Pete, why TF are you still talking about racist horses?

just resting his eyes....:rotf2:

“the right enjoy claiming.”

so they’re not actually happening?

I’ve actually been to the Arizona border once and saw plenty of law enforcement on horses. I’d hilly terrain along a river, especially when not right adjacent to. a road, can be a good place to be on a horse.

If they can have cops on horses in Manhattan for gods sake, the southern border towns seem like an absolute no brained to me.
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WHAT TF DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HORSES AND TERRAIN???? WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THIS UP ?????

i googled it. order patrol uses horses regularly, because much of the area isn’t accessible by roads, you see.

spence, which “terrain” do you think is more suitable for a horse, midtown manhattan ( where cops can be in horses today), or rural
southern texas, where they can’t be in horses today? in those westerns you say you saw, were more filmed in rural texas or in manhattan?

a few liberal
morons don’t know how horses work, so they equated reims with slave whips.
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i didn’t bring it up, you did. as little as i know, i know more than you, as usual.
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as long as he's "pretty lucid" and not falling up steps....I guess we're ok

definitely racist cowboys riding racist horses with racist whips and racist lassos...if you disagree you are just exhibiting your latent racism

I've fallen up steps. Happens with dress Shoes. Hell Trump can't even walk down a ramp.

yeah...not like that...

Wait, so I bring up terrain. You mock it, then cite your own research that it's a factor, then declare victory. I'm willing to subsidize your therapy by the way. Maybe your BFF will even chip in.

wait...who is his BFF? if spence is giving money away...maybe they can both get therapy....

fixed it...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/Embarrasse...oo-max-1mb.gif
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Well, golf was good.
I see you boys entertained yourselves
Learned about horsies and cops
Not much about Haiti
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From a former border patrol agent
I have refrained from saying these things because I know they sound crazy, but I cannot just sit and say nothing. Remember some months ago when Border Patrol was so overwhelmed by unaccompanied children and the conditions were horrible? Remember how took a trip out to AZ and TX to witness for myself. Now we see the same going on in Del Rio, TX. In the beginning of the Del Rio crisis, CBP claimed Border Patrol was caught off guard. Really? Border Patrol/CBP have excellent intelligence on the movement of large groups of migrants. There is no way they did not know about this group. Now today, Fox News says Border Patrol claims they warned Biden about the group in June. So which is it? Did they know or didn’t they? What I see going on, from an intelligence and operational point of view, is CBP and Border Patrol management playing politics with migrant lives. Truthfully, they have always done this, but not on this scale. Even during the Trump administration, agents admitted to me that they were told to intentionally slow walk the processing to create the overcrowded conditions we saw that led to record in custody deaths, deaths of children. They wanted to make the border look as out of control as possible to get Trump’s harshest policies through. Now they are making the fact that we have large groups of migrants coming to our southern border worse with a variety of tactics. They want the border to look out of control to make this administration look bad on border security. Notice how they blocked most other outlets except Fox News from filming here. Notice how they just simply closed down the the crossing point Haitians were using. They had enough manpower before to do it. Last night, Mexican immigration started rounding up Haitians, forcing them on buses and sending them to Chiapas. Now the former Chief of Border Patrol sent a letter to congressional members warning of imminent terrorist threats from these crises. Something’s coming. I don’t know if it’s that some National Guard kid is going to end up shooting or some militia guy maybe, but something is going to break. This will end soon, and the Border Patrol will be onto the next catastrophe to gain political points. And frankly, I don’t think Biden understands that these people are not on his team. We are playing with people’s lives here just to score political points. These are human beings.
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oh...so now it's the "CBP and Border Patrol management playing politics"....ok......

Must be a real #^&#^&#^&#^&hole if they’re trying so hard to get out of it.
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jim we are talking horses trained in crowd control ... NY city horses and riders are bostons they are . are border control horses trained in crowd control?? from my research I found a site who claimed they trained Border control horses called Mounted Police Training Academy

again a border control horse is not a NY city horse again making these simplistic comparisons .. I have seen boston horses in action it looked nothing like what happened at the river .... it all comes down to optics one side loves it the other hates it

first, why did you say “the right claims” these caravans are not happening? are you saying there were t thousands and thousands of illegals camped under that bridge?

you do have a point, horses can be dangerous in large crowds ( doesn’t stop NYPD from using them in Manhattan, does it?). i didn’t see any photos or videos of anyone getting trampled. i saw horses being ridden where there were only a handful of people nearby.

If you don’t want to be confronted by law enforcement on horseback, you could always cross al legal crossing points.
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probably need to replace the law enforcement at the border with social workers :conf:

and where is the liberal/media outrage over the squalid conditions these people are forced to endure?

Obama built and used the cages, silence.

Trump used the cages, that made him Hitler, and they used an obama-era photo of kids in cages, to show us how truly evil Trump is. Makes sense.

Now things are way worse under Biden, now back to silence. Their outrage depends on the party of the sitting president.

I’m reminded of Groucho Marx who said “these are my principles, if you don’t like them i have other, different principles.”
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Actually there has been a lot of left wing criticism.

Under Obama they built temporary facilities to house mostly unaccompanied minors.

Because Trump changed the law to force breaking up families. Very different situation.

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and where is the liberal/media outrage over the squalid conditions these people are forced to endure?

Obama built and used the cages, silence.





so it was ok for Obama to put unaccompanied minors in cages?

I'd assume the decision to use chain link dividers was made at a much lower level. Less than ideal but they needed a solution that was cheap and fast. Again, very different than mandating the break up of families, that's a much bigger issue.

:deadhorse:

"Actually there has been a lot of left wing criticism. "

Any from you? Didn't think so. WDMSO won't even concede the caravans are real, he said "the right claims there are caravans". That's how far away from reality he is.

"Under Obama they built temporary facilities to house mostly unaccompanied minors."

"Mostly". So you're saying, correctly, that Obama did break up some families (which NO ONE cared about), Trump expanded it, which everyone on the left cried over.

So, you're saying it's OK to forcibly split up some number of family units, but inhuman to go above that number. And by an amazing coincidence, you're going to say that Obama stayed below that number and Trump went over.

Spence, if you traveled with your kids to another country and flagrantly violated their federal laws, you wouldn't expect to be separated from your kids? Additionally, we know that some of these kids are being rented out to some of these adults who are fraudulently posing as a family in order to have a much better chance of staying.

Trump started to refer every single case for criminal processing. Why the heck shouldn't he? Did these people break the law or not?
If they want to stay with their kids (as well as avoid being gang raped by cartels on the Mexican side at illegal crossing points), there is a process for that. It's called legal immigration.

Biden doesn't need another badly bungled incident right now, but that's what he's got. Talking about ice cream isn't working on America anymore, not when they see this magnitude of gross incompetence regarding multiple independent events. Hence his polling, especially among independents.

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure.

In other words, they happened under the Obama administration. And no one cared enough to even know it was happening, including you.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/di...rate-families/


The very photo the left used to show what a monster Trump is, was a photo from the Obama years.

You can't make this up.

What are you huffing today?

Jim Republicans only see caravans around Election Day. And these caravans seem to never materialize or actually invade our open borders !

How did the right miss this Haitian caravan? My guess the election is over and more focused on doing nothing for Americans
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He seems to not understand something could have happened? and a policy that is designed to make sure separation of families actually happen !
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first you say Republicans “claim” to see them, suggest isn’t they’re not really there.

now you’re saying they “only” see them on election day, meaning they ignore the others, which is the opposite of what you originally said.

which is it, does the gop make them
up, or ignore them, or are you saying they do both?

why would they ever ignore a large caravan? it’s a winning issue for them.

let’s make this simple enough even for you. please provide some examples of the gop either fabricating large caravans, or ignoring them ?
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Obama’s guy said that the obama
administration also separated families. you don’t quite admit that.

so why didn’t you care when obama
separated children from parents, but you are upset that trump did it?

and why do criminals have the right to expect to not be separated from their kids during processing? isn’t that what we do with criminals while they’re being processed?
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you work in law enforcement, right? did you routinely see children staying with their parents while being processed through the system? or were they often separated.

if american citizens who break the law are separated from their kids for a time during processing, why do we give more benefit to foreign nationals who break the law?

Wayne, do you think it’s a good thing to discourage parents with children from crossing illegally? or is it smart to incentivize more adults to make the trip with children?

do you know what’s happening now? are we seeing more kids or less?
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Jim, read my posts. Read your own factcheck posts.

It wasn't news then because it was so rare.

Crossing the border is a misdemeanor. You don't take a baby from its mother over that.

Jim you. Do know caravans do not enter the United States correct

If all fearful the time from the right

Try being honest .. when do these caravans get reported by fox oan newsmax or politicians .. always prior to elections..

Also never said they ignored a good caravan . I said they missed the Haitian invasion while ignoring Americans with their Policy of just say NO to anything unless it’s a Trump lie then they say yes
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Jim crossing the border is not a felony it’s. Misdemeanor

Again making comparisons that are not remotely the same

Imagine how desperate parents are to send their kids alone … no deterrent will change that
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and while you’re getting processed for a misdemeanor, can you keep
your kids with you?

as to the whipping and trampling, the guy who took some of the widely shared photos, says there was no whipping or trampling. maybe, just maybe, he knows because he was there? and maybe biden shouldn’t be saying the BP agents are guilty before they start an investigation.
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this is bidenesque....

crossing the border legally is legal...

crossing the border illegally is.....illegal

sounds like you are trying to say that they are crossing the border illegally