine months. In other words, the Trump administration agreed to pull out of Afghanistan long before Biden's inauguration, which it mostly accomplished.

You can read it yourself

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...n-02.29.20.pdf

lengthy posts with links to more lengthy stuff should be forbidden...

The link to more lengthy stuff is to the Stable Genius’ brilliantly negotiated agreement.
His administration’s explanation is, they weren’t going to go through with that, they were just going to break it
Trustworthy guys
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so is it trumps fault that it's such a disaster or biden's credit that it's such a success?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-58071592

Good read
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I don’t remember Donald Trump flying one Kurd to safety. He let Turkey slaughter them. They were our allies that served side by side with our troops.

Where was the outrage from you and the Fox Russian Propaganda Machine???

Biden has safely evacuated over 79,000 Afghans.

Trump had the administrative authority to issue nearly 11,000 visas authorized by Congress for Afghans who helped America during the last 20 years—but only gave out 1,300 while most of the withdrawal took place.

If Trump were in office and he had his way, I suspect he would prefer to pull only US citizens out, maybe some of the Afghan helping us for years. Everyone else he views, as evidenced by rhetoric and policy moves, to be potential terrorists. I think it’s amazing how many people have been successfully evacuated, Trump would I believe make a big fat mess of it due to his belief he is smarter than ALL his advisers civilian or military.

BUT THEY'RE NOT EVEN AMERICAN!!!!

so it's trumps fault....

this is a shocking prediction......

Easy when behavior is so predictable, sort of like expecting a snarky post from you on almost every thread.
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you'd think with the constant cheerleading from the media for this clown...his numbers would be a little better...

Sixty-eight percent of Americans and 55 percent of Democrats believe that the Biden administration’s evacuation of U.S. troops, civilians, and allies from Afghanistan has been handled “badly” according to a new YouGov poll.

Seventy-five percent of veterans, 76 percent of independents, and 84 percent of Republicans concur with the majority of Democrats and supermajority of Americans who disapprove of way the U.S. has withdrawn after nearly 20 years of military involvement there. A mere 16 percent of Americans would go so far as to say that it has been executed “very or somewhat well.”

I bet none of these people are even vaccinated....

Your guy makes a mess, draws down troops rapidly, releases taliban founder and prisoners, stops issuing visas, meets with the Taliban without the Afghan government, agrees to an aggressive withdrawal timeline. And when the next guy can’t clean his mess up quick enough you’re going to blame him, not the guy who made the mess.

Now ten Americans are dead.

that poll was taken before today's festivities

it awful..God bless them...

definitely Trump's fault...maybe even Bush's fault