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Jim in CT 03-28-2022 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1224770)
That seems to be a theme for you .. you claim you don’t know the person or the topic..

And then walk away

Yet you claim Jackson can’t define what a woman even after saying she’s a woman her moms a women and Sen Blackburn’s a women , and because she didn’t take the Transgender bait. It upsets you.

Yet you lack the ability to say you think his comments was Or wasn’t racist ..

Odd
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it’s not “my claim” that she can’t define what a woman is. those were her words. you think i made it up? if so, yiu need to brush up on the issue.

“my claim”, as opposed to exactly what she said. unbelievable, the denial.

and i said i don’t see it as racist.
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Pete F. 03-30-2022 06:12 PM

“….but since I’m an originalist, I can’t possibly vote for a nominee that is only 3/5 of a Justice.”
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Jim in CT 03-30-2022 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224918)
“….but since I’m an originalist, I can’t possibly vote for a nominee that is only 3/5 of a Justice.”
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which party advocated for slavery? hint, it was the same party that advocated for segregation.
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Pete F. 03-30-2022 09:01 PM

The hardest part about renouncing the Republican Party was turning my back on the orgies and cocaine
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Jim in CT 03-31-2022 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224922)
The hardest part about renouncing the Republican Party was turning my back on the orgies and cocaine
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because as we all know, there’s zero casual sex and drugs on the left. Zip.

do you ever read your rantings?
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Pete F. 03-31-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224932)
because as we all know, there’s zero casual sex and drugs on the left. Zip.

do you ever read your rantings?
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In the Republican Party, you can openly support armed revolt against the government--just don't embarrass anyone with comments about orgies/drugs.
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Jim in CT 03-31-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224938)
In the Republican Party, you can openly support armed revolt against the government--just don't embarrass anyone with comments about orgies/drugs.
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it was an armed revolt now? keeps getting more and more sinister. did they have nukes?

A lot of the republicans i like (not all but a lot) spoke out very loudly against january 6. i dint think america wants to hear that all republicans were behind an armed coup. but that’s probably a better line for the left than talking about crime, immigration, inflation, etc…

when some congressional democrats in 2016 tried to take the win from trump, i’m guessing you weren’t outraged.
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Pete F. 03-31-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224939)
it was an armed revolt now? keeps getting more and more sinister. did they have nukes?

A lot of the republicans i like (not all but a lot) spoke out very loudly against january 6. i dint think america wants to hear that all republicans were behind an armed coup. but that’s probably a better line for the left than talking about crime, immigration, inflation, etc…

when some congressional democrats in 2016 tried to take the win from trump, i’m guessing you weren’t outraged.
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No nukes, but a few pipe bombs.

I don't know that anyone, other than people playing the victim card, thinks that all republicans are behind an armed coup, but as is gradually coming to light the people in and associated with the former administration were engaged in a coup and actively sought the assistance of violent participants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJDb02p0BE

Madison Cawthorn on Jan. 6 admitted he was armed and had carried 'multiple weapons' in his wheelchair

At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building. Other defendants are suspected of possessing guns during the riot but, like the vast majority of the estimated 800 rioters, were not searched that day.

Federal prosecutors say that Christopher Michael Alberts of Maryland was arrested on Capitol grounds on the evening of Jan. 6 while carrying a Taurus G2c 9 mm handgun with one round in the chamber and a full 12-round magazine. He also allegedly had an extra magazine in his pocket and was carrying a gas mask, pocket knife and first-aid kit.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman of Alabama was also arrested that evening after law enforcement found two firearms on his person, as well as what a federal judge referred to as a "small armory" in his truck, which was parked near the Capitol. According to the court, the government found "a loaded handgun," "a loaded rifle," "a loaded shotgun," "a crossbow with bolts," "several machetes," "a stun gun" and "11 mason jars containing a flammable liquid, with a hole punched in the top of each jar." According to the government, surveillance footage showed him "in attendance at the events at the Capitol," though he has not been charged with breaching the building.

Cleveland Grover Meredith of North Carolina planned to arrive in D.C. for the Trump rallies on Jan. 6, according to federal prosecutors, but he was delayed because of car trouble. He was arrested the following day for allegedly assaulting a man in Washington, D.C., in a traffic-related incident and for making death threats against the D.C. mayor and Pelosi.

During a search, law enforcement said they found in his possession "a Glock 19, nine millimeter pistol, a Tavor X95 assault rifle and approximately hundreds of rounds of ammunition." Citing text messages sent by Meredith, a federal prosecutor argued in court that he "relished in the carnage of January 6th."

Jim in CT 03-31-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224941)
No nukes, but a few pipe bombs.

I don't know that anyone, other than people playing the victim card, thinks that all republicans are behind an armed coup, but as is gradually coming to light the people in and associated with the former administration were engaged in a coup and actively sought the assistance of violent participants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJDb02p0BE

Madison Cawthorn on Jan. 6 admitted he was armed and had carried 'multiple weapons' in his wheelchair

At least three people arrested in connection with the Capitol riot are facing gun charges, though the government has not alleged that those three were part of the actual breach of the building. Other defendants are suspected of possessing guns during the riot but, like the vast majority of the estimated 800 rioters, were not searched that day.

Federal prosecutors say that Christopher Michael Alberts of Maryland was arrested on Capitol grounds on the evening of Jan. 6 while carrying a Taurus G2c 9 mm handgun with one round in the chamber and a full 12-round magazine. He also allegedly had an extra magazine in his pocket and was carrying a gas mask, pocket knife and first-aid kit.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman of Alabama was also arrested that evening after law enforcement found two firearms on his person, as well as what a federal judge referred to as a "small armory" in his truck, which was parked near the Capitol. According to the court, the government found "a loaded handgun," "a loaded rifle," "a loaded shotgun," "a crossbow with bolts," "several machetes," "a stun gun" and "11 mason jars containing a flammable liquid, with a hole punched in the top of each jar." According to the government, surveillance footage showed him "in attendance at the events at the Capitol," though he has not been charged with breaching the building.

Cleveland Grover Meredith of North Carolina planned to arrive in D.C. for the Trump rallies on Jan. 6, according to federal prosecutors, but he was delayed because of car trouble. He was arrested the following day for allegedly assaulting a man in Washington, D.C., in a traffic-related incident and for making death threats against the D.C. mayor and Pelosi.

During a search, law enforcement said they found in his possession "a Glock 19, nine millimeter pistol, a Tavor X95 assault rifle and approximately hundreds of rounds of ammunition." Citing text messages sent by Meredith, a federal prosecutor argued in court that he "relished in the carnage of January 6th."

And what's your proof that those who were armed, were part of an organized plot to overturn the election? As opposed to being armed while also just being a trespasser? You're clearly assuming that those who had guns, were also involved in the conspiracy. Are you making that assumption because there's evidence to support it? Or are you making that assumption because it helps democrats?

There's zero evidence that most people there were involved in the same conspiracy. Z-E-R-O.

Let's be clear, I hope that one of the 85 investigations into Trump turns up enough that he cannot run again. Because I really don't want him to run again.

But a Harvard poll has Trump beating Pudding Brain by 7. Last I checked, Harvard isn't a right-wing institution. Fascinating.

Its fascinating. America liked Obama, but didn't like his agenda, to the point that when Obama left, Democrats held fewer elected offices that at any time since the end of the Civil War. That's fact. Funny how the left never, ever talks bout that. But that's what happened.

America hated Trump, but liked his agenda, that resulted in his getting creamed in a landslide.

I'm not sure what America thinks of Biden personally, but polls suggest they can't stand his performance.

America can't seem to decide the balance it wants in its POTUS, between personal integrity and the ability to improve life for Americans.

The Dad Fisherman 03-31-2022 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224939)
it was an armed revolt now? keeps getting more and more sinister. did they have nukes?

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You must have missed that pic of that armed terrorist running through the Capitol wielding an Assault Podium.
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Jim in CT 03-31-2022 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1224945)
You must have missed that pic of that armed terrorist running through the Capitol wielding an Assault Podium.
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the Chewbacca guy had those horns on his hat, don’t forget that.

chicken is slated to go up 70% year over year, and all
he wants to talk about us january 6.
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Pete F. 03-31-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224944)
And what's your proof that those who were armed, were part of an organized plot to overturn the election? As opposed to being armed while also just being a trespasser? You're clearly assuming that those who had guns, were also involved in the conspiracy. Are you making that assumption because there's evidence to support it? Or are you making that assumption because it helps democrats?

There's zero evidence that most people there were involved in the same conspiracy. Z-E-R-O.

We are 14 months into the largest investigation in DOJ history in which there currently are more than 800 people charged and with a lot more than trespassing.
You are making assumptions that are being disproven daily.
At least eleven people have been charged with seditious conspiracy and to date one has plead guilty, far more than zero.
It is just getting started.
Don't forget that Watergate took three years before it was complete and 41 people were criminally convicted. That was for a break-in that initially involved 5 people, not an entire administration.



Let's be clear, I hope that one of the 85 investigations into Trump turns up enough that he cannot run again. Because I really don't want him to run again.

But a Harvard poll has Trump beating Pudding Brain by 7. Last I checked, Harvard isn't a right-wing institution. Fascinating.

Its fascinating. America liked Obama, but didn't like his agenda, to the point that when Obama left, Democrats held fewer elected offices that at any time since the end of the Civil War. That's fact. Funny how the left never, ever talks bout that. But that's what happened.

America hated Trump, but liked his agenda, that resulted in his getting creamed in a landslide.

I'm not sure what America thinks of Biden personally, but polls suggest they can't stand his performance.

America can't seem to decide the balance it wants in its POTUS, between personal integrity and the ability to improve life for Americans.

You keep harping about Bidens poll results, but a short while ago you claimed that polls were baloney, Biden would never beat Trump from his basement, etc.
I can imagine exactly what would have happened if Trump had been reelected. His genius buddy Putin would have walked into Ukraine and have been applauded by the people he financed and supported.

Jim in CT 03-31-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224958)
You keep harping about Bidens poll results, but a short while ago you claimed that polls were baloney, Biden would never beat Trump from his basement, etc.
I can imagine exactly what would have happened if Trump had been reelected. His genius buddy Putin would have walked into Ukraine and have been applauded by the people he financed and supported.

you posted the names of people with guns, implying that they were involved in a plot.

what’s your proof of that?
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Jim in CT 03-31-2022 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224958)
You keep harping about Bidens poll results, but a short while ago you claimed that polls were baloney, Biden would never beat Trump from his basement, etc.
I can imagine exactly what would have happened if Trump had been reelected. His genius buddy Putin would have walked into Ukraine and have been applauded by the people he financed and supported.

i also agree i’ve been laughably wrong when relying on polls.

But with Biden’s polling, MANY democrats and those in the media are clearly reacting to a belief that a shellacking is coming. only the real zealots are in denial at this point.

the polling in this case is what an honest person would
expect given what’s going on. once in 40 year inflation. no president can oversee that and not take a hit, whether it’s his fault or not.
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Pete F. 04-01-2022 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224959)
you posted the names of people with guns, implying that they were involved in a plot.

what’s your proof of that?
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Oath Keepers planning to violently subvert the 2020 election stockpiled 30 days of supplies and a cache of rifles and ammunition just outside of Washington, D.C., prosecutors alleged in a late-night court filing.

In a memo seeking the pretrial detention of Oath Keeper Ed Vallejo — one of 11 members of the group charged last week with seditious conspiracy to violently prevent Joe Biden from taking office — prosecutors provided new details about the weapons stockpile Oath Keepers had assembled at a Comfort Inn in nearby Arlington, Va.
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Jim in CT 04-01-2022 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1224974)
Oath Keepers planning to violently subvert the 2020 election stockpiled 30 days of supplies and a cache of rifles and ammunition just outside of Washington, D.C., prosecutors alleged in a late-night court filing.

In a memo seeking the pretrial detention of Oath Keeper Ed Vallejo — one of 11 members of the group charged last week with seditious conspiracy to violently prevent Joe Biden from taking office — prosecutors provided new details about the weapons stockpile Oath Keepers had assembled at a Comfort Inn in nearby Arlington, Va.
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i asked twice, you dodged twice.

so, you have zero way to connect those who had guns on january 6th, with any conspiracy.

in other words, you made up that connection, to paint conservatives in a negative light.

with all the stupid things conservatives do, there is t enough actual truth you can point to, to make them look bad? you have to never more stuff?

time to ask yourself some questions Pete. like, why are conservatives slightly more charitable
and generous than liberals? if we’re all pure evil, why is that?
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PaulS 04-01-2022 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224977)

time to ask yourself some questions Pete. like, why are conservatives slightly more charitable
and generous than liberals? if we’re all pure evil, why is that?
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same answer as the other 100 times you asked that question.

BC they give to their private schools and churches that most people don't have access to.

Jim in CT 04-01-2022 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1224988)
same answer as the other 100 times you asked that question.

BC they give to their private schools and churches that most people don't have access to.

and that answer is as stupid as it has always been. 99% of charities have expenses to provide for their infastructure. churches aren’t unique in this regard.

the catholic church has big expenses, church buildings, schools, hospitals, etc. They are also one of the worlds largest providers of charitable services. Food banks, homeless shelters, medical clinics, adoption services, etc.

the united way also has buildings and employees. as does the Red Cross. as does the clinton foundation.

yet you only single out church donations as not really charity. because you’re desperate to disprove the fact that you happen to find inconvenient.

conservatives make less many than liberals, yet they aren’t stingy. pete’s brain can’t handle that .
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PaulS 04-01-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224990)
and that answer is as stupid as it has always been. 99% of charities have expenses to provide for their infastructure. churches aren’t unique in this regard.

the catholic church has big expenses, church buildings, schools, hospitals, etc. They are also one of the worlds largest providers of charitable services. Food banks, homeless shelters, medical clinics, adoption services, etc.

the united way also has buildings and employees. as does the Red Cross. as does the clinton foundation.

yet you only single out church donations Did you not see I said "private schools and churches"? Did you miss that or did you just figure you would lie?as not really charityPls, point out where I said it is not really charity? Either point it out or apologize for lying. . because you’re desperate to disprove the fact that you happen to find inconvenient.

conservatives make less many than liberals, yet they aren’t stingy. pete’s brain can’t handle that .
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Churches/private schools use prob. 3-5% of the donations they receive to provide help to others. Many other charities like save the children prob. give 84-95% of the donations they receive to help others.

If anyone wants to give $ to churches and schools bc they attend, it is somewhat self serving. You fail to acknowledge that in your constant rants that conserv. give "slightly" more $.

Jim in CT 04-01-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1224995)
Churches/private schools use prob. 3-5% of the donations they receive to provide help to others. Many other charities like save the children prob. give 84-95% of the donations they receive to help others.

If anyone wants to give $ to churches and schools bc they attend, it is somewhat self serving. You fail to acknowledge that in your constant rants that conserv. give "slightly" more $.

When you said private school, I assumed you meant religious school, as many of them are.

"Pls, point out where I said it is not really charity?"

You said this, Paul, in the same post for Gods sake..."If anyone wants to give $ to churches and schools bc they attend, it is somewhat self serving." Self-serving, isn't charity.

I can only speak to the Catholic Church. Every Sunday, my church has 2 collections, one for charity, one to go towards regular expenses associated with the church. The church has to pay utilities and buy food for the priests and pay maintenance on the buildings, and my church runs a school which is unbelievably expensive yet they only charge tuition of $5,000 for a school with 10 kids to a class which blows away public schools (which can spend 4x more per kid) on standardized tests. And anyone can enjoy the church, not just those who donate. Anyone can go to a mass and enjoy any spiritual benefits they derive, and that probably doesn't mean much to liberals these days, but it's meaningful to catholics.

Maybe the church you go to, uses all its donations for self-serving reasons, but that doesn't mean all churches do.

PaulS 04-01-2022 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224999)
When you said private school, I assumed you meant religious school, as many of them are.

"Pls, point out where I said it is not really charity?"

You said this, Paul, in the same post for Gods sake..."If anyone wants to give $ to churches and schools bc they attend, it is somewhat self serving." Self-serving, isn't charity.

I can only speak to the Catholic Church. Every Sunday, my church has 2 collections, one for charity, one to go towards regular expenses associated with the church. The church has to pay utilities and buy food for the priests and pay maintenance on the buildings. And anyone can enjoy the church, not just those who donate.

I never claimed it wasn't charity. I've always said people personally benefit from it. I feel better giving to save the children then I do for giving $ to my churches men club which is remodeling our meeting room.

Jim in CT 04-01-2022 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1225005)
I never claimed it wasn't charity. I've always said people personally benefit from it. I feel better giving to save the children then I do for giving $ to my churches men club which is remodeling our meeting room.

You said it's self serving. Giving that's self-serving, isn't really compatible with the spirit of charitable giving.

Paul, for the purposes of disproving everything Pete believes, we can exclude all religious-based giving from this conversation. If you exclude all that, it would still show that conservatives aren't the greedy, heartless nazis that Pete believes we all are.

"I feel better giving to save the children then I do for giving $ to my churches men club which is remodeling our meeting room."

So would I. But every charity has expenses it has to cover.

Pete F. 04-01-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1224977)
i asked twice, you dodged twice.

so, you have zero way to connect those who had guns on january 6th, with any conspiracy.

in other words, you made up that connection, to paint conservatives in a negative light.

with all the stupid things conservatives do, there is t enough actual truth you can point to, to make them look bad? you have to never more stuff?

time to ask yourself some questions Pete. like, why are conservatives slightly more charitable
and generous than liberals? if we’re all pure evil, why is that?
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Let’s see my dodge
11 charged with seditious conspiracy
They had a weapons cache in a hotel and people ready to move them
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PaulS 04-01-2022 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1225006)
You said it's self serving. Giving that's self-serving, isn't really compatible with the spirit of charitable giving.
.

So isn't it self serving when someone gives $ for a new gym in a private school that no one other than the students who go there are going to be able to use it? or to a fundraiser to pay for the salary of a new music teacher?

Jim in CT 04-01-2022 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1225009)
So isn't it self serving when someone gives $ for a new gym in a private school that no one other than the students who go there are going to be able to use it? or to a fundraiser to pay for the salary of a new music teacher?

it’s not purely self serving, no, because other students ( including those on full scholarships) can use it.

paul, liberals also make donations to ivy league schools which have endowments in the tens of billions. so if you’re going to ding conservatives because not every cent of tax deductible charity is feeding the poor, at least make the same adjustment to liberal donations which are equally frivolous.

again, my point isn’t that conservatives are superior. just that we aren’t anywhere near what that idiot lunatic thinks we are.
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Jim in CT 04-01-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1225007)
Let’s see my dodge
11 charged with seditious conspiracy
They had a weapons cache in a hotel and people ready to move them
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post a link please, no one believes anything you type.

11. 11 outbid how many who were there, tens of thousands?

again, you never made a peep
about the armed BLM rioters, who unlike the January 6 rioters, actually killed people.
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Pete F. 04-01-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1225015)
post a link please, no one believes anything you type.

11. 11 outbid how many who were there, tens of thousands?

again, you never made a peep
about the armed BLM rioters, who unlike the January 6 rioters, actually killed people. There were millions of people protesting BLM
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https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...285411.7.0.pdf

detbuch 04-01-2022 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1225016)
There were millions of people protesting BLM

In the same place on the same day?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...285411.7.0.pdf

Is this in coordination with all the other rioters on Jan6 or with the tens of thousands of protesters or with the alleged "coup" by Trump?

Jim in CT 04-01-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1225016)

how many people were murdered by the january 6 trespassers, rioters, and seditionist?

ZERO. exactly, precisely zero.

How many were murdered during the BLM protests? 10 or so?

you have not, nor will ever, criticize the much more destructive BLM riots. because you don’t care about riots or property damage ior
murder.

you care about painting democrats in a favorable light. That’s it.
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Pete F. 04-01-2022 11:46 AM

In November 2020, days after the election, Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers,
began disseminating messages to other Oath Keepers members and affiliates
delegitimizing the results of the election and encouraging them to forcibly oppose the
lawful transfer of presidential power. See Indictment at ¶ 18(a) (telling those on the
“Leadership intel sharing secured” chat (hereafter “Leadership Intel Chat”), on November
5, that they “MUST refuse to accept Biden as a legitimate winner” and warning, “We aren’t
getting through this without a civil war. Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body,
spirit.”). Rhodes circulated and highlighted an eight-step plan, allegedly from a Serbian
contact to overthrow the government, which included: (i) peaceful protest, (ii) complete
civil disobedience, (iii) connecting with the police and organizing neighborhoods,
(iv) swarming the streets and confronting opponents, (v) gathering in the capitol and
discarding barricades, (vi) police joining with the protestors after initial violence,
(vii) storming parliament, and (viii) destroying the state media. Id.
Rhodes followed this plan in the months after the presidential election. At his
direction, certain members of his organization began preparing for operations inside of
Washington, D.C. Indictment at ¶ 21. He further organized deadly weapons to aid in the
conspiracy. Heavily armed QRF teams would be minutes away, just outside the Capitol,
ready to support those on the ground. Id. at ¶¶ 42-45. All contingency plans were
considered. The conspirators even sought to ferry lethal weapons from Virginia by boat
into the Capitol, if the bridges were closed. Id. at ¶ 52
In December 2020, Rhodes focused his co-conspirators on the Certification
proceeding of January 6, 2021. During a December 22 interview with a regional Oath
Keepers leader, Rhodes described January 6 as “a hard constitutional deadline” for
stopping the transfer of presidential power and warned that if President-Elect Biden were
to assume the presidency, “We will have to do a bloody, massively bloody revolution
against them.” Indictment at ¶ 30. On December 23, Rhodes published an open letter on the Oath Keepers website in which he noted that, on January 6, “tens of thousands of patriot
Americans, both veterans and non-veterans, will already be in Washington D.C., and many
of us will have our mission-critical gear stowed nearby just outside D.C.” Id. at ¶ 31.
Rhodes warned in the open letter that he and others may have to “take to arms in defense
of our God given liberty.” Id.
Rhodes and his co-conspirators created and administered Signal chats with titles
like “DC OP: Jan 6 21” and “OKFL Hangout” for coordinating their plans for January 6.
Indictment at ¶¶ 38-40. They utilized encrypted messaging applications for these planning
chats and stressed the need for operational security. See, e.g., id. at ¶ 27. The coconspirators discussed being prepared to use violence to stop the “usurpers” from taking
control and what weapons they would bring and plans for the QRF. Id. at ¶ 41-56, 58-60.
On December 25, Rhodes wrote to the OKFL Hangout Chat, “I think Congress will screw
him [President Trump] over. The only chance we/he has is if we scare the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of them
and convince them it will be torches and pitchforks time is they don’t do the right thing.
But I don’t think they will listen.” Id. at ¶ 34. Rhodes went on to say, “And he [President
Trump] needs to know that if he fails to act, then we will. He needs to understand that we
will have no choice.” On December 31, one week before the Capitol attack, Rhodes wrote
to the Leadership Intel Chat, “There is no standard political or legal way out of this.”
B. Vallejo and His Co-Conspirators Prepared an Armed QRF To Support the
Plot to Stop the Transfer of Power
Vallejo and his co-conspirators coordinated at least three regional QRF teams
stationed at a Comfort Inn in Arlington, Virginia, to support the co-conspirators’ plot and
the January 6 Capitol attack. Indictment at ¶¶ 45-49. The QRF teams guarded an arsenal
of firearms and related equipment and were prepared to speed those weapons into the hands
of co-conspirators on the ground in Washington, D.C., when directed by Rhodes or other
conspiracy leaders. Id. Vallejo served on one of those QRF teams.
On December 31, 2020, Vallejo’s Arizona QRF team member messaged Rhodes on
Signal that Vallejo and others were coming to Washington, D.C., and that “everyone has their own technical equipment and knows how to use it,” adding a “winky face” emoji.
Indictment at ¶ 44. Rhodes responded, “awesome!” Id. The Arizona QRF team member
also said that Vallejo and the group would have “rifles” and “man power.” Id.
On January 3, 2021, Rhodes informed a co-conspirator on Signal, “We WILL have
a QRF. this situation calls for it.” Indictment at ¶ 50. In the following days, coconspirators communicated and implemented plans to bring weapons to the Comfort Inn.
Id. at ¶¶ 58-59, 63-65, 68-69. Vallejo messaged co-conspirator and Florida team lead Kelly
Meggs, “Sir, Ed Vallejo of Arizona in Tenn. With cadre requesting coordinates to Allied
encampment outside DC boundaries to rendezvous. Please respond ASAP. For the
Republic.” On January 5, Vallejo messaged Meggs again, “Please text location so we will
know where to begin in the morning.” Meggs responded with the address of the Comfort
Inn Ballston, where the co-conspirators staged their multiple QRF teams.
The day before the attack on the Capitol, on January 5, Meggs and his Florida team
dropped off at least three luggage carts’ worth of gun boxes, rifle cases, and suitcases filled
with ammunition with their QRF team. A second QRF team from North Carolina consisted
of four men who kept their rifles ready to go in a vehicle parked in the hotel lot. Later,
Vallejo and other members of the Arizona QRF team wheeled in bags and large bins of
weapons, ammunition, and essential supplies to last 30 days—as seen in the QRF hotel
surveillance stills below, showing Vallejo on the left and his Arizona QRF team member
on the right:

Pete F. 04-01-2022 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1225018)
Is this in coordination with all the other rioters on Jan6 or with the tens of thousands of protesters or with the alleged "coup" by Trump?

You could ask Roger Stone

Pete F. 04-01-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1225021)
how many people were murdered by the january 6 trespassers, rioters, and seditionist?

ZERO. exactly, precisely zero.

How many were murdered during the BLM protests? 10 or so?

you have not, nor will ever, criticize the much more destructive BLM riots. because you don’t care about riots or property damage ior
murder.

you care about painting democrats in a favorable light. That’s it.
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Last I knew, the BLM protests did not try and change the outcome of an election, millions protested in locations all across the country.

Jan 6 was a coordinated attack on the Capitol, planned months in advance and with the knowledge of people inside the administration.

PaulS 04-01-2022 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1225014)
it’s not purely self serving, no, because other students ( including those on full scholarships) can use it.

paul, liberals also make donations to ivy league schools which have endowments in the tens of billions. so if you’re going to ding conservatives because not every cent of tax deductible charity is feeding the poor, at least make the same adjustment to liberal donations which are equally frivolous. I agree those donations are the same.

again, my point isn’t that conservatives are superior.
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but that is what you constantly post

"why are conservatives slightly more charitable
and generous than liberals"

Jim in CT 04-01-2022 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1225027)
but that is what you constantly post

"why are conservatives slightly more charitable
and generous than liberals"

i only post it in response to a liberal stating that all conservatives are bad uncaring, refusing to help the needy, etc.

there’s no way to make a case that conservatives are meaningfully less caring about the poor, than liberals.
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Pete F. 04-01-2022 02:23 PM

Conservatives are happier than liberals - but only because they lack empathy
Conservatives are happier than liberals - but only because they lack empathy
Conservatives are happier than liberals - but only because they lack empathy
https://www.thejournal.ie/conservati...71962-Sep2014/

Conservatives don't like yucky stuff

https://www.businessinsider.com/libe...erently-2018-1

Empathy and the Liberal-Conservative Political Divide in the U.S.

https://jspp.psychopen.eu/index.php/...icle/view/5209
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detbuch 04-01-2022 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1225023)
You could ask Roger Stone

I asked you and you could not say that it was in planned coordination with the other rioters or the tens of thousands of protesters. You could not say it was because their is no evidence or accusation that it was.

But you sure can insinuate that Jan6 was a coup or an insurrection. It's what you do--a constant flow of propaganda.

Pete F. 04-02-2022 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1225044)
I asked you and you could not say that it was in planned coordination with the other rioters or the tens of thousands of protesters. You could not say it was because their is no evidence or accusation that it was.

But you sure can insinuate that Jan6 was a coup or an insurrection. It's what you do--a constant flow of propaganda.

Patience
It takes time to build a conspiracy case.
And your obfuscation of the facts that continue to emerge in court filings is wishful thinking.
On the anniversary of January 6, Merrick Garland explained that all of the arrests from the first year had laid the foundation for more complex cases.
This is the kind of thing he was talking about: working your way up through Mark Grods to Joshua James to Stewart Rhodes to Roger Stone, taking the time to crack and exploit Tarrio’s phone, exploiting early access to Straka’s comms to get to the organizers. The investigation “aperture” hasn’t changed; what has changed is DOJ has acquired information it needed before it could take the next step.

As I said before, patience
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detbuch 04-02-2022 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1225062)
Patience
It takes time to build a conspiracy case.
And your obfuscation of the facts that continue to emerge in court filings is wishful thinking.
On the anniversary of January 6, Merrick Garland explained that all of the arrests from the first year had laid the foundation for more complex cases.
This is the kind of thing he was talking about: working your way up through Mark Grods to Joshua James to Stewart Rhodes to Roger Stone, taking the time to crack and exploit Tarrio’s phone, exploiting early access to Straka’s comms to get to the organizers. The investigation “aperture” hasn’t changed; what has changed is DOJ has acquired information it needed before it could take the next step.

As I said before, patience
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You're the one lacking patience. At this point in time, what you want to label Jan6 has not been proven. But you just can't wait for the final results. Just like the Mueller investigation or the Trump impeachments, or the Stormy what's her name, and the Cohen, and the NY AG investigation, etc., etc. You had and have pronounced Trump guilty before the verdicts were. or are, in.

As for Jan6, at this point, there seems to be different actors in different groups, or solo, doing different things with different motives. Some may actually, EVENTUALLY, be convicted of various things you hope for. But to frame the whole rally as a singular coordinated conspiracy for some singularly desired result, is premature, or just politically driven narrative.

PATIENCE.

Jim in CT 04-02-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1225078)
You're the one lacking patience. At this point in time, what you want to label Jan6 has not been proven. But you just can't wait for the final results. Just like the Mueller investigation or the Trump impeachments, or the Stormy what's her name, and the Cohen, and the NY AG investigation, etc., etc. You had and have pronounced Trump guilty before the verdicts were. or are, in.

As for Jan6, at this point, there seems to be different actors in different groups, or solo, doing different things with different motives. Some may actually, EVENTUALLY, be convicted of various things you hope for. But to frame the whole rally as a singular coordinated conspiracy for some singularly desired result, is premature, or just politically driven narrative.

PATIENCE.

january 6th was an organized, heavily armed, right wing coup. and when congressional
democrats tried to steal trump win i. 2016 bu challenging state results with zero evidence, that was ok, because shut up.

and the BLM riots were a benign event, also because shut up.

And Biden will end up on Mt Rushmore.
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Pete F. 04-02-2022 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1225078)
You're the one lacking patience. At this point in time, what you want to label Jan6 has not been proven. But you just can't wait for the final results. Just like the Mueller investigation or the Trump impeachments, or the Stormy what's her name, and the Cohen, and the NY AG investigation, etc., etc. You had and have pronounced Trump guilty before the verdicts were. or are, in.

As for Jan6, at this point, there seems to be different actors in different groups, or solo, doing different things with different motives. Some may actually, EVENTUALLY, be convicted of various things you hope for. But to frame the whole rally as a singular coordinated conspiracy for some singularly desired result, is premature, or just politically driven narrative.

PATIENCE.

I don’t know of any source that claims that everyone on January 6th coordinated their actions.
There are many people charged with crimes at the capital on January 6th.
Some have ALREADY been convicted of conspiring to overturn the election.
Just keep denying
You’ve been doing it for years
I think you forget that Mueller prosecuted Trump's coffee boy, Campaign Manager and his Deputy, personal lawyer, National Security Advisor and rat-#^&#^&#^&#^&er, plus referring a case against his top donor, Tom Barrack, who is currently being prosecuted.
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