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spence

11-03-2021 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217023)

wait a minute. 72% said it was important, and that means i made it up? how does that not prove me right??
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That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Pete F.

11-03-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217019)

Jim thinks Liz Cheney is a RINO
What more would one need to qualify as a Trumplican?
Who other than a Trumplican would call Liz Cheney a RINO?
She voted with Trump more than almost any other Republican, even Gym Jordan.
She's one of the most conservative members of Congress.
What display of fealty, or lack thereof is required to qualify her as a RINO?

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217021)

Critical race theory top factor for 25% of Virginia voters, while 72% called it important: Fox analysis

As I thought, you made it up.

And I thought you said your kids were in catholic school?
Is the Pope into CRT also?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217023)

wait a minute. 72% said it was important, and that means i made it up? how does that not prove me right??
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First of all, just what makes Liz Cheney a Rino?
And second, what I think you made up was the question to your child in school that made him guilty........

spence

11-03-2021 11:32 AM

VA doesn’t really surprise me. Republicans did a great job of misleading and scaring voters over issues like CRT and the trans bathroom policy. VA almost never votes for someone to serve two terms as gov or votes with the party in the White House. Mcauliffe made some big mistakes as well.

Jim in CT

11-03-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217026)

That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

From the guy who said Biden was doing swell in the polls.

What I said, and therefore what I think, is that one of the big issues in the election, was (1) parents concern about what's going on in public schools (divisive racial topics, mask mandates not based on any kind of medical consensus, boys going into the girls bathroom, sexually provocative books in libraries, etc), and (2) a belief among the same parents, that liberals don't give a fig about those concerns.

25% say it was the single most important thing, 72% say it was important. I don't think there's a whole lot of ambiguity in those numbers.

I can only hope that the people who run the DNC, come to the same exact conclusions that you are no doubt coming to.

I promise you, that I know what you think, a whole lot more accurately than you know what I think. Because you only think one thing.

Jim in CT

11-03-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217029)

"VA doesn’t really surprise me."

Right, you saw that coming. The guy who said Bidens tanking polling was nothing.

"misleading and scaring voters over issues like CRT"

So every single parent who brought books to BOE meetings that had racially divisive language, every parent holding a racially divisive assignment their child had to do...every single one of them was misleading the audience?

"the trans bathroom policy."

You mean the policy which allowed a male rapist to waltz into the girls bathroom and have easy access to a victim in a compromising situation with no teachers nearby? And then having a superintendent blatantly lie about having knowledge that the rape happened, so that the board could vote to expand on that bathroom policy? Nothing to be concerned about there? They covered up a rape, so that they could expand that bathroom policy. Is that mis-leading in any way?

"Mcauliffe made some big mistakes as well."

You got one right!

The Dad Fisherman

11-03-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217029)

Well since governors aren't allowed to serve consecutive terms in VA, that may have something to do with it.
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spence

11-03-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217034)

You mean the policy which allowed a male rapist to waltz into the girls bathroom and have easy access to a victim in a compromising situation with no teachers nearby?

The story was spun to fit the anti-trans narrative. First the trans bathroom policy wasn't even in place at the time. Second the two had snuck into the bathroom to have sex several times previously. Third, she chose the location. Apparently she then said no but he didn't want to stop. Its still rape and terrible but the story was twisted to fit an agenda.

Jim in CT

11-03-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217036)

i believe the trans bathroom policy was in place at the time. they covered up the rape, in order to get the votes needed to extend it.

i don’t see any relevance, none, to the sexual history of a child, and i don’t want to know. no one that i have seen is saying that encounter was consensual, and the kid was convicted.

you left out that the school
officials sent the rapist to another school without telling them
he was a rapist, so he was allowed to assault a second victim.

the most infuriating part of the story, is that the superintendent knowing my lied and said he had no report of a rape taking place. when we have an earlier email from him, alluding to the rape. he called the victims father a liar in public.

you left that part out. and then obama saying no one has any valid reason to be concerned, just a bunch of lying, homophobic white supremacists ( who are being called white supremacists by the left, even though they also elected a black lieutenant governor.).

i’m sure you don’t see how trans bathroom policies make it easier for rapes to take place.
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Jim in CT

11-03-2021 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1217035)

Well since governors aren't allowed to serve consecutive terms in VA, that may have something to do with it.
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that, plus racism.
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spence

11-03-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217039)

i believe the trans bathroom policy was in place at the time. they covered up the rape, in order to get the votes needed to extend it.

Both the NYT and Reason.com have reported on this. Policy was two months away.

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i don’t see any relevance, none, to the sexual history of a child, and i don’t want to know. no one that i have seen is saying that encounter was consensual, and the kid was convicted.

It's super relevant as it establishes this was not a random act of violence.

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you left out that the school officials sent the rapist to another school without telling them he was a rapist, so he was allowed to assault a second victim.

At the time the DNA evidence wasn't available and the police only have a 21 day window to act but he had to be relocated so they gave him an ankle bracelet. If distance learning was available they should have done that.

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the most infuriating part of the story, is that the superintendent knowing my lied and said he had no report of a rape taking place. when we have an earlier email from him, alluding to the rape. he called the victims father a liar in public.

Apparently the laws prohibit discussing anything about a minor when there's a legal proceeding underway and the police have to investigate it before the school can. I'm guessing the super panicked and just didn't handle the situation very well.

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i’m sure you don’t see how trans bathroom policies make it easier for rapes to take place.
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I really don't. There's nothing stopping anyone from walking into another sex's bathroom and assaulting someone today. Perhaps a cheap fix are cameras outside of bathroom doors. I'm not sure if K-12 sexual assault by another student is even that common.

Jim in CT

11-03-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217045)

Both the NYT and Reason.com have reported on this. Policy was two months away.

It's super relevant as it establishes this was not a random act of violence.

At the time the DNA evidence wasn't available and the police only have a 21 day window to act but he had to be relocated so they gave him an ankle bracelet. If distance learning was available they should have done that.

Apparently the laws prohibit discussing anything about a minor when there's a legal proceeding underway and the police have to investigate it before the school can. I'm guessing the super panicked and just didn't handle the situation very well.

I really don't. There's nothing stopping anyone from walking into another sex's bathroom and assaulting someone today. Perhaps a cheap fix are cameras outside of bathroom doors. I'm not sure if K-12 sexual assault by another student is even that common.

oh, you didn’t say it was NYT, that settles things.

the meeting where the rape was lied about, included a vote to extend the policy. there was already some kind of policy in place before that meeting, i don’t know if it was in place at the time of the rape. regardless, the superintendent lied, obviously so people would vote for the policy.

and the kids second assault, at the second school, was that random? are random acts of violence worse than acts of violence against someone you know? i have zero interest in splitting those hairs

seems obvious to me, that allowing boys into the girls room puts girls at greater risk. i’m not sure i get how that can be refuted, yet i know you don’t agree.

i taught Spence, in a large public school district. there’s no law that prevented the district from telling the second school what this kid was accused of. he could have been watched at all times. should have been watched at all times. not rocket science. .

the superintendent sent an email
to some staff, alluding to the rape. i don’t know where you’re getting the idea that it’s against the law to discuss it amongst staff, in the interest of safety.

i’m sure the father of the second victim is glad he had an ankle monitor, if that’s true.

“there’s nothing stopping someone from walking into the other sex’s. bathroom.”

yes there is. fear of getting caught breaking a rule and being called a pervert. when i taught, if i saw a boy walking into the girls room, Id be expected to physically stop him. in Loudon county today, i’d be expected to hold
the door open for him, and say “right this way”.

making a whole lot of assumptions, many of which are laughable.
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Pete F.

11-03-2021 05:15 PM

Be very afraid
Jim is convinced that anyone who is not heterosexual is going to attack someone, because of course if they don’t fit within his definition of normal, all their behavior is aberrant and therefore must deviate from the norm.
And if that’s not true it demolishes his narrative.
Maybe he’s doing this because he knows as he got too close and caught gay. (Sarcasm)
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Jim in CT

11-04-2021 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217050)

“everyone who is not heterosexual is going to attack someone.”

hearing those voices loudly, i see. I sure never said that.

you actually couldn’t be more stupidly wrong. non-heterosexuals ( i presume) would not be inclined to attack girls in the bathroom. gay men aren’t attracted to girls. What rational people are afraid of, is that dangerous heterosexuals will say “i am trans” so they can have access to girls bathrooms.

This is beyond your comprehension? it’s not conceivable to you that this could happen?

Stupid and strange, even for you.
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scottw

11-04-2021 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217061)

Stupid and strange, even for you.

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gets more interesting all the time.....

Jim in CT

11-04-2021 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1217064)

gets more interesting all the time.....

no joke.

“so you’re saying you want to slaughter everyone who disagrees with you, sell their organs on ebay, and give all the proceeds to trump…”

does t matter what you actually say. they respond to what they wish you said.
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scottw

11-04-2021 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217065)

special kinda crazy you'd like to see making education policy :rotf2::rotf2:

Pete F.

11-04-2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217061)

Lots of things are conceivable, I assume you believe in the Bible?

Men have raped women in dressing rooms also, ask E. Jean Carroll about her experience.:faga:

Sociopaths will always be able to do things that are not within societal norms.

Maybe you should consider that the majority of rapes occur in or around the home and in 80% the rapist knows the victim.

Should we have women wear Hijabs and not speak to men outside of their families?

Think about what the odds are of what you are panicking over this time and why you are doing so, other than that you have been fed this by the media.

Be very afraid, Fox loves it

Pete F.

11-04-2021 07:36 AM

Back to the topic

Republicans kick and scream “voter fraud” until they win an election.

Virginia confirmed that.

scottw

11-04-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217072)

Back to the topic

Republicans kick and scream “voter fraud” until they win an election.

Virginia confirmed that.

wasn't McCauliff still claiming stolen elections in previous presidential elections up until very recently?

The Dad Fisherman

11-04-2021 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1217085)

wasn't McCauliff still claiming stolen elections in previous presidential elections up until very recently?

And that whole "Abolish the Electoral College" thing.
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Raider Ronnie

11-04-2021 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217072)

Back to the topic

Republicans kick and scream “voter fraud” until they win an election.

Virginia confirmed that.

Show me the last time the counting of ballots was stopped in the middle of the night, windows were covered so the counters couldn’t keep an eye on, postal workers caught bringing cases of filled in ballots over state lines………..
And a republican won 🤔

Your hate for the other side blinds you.

Also
You seem to be an expert on rape & sexual assault.
You talking from experience 🤔
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Pete F.

11-04-2021 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1217094)

Show me the last time the counting of ballots was stopped in the middle of the night, windows were covered so the counters couldn’t keep an eye on, postal workers caught bringing cases of filled in ballots over state lines………..
And a republican won 🤔

Your hate for the other side blinds you.

Also
You seem to be an expert on rape & sexual assault.
You talking from experience 🤔
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congratulations to the "you lost, get over it" crowd from 2016, now enjoying their 366th consecutive day of not getting over losing in 2020

Jim in CT

11-04-2021 10:31 AM

AOC says they lost in VA because they were too moderate, not radical
enough.

this is precisely the reaction that every republican was hoping for.
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Raider Ronnie

11-04-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217103)

congratulations to the "you lost, get over it" crowd from 2016, now enjoying their 366th consecutive day of not getting over losing in 2020

You didn’t answer either question
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Pete F.

11-04-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1217094)

Show me the last time the counting of ballots was stopped in the middle of the night, windows were covered so the counters couldn’t keep an eye on, postal workers caught bringing cases of filled in ballots over state lines………..
And a republican won 🤔

After a year of investigation, zero proof has been found of any chicanery in the 2020 presidential election with the exception of several Republicans who filled out ballots for their dead relatives
You just keep believing
I heard that yesterday there were hundreds of people in Texas waiting for JFK jr and Trump to show up so that he could be president again, didn't miss it did you?

Your hate for the other side blinds you.

Also
You seem to be an expert on rape & sexual assault.
You talking from experience 🤔
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I know a few investigators, in fact one was asking about a charter captain who raped a stripper he picked up at the Glass Slipper.

Raider Ronnie

11-04-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217127)

I know a few investigators, in fact one was asking about a charter captain who raped a stripper he picked up at the Glass Slipper.

What the #^&#^&#^&#^& is the Glass Slipper & who’s the captain ?
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detbuch

11-04-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217007)

Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

The Dems made a mistake when CRT was adopted as an issue by Trumplicans, of not saying Society does not bear ALL responsibility for the current status of black americans but we do need to help our fellow americans help themselves and to do that we need to look at history honestly, not hiding the bad parts.

One of the often cited black economists, Glen Loury wrote:
What we call “race” is mainly a social, and only indirectly a biological, phenomenon. The persistence across generations of racial differentiation between large groups of people, in an open society where individuals live in proximity to one another, provides irrefutable indirect evidence of a profound separation between the racially defined networks of social affiliation within that society. There would be no races in the steady state of any dynamic social system unless, on a daily basis and with regard to their most intimate affairs, people paid assiduous attention to the boundaries separating themselves from racially distinct others. Over time, race would cease to exist unless people chose to act in a manner so as biologically to reproduce the variety of phenotypic expression that constitutes the substance of racial distinction.

How should we think about the persistence of racial inequality in America? To deny the relevance of behavioral patterns among some black families and communities is folly. To wash one’s hands of their problems because of such cultural and behavioral impediments is profoundly unjust. There are no easy answers, but I suggest that the view here is worth considering as a way to account for, and then respond to, an enduring dilemma that confronts and frustrates us still.

Take the poor central-city dwellers who make up perhaps a quarter of the African-American population. The dysfunctional behavior of many in this population does account for much of their failure to progress—and conservatives’ demand for greater personal responsibility is necessary and proper. Yet, confronted with the despair, violence, and self-destructive behavior of so many people, it seems morally superficial in the extreme to argue, as many conservatives do, that “those people should just get their acts together; if they did, like many of the poor immigrants, we would not have such a horrific problem in our cities.” To the contrary, any morally astute response to the social pathology of American history’s losers would have to conclude that, while we cannot change our ignoble past, we must not be indifferent to contemporary suffering issuing directly from that past. Their culture may be implicated in their difficulties, but so is our culture complicit in their troubles; we bear collective responsibility for the form and texture of our social relations.

While we cannot ignore the behavioral problems of the so-called black underclass, we should discuss and react to those problems as if we were talking about our own children, neighbors, and friends. It will require adjusting ways of thinking on both sides of the racial divide. Achieving a well-ordered society, where all members are embraced as being among us, should be the goal. Our failure to do so is an American tragedy. It is a national, not merely a communal, disgrace. Changing the definition of the American “we” is a first step toward rectifying the relational discrimination that afflicts our society, and it is the best path forward in reducing racial inequality.

Don't know when Loury said this, but I do know that he has gone through two or three evolutions of thought on the subject of racial inequality, from "liberal" to "conservative" to wavering between the two to much closer to "conservative" in his present iteration. Your citation seems closer to his wavering period. He has evolved since then to his current pragmatic view that "those people should just get their acts together" view. Whatever little merit he sees in some concepts of CRT, on the whole he considers it a fraud and of no help in actually solving the racial divide. In fact, he has come to the conclusion that stuff like CRT will cripple the endeavors of blacks to rise from the bottom.

Here is one of those hour long videos with him giving his opinion on solving the problems as opposed to the gestures and misguided leftist theories which will not only retard progress, but set back that which has been made. You can't make an intelligent detailed argument about it in just ten minutes. Since you have quoted him in this post and therefor giving him the creds to be listened to, I dare you to watch the whole thing and then discuss it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ALAQA1NSs

Pete F.

11-04-2021 09:25 PM

Sorry
I’m not watching videos
Boring and a pain to analyze
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Pete F.

11-04-2021 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1217135)

What the #^&#^&#^&#^& is the Glass Slipper & who’s the captain ?
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Hard telling, know any charter captains?
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detbuch

11-04-2021 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217159)

Sorry
I’m not watching videos
Boring and a pain to analyze
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Easy painless way out. Stay stupid. But thanks for torturing the rest of us with your lengthy really interesting links and cut and pastes. We're, unlike you, suckers to take the time to thoughtfully and agonizingly respond.

Jim in CT

11-05-2021 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217159)

Sorry
I’m not watching videos
Boring and a pain to analyze
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in other words, you know he’s got you and you don’t want to discuss it anymore.
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scottw

11-05-2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217166)

in other words, you know he’s got you and you don’t want to discuss it anymore.
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anticipate a very lengthy cut and paste unrelated to anything :jester:

Pete F.

11-05-2021 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1217162)

Transcripts of videos are less than 10 pages and readable in a fraction of the length of the video
Assuming people can read
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detbuch

11-05-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217178)

Transcripts of videos are less than 10 pages and readable in a fraction of the length of the video
Assuming people can read
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For someone who seems to be so insistent that we must know the "truth" that he must daily spread it on the forum and insist that we must listen to it, you sure are resistant to seriously considering or even listening to those who see the truth differently from you. Good way to stay stupid.

Pete F.

11-05-2021 12:28 PM

Ah yes, the truth is found watching YouTube
You do realize that the YouTube algorithm, picks things that reinforce your viewing.
So you’re fed more of the baloney you watch until it’s the great majority of what you see, makes it true.
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detbuch

11-05-2021 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217215)

Well, you use YouTube a lot. Anyway, YouTube's algorithm may have a large task with me since I'm interested in a variety things and opinions. I sometimes get a chuckle when after watching a couple of videos, the next time in I get a bunch of like minded to be listed. So I'll pick a contrary topic to get a bunch of that ilk to be algorithmed my way next time. Then switch back. Heh, heh . . . just for fun . . . and for a different perspective.

Anyway I get the other "side" in droves from you and the other anti Trumpers, et al.

But, more to the point, I don't search for topics just by browsing YouTube. I more often use search engines like Google or Bing (which also have algorithms, Google being oriented more toward the politically Progressive).

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