Meanwhile back in CCB, the waters not warm enough, skunk on the flatties today….

I don't go in that cesspool of humanity anymore :deadhorse:. Woulda been best if I ignored this thread, too. As a last word before I go catch the bottom of the drop, all of these but the Tesla's (which don't qualify) are between about 23-31k after incentives under normal market conditions. https://www.autotrader.com/best-cars/10-cheapest-evs

So... he is right and nobody is screaming for 50k cars for minimum wage earners :bshake: Transition has started whether Exxon or Tucker C want it or not.

Yes it has. And it will pick up speed over the next few years. Wind is growing steadily, while solar is growing almost exponentially; it will be about 5% of the total this year, and nearly 20 in MA. I see no reason why wind and solar could not be at least 40% of the total by the end of the decade, and maybe more.
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this article was written by Michael Shellenberger, who the New York Times called “a hero of the environment”.

he has a different take on wind and solar. i don’t know if he’s right, or if those who say wind and solar are obviously the answer, are right. i do know that he raises many points that the environmentalists never, ever speak about. Either he’s lying, or the environmentalists are being very misleading.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/quillet...he-planet/amp/
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No, renewables alone cannot do it. The other part has to come from a commitment to conservation; using telecommuting, retrofitting homes, putting in LED lights, cutting back on jet air travel; these are all a large part of the solution.
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but switching to EVs means we need a lot more electricity.

oil or nuclear generated electricity will play a big role. has to, unless a new technology emerges which is possible.
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Maybe; depends on how much we conserve elsewhere.
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I think wind and solar play a part, but if they double it won't be close to enough.




Zimmy - you can't get them even IF you had the money.