Yes, the cell phone brigade was unable to overthrow the government…..
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Pete is frustrated again…
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Thank the GOP and Trump for finally bringing us infrastructure funding desperately needed, oh wait it’s NOT the all talk and no action guys win. Moscow Mitch ready to block everything, until it helps everyone including his constituents and then he is a no show for the signing, partisan hack.

the gop gets a huge F for not doing this when they could’ve.

despite your seething hatred, every single poll shows republicans holding huge leads for the midterms, as of now, which is a long way off obviously.
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he's been pretty cranky hasn't he....

The Wyoming Republican Party voted on Saturday to no longer recognize Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) as a member of their party.

For not bending the knee to Trump… America 1st just another GOP scam

So Joe and Krysten still getting it worse ?
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you can have her if we get Tulsi Gabbard

amen to that.

wayne, is the DNC throwing parades for Manchin and Sinema right now? or are they being attacked non-stop? but according to you, that’s ok.

the GOP had a little civil war, it’s over, and the Liz Cheney faction got clobbered.

The democrat civil war is just starting, and man oh man is it entertaining.
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they’re getting smeared non stop by the left. wait until there’s more attention to the social spending bill.

wayne, if the people back hime
feel cheney betrayed them, this is what she deserves. it’s called democracy. you think there’s a rule that you can’t criticize elected officials within your own party?


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The Republicans sure are being mean to Liz Cheney, someone who has the capacity to mount an independent spoiler run for POTUS in 2 years slicing off 5-8% of the R vote in places like PA or even Iowa. I’d donate.
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are the democrats being mean to Manchin and Sinema?

what is a party supposed to do, when it feels a member isn’t being loyal?

politics is a contact sport.

Cheney might run as a republican in the primary and get trounced. if she runs as an independent in the general that would increase the odds of a democratic win for sure. unless Kamala is running, in which case every registered republican in the country could run for president, and many would still get more votes than she will.

turns out being black and female, doesn’t necessarily overcome being an unimpressive, unprincipled, stupid, cackling skank.
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Misogyny much?
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i don’t think it’s sexist to call a skank a skank.
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feel cheney betrayed them, this is what she deserves. it’s called democracy. you think there’s a rule that you can’t criticize elected officials within your own party?

You have a twisted idea of Democracy…. Betrayed ! Lol. Can you say Radicalized
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they feel she betrayed them. it’s their opinion wayne, just as you have many opinions that a lot of people think are, well, not flawless.

my idea of democracy, is that people
who voted for liz cheney are allowed to criticize her if they feel betrayed.
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there’s a big difference between failing to exhibit fealty, and voting to impeach. you have your opinion. her constituents have theirs. If the GOP stayed in its 2010 course, Liz might have been destined for big things. The GOP is different now, less tolerance for republicans of her mold.

Pretty simple, if you don’t exhibit fealty to Trump they’ll attempt to throw you out of the party.
Because Trump is the party and it is party first, country second
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There is a land mass named the United States. When some people pledge allegiance to it, they have a vision of what it is, what their "country" is. What it is supposed to be according to whatever vision they've been taught, or have conjured on their own.

As individuals become members of groups and are cajoled into political parties, they either choose the party that seems to most closely align with the personal vision they experientially have grown into, or they simply inherit the party of their parents or of whatever societal tribe they belong to.

But the party they choose or inherit does not have the same vision of what the "country" is as does the other party (or parties). In the beginning, the vision of "our country" was pretty much, or at least fundamentally, the same for the two major parties. That original vision was informed by the Constitution the founders created.

As time passed with new generations of citizens with continuously changing visions of what the "country" is, or is supposed to be, the gap in vision between parties grew. Till today, the visions have become fundamentally opposed.

One party seems to prefer that we do not publicly make a formal pledge of allegiance to it, as that would offend some sensibilities. For that party, fealty to "country" verges on jingoistic nationalism. It supports kneeling in protest to what the flag represents. The borders separating our "country" from the rest of the world are more of an impediment than a protection. And for that party, the original uniting vision of what the country is politically, has also become an impediment. That binding, unifying document, must continually be evaded, overcome, while giving lip service to it with novel, contradictive interpretations. Rather, that party verges toward formal, legal, union with the rest of the world. Toward worldwide treaties that can bind us to world opinion and governance, and can be strong enough to supercede the limitations of the outdated U.S. constitution. That's all well and good if it's to your liking.

But it differs in so many ways from the vision of the "country" that the other party has which include opposition on things like our borders, the meaning of our Constitution, our view of exceptionalism, individual and religious liberty, right to bear arms, size and scope of government, marriage, life . . . even to the most fundamental division on what constitutes a man or a woman.

We live in the same land mass, but not in the same "country." The words country and nation are colloquially used interchangeably. But they have a formal distinct meaning. "Country" being a land mass, and "nation" being the political, social, cultural, etc., union. I put that word in quotes because expressions like "country first" usually are not merely referring to a land mass, but to a "nation." The intended meaning would more correctly be "nation first." We all live in the same defined land mass. But when we say "country first" we don't mean "land mass first."

On the other hand, maybe "country first" is appropriate to Progressives' vision of government. They have more affinity to the world, the global land mass, than merely being restricted to the U.S. "nation" which is too antiquated, provincial, and unfair according to their view of it..

Anyway, Trump is not the party. Hopefully, the party learned some important things from Trump--gained some political wisdom and know how that can appeal to Americans who are becoming aware of the stealth of this nation that progressivism has been covertly perpetrating for a century and is now more boldly and openly foisting on us. Politically, Trump is definitely "nation first." And that notion is horrific to Progressives. Understandably so. The Progressive doctrine is progressively morphing from its vision of administrated state power over this nation into the larger collective of administration over the Western world--and over the world eventually. And, of course, by experts who'll make it all good.

Liz Cheney is a conservative Republican in every traditional respect. But she will not lie for Trump -- which is why she's persona non grata in the GOP. "The Republican Party is more than Trump!" some people say, with annoyance. Oh? Not by the evidence.
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she’s a conservative in the bush/cheney neocon tradition. they have become less popular.

you can’t say everyone in the gop is either a cheney backer or a trumplican.

i like trump’s policies for the most part, i am disgusted by his personal behavior. that’s where much of the gop is right now. we want someone who will govern much like trump did ( again, whether you like it or not, his policies worked and were popular), without the loathsome behavior.

We want Trump without the spoiled brat 8 year old. that looks a lot
like Desantis to me. It also looks a lot like Desantis to many on the left, which is why they are terrified of him.
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leftists hated bush/cheney but they suddenly love Liz...funny how that works

“the enemy of my enemy is my friend “, kind of a thing.
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So you're saying that the Republican party does whatever Trump wants? So if Trump were to change his policies, which align to a great extent on Republican party policies over the last several decades, and go all authoritarian Progressive left, you're saying the Republican party would follow right along?

No disloyalty of the president would be tolerated. No dissent would be tolerated

The new GOP
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no one criticized trump ? that’s what you’re saying? what planet do you live on?
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House Republicans in good standing with their state parties:
Paul Gosar
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Lauren Boebert
Matt Gaetz.

No longer recognized as a Republican by her state party:
Liz Cheney.

Today's Republican Party:
Lies and grift? Yes.
Truth and accountability? No.
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We all know the answer, don't we?

Reporter Asks Kevin McCarthy Why ‘Only Thing Republicans Will Punish One of Their Own Members for’ Is ‘Speaking Out Against Donald Trump’
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That's one of those normal everyday fake news questions that feed your TDS venom.

A lot of Republicans have spoken out against Trump. They have not been removed from the party.

A fake conclusion derived from a fake scenario.

Apparently you missed GOP leaders speech, where he within minutes went from condemning how few were evacuated from Afghanistan to complaining that it was too many.

“If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”

— Dwight D. Eisenhower
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is this why the left and democrats have become insane authoritarians?

The policies that Trump
implemented, were so popular, that Gallup’s poll showed a record number of americans said those policies made them better off. His numbers in that question beat every other president they ever polled. He wasn’t middle of the pack. Not a lot of ambiguity there.

Pete, what you think is right, and what people who aren’t in need of treatment for acute paranoid schizophrenia think is right, appear to be different.

why does the gop have half the senate, just less than half the house, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures? why did a blue state like VA, turn more than ten points to the right in one year?

it’s not a fringe, out of whack party. you desperately try to paint it is as such, because even you know you can’t rationally deny that there are some healthy ideas on the right. Not every idea they have is the greatest idea to be sure, but it’s nowhere near the satanic, apocalyptic cult that you and cnn and msnbc and wdmso and spence and Got Stripers wish it was
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I want a government run by the most intelligent and virtuous citizens, who in turn rely on experts as servants of the government. This puts me squarely with those elitist fuddy-duddies like James Madison and John Adams

Not people who would do this:
New documents show Trump Admin silenced CDC at start of pandemic, tried to alter expert scientific reports, and then tried to delete evidence they were doing so.

We were the most prepared nation in the world but now more than 750,000 Americans have died.
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"I want a government run by the most intelligent and virtuous citizens"

So who did you vote for in 2020, then? The guy who is clearly in early stages of dimentia, who in his 40 years in DC is known best for lying, plagiarizing, being a political pit bull for the left, who so unfairly blocked the nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court that Websters literally added new word to the dictionary to describe it? A guy who lied about beating up a street tough named Corn Pop (a very common name among drug kingpins), who lied about formerly driving a tractor trailer, who told blacks that Republicans want to put them back in chains?

Spare me.

We both want leaders who will advocate for what we believe. And while we may wish they were also virtuous, that takes aback seat to having the right ideology.


"who in turn rely on experts as servants of the government"

Experts? Like the woman nominated to be in charge of our currency, who is a communist with a shoplifting record? Or the nominee to be in charge of civil rights at the DOJ who explicitly said blacks are physically, intellectually, and spiritually superior to whites? Experts like Kamala Harris, who polled below 1% in the democratic primary, and who got to be VP only because she has the right skin color and genetalia? Experts like Pete Buttigieg who goes out on paternity for weeks during a true crisis involving his area of responsibility?

Experts like our attorney general, who do nothing about violent riots in our cities, but who is OK with using the domestic terror label to describe parents who complain at BOE meetings?

Experts like Anthony Faucci, who have flip-flopped ten times on every single issue related to covid? Wearing a mask would be stupid.

Or experts like the teachers unions, who tell the administration to defy science to make life easier for their members, at our kids' expense.

Pete wants an administration who relies on experts.

Biden’s nominee to be i. charge if currency, is a former ( supposedly former) communist who was arrested for shoplifting from TJ Max.

she wrote recently that instead of banks, we should all have our savings and checking accounts either he federal government.

A totalitarian, commie, shoplifter is the best he could come up with? To be in charge of our currency?

It’s like a Saturday Night Live Skit. From back when SNL was funny.
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Amazing how you can repeat party lines verbatim and claim everyone else is a liar

It’s almost “Actually, Jesus wasn’t laid in a manger, manger is an English word and English didn’t exist then” season!
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every single criticism of liberals, is a made-up “party line”?

Pete, this nominee to be in charge of currency…

do you deny she was arrested for shoplifting at a TJ Maxx as an adult?

Do you deny she write a paper in the last ten years, demonizing american financial
institutions and suggesting we all have savings and checking accounts managed by the federal government?

am i making that up?
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Are you talking about the eminently qualified law professor at Cornell University?

yes i am. the one who wrote just a few years ago, that personal checking and savings accounts shouldn’t be held by private banks, but held by the federal government. who also was arrested for stealing from TJ Maxx.

sorry, being an ivy league professor is no longer ( if it ever was) an indicator of competence in ones field. plenty of jerks, crooks, kooks in the Ivy League.

and could care less that she was an active communist when she lived in the soviet union, no one chooses where they are born. what she has written in the last few years, is fair game to judge her by. and she’s a kook. and some kind of weird shoplifter apparently.
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Oh no, not demonizing bankers
We worship money, don’t we?

Hard to believe any college student would break a law.

Almost as hard to believe that anyone would suggest any banking be done by the federal government.

Most countries use their postal networks to deliver banking services — and so did the U.S. from 1911 to 1966.

It might even damage the business of check cashing businesses, payday loan companies, rent to own stores and other businesses that prey on low income folks.
How horrible
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Let’s re-cap….

Biden nominee: People
shouldn’t be allowed to have savings and checking accounts with private banks. They should be forced to bank with the federal government.

Pete: while i despise authoritarians, i support this, because it’s not at all authoritarian. nope, not at all.

Jim: that’s a radical idea

Pete: oh so you worship bankers?

it’s always one stupid extreme
or another with you thoughtless libs who can’t debate anything honestly. if i say her notion is kooky, you can’t refute that. you know you can’t refute that. so you act as if i said “ we can never criticize bankers”, because that’s easy to refute.

only, i never said that. as always, instead of just admitting she’s a tad radical, you claim i said something which i never came close to saying. you and wdmso do this on every single thread.

she is the extremist here. not me. well, her and you i guess

so in the last couple of days, i’ve tricked you into admitting that you think it’s a good sign that the overwhelming majority of those who control our economy, vote democrat.

and i’ve also tricked you into admitting what we all
knew already, that you are fine with authoritarians, as long as they dictate from the left.

keep responding to the voices in your head, instead of to what i post here.

Pulverized.
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