Jim your being suckered again by your conservatives sources

Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States. Seizures of fentanyl sourced from China

Not Mexico

And how about some personal responsibility don’t take illegal drugs and maybe you won’t die from a Fentanyl overdose

So you can’t answer what changed via physical and policy on the border .. the only thing that change is the volume of people coming to the US for a better life.. not sure why that offends people


It’s funny Martha’s Vineyard depends on immigration to run all the summer business via

H-2A and H-2B visas are for seasonal, or peak load, temporary workers in an agriculture (H-2A) or non-agricultural (H-2B) setting. Generally, these do not extend beyond a year.

Which Trump and Republicans supported Trump administration nearly doubles H-2B guest visa program, which brings many Mexican workers
In 2019

Then Trump signs order freezing visas for foreign workers through the end of the year in 2020


Like I said Republicans have ZERO intentions of trying to fix the border issue .. they think it can be closed It’s the same simple fantasy that having more drilling permits will lower gas prices

The Republican base is so uninformed. It’s amazing and Republicans leaders use it to their advantage daily

Billions in funding for the border over the years. Trump literally built parts of his "wall" with funding for DoD programs and bragged the border was secured.

Did the wall come down? Did the border patrol stop operating?
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I think it's worth noting that Ron DeSantis himself was in Nantucket just last month s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to private equity for campaign contributions. Mr. 'Stick it to the Blue States' has no problem with MA when it suits his greed. As odious a man as you will ever find.
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martha’s vineyard depends on legal, temporary immigration.

You see no difference between that and millions and millions of them living here, having lots of kids, requiring immense services

My god.

true.


i’ll ask you, the fourth liberal here, the same question ( the other 3 dodged.)

By what logic should
americans in southern states, bear this burden? By what logic is it unfair to ask all 50 states to take. proportionate share of the illegals?

The logic is that under the laws of this federal republic, immigration is the responsibility of the federal government. If you’re not happy with the laws change Congress.

And since federal laws likely were broken, the US Attorney in Massachusetts will be serving grand jury subpoenas no later than next week. DOD IG will commence investigation of use of USAF facilities.
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Jim Southern states do not just bear this burden. Conservatives were complaining about ghost flights the said were secret fly around immigrants in the dark . Which by they way weren’t secret

You once again are being fooled by your conservatives mouth pieces

Top 5 states with the biggest immigrant population in order.

California, Texas , New York , Florida , New Jersey

Please do some research and some common sense .. if your on the Mexican border you going to get more immigration its the way it’s been since the 1800’s

You want to fix immigration fix central American seeing the USA screwed them up for decades and a more recent view

Ronald Reagan Made Central America a Killing Field
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please post a link showing those are the top 5’states for where illegal immigrants currently are. we’re talking about illegal
immigrants, not legal.

It’s not our job to fix central america. Please post how much money we’ve sent to mexico ans central america over the last 50 years. And we have military in food stamps. I say fix that first. You disagree? Boy is live to see your answer to that.

Yes southern states will get the illegals initially. But why can’t all 50 states take a share of them ? you didn’t answer that. Chicago shipped them off immediately, and martha’s vineyard officials say they’re going to donuts same thing. The DC mayor wants the national guard in there to deal with the few sent from TX. Where’s the love on the left?

The difference in Florida’s reaction to people fleeing a socialist government in 1959-66 to people fleeing a socialist government in 2022 is startling. The first group got welcomed with open arms while second has been demeaned and trafficked against their will and knowledge.
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So you criticize FL for not welcoming them, but have nothing to say about Martha’s Vineyard officials saying they’re going to similarly ship them off. The swells on the vineyard don’t want them either, and they currently don’t have any. FL has plenty.

Why can’t Martha’s Vineyard ante up and accept a few??

When you advocate for open borders, this is what you’re advocating for. Illegal immigrants who need to be housed, fed, given medical attention, schools for their kids. If Mayor Lightfoot and the islanders in the Vineyard don’t want them, maybe they should stop advocating for exactly this

Classic hypocritical “I’m for this, but not in my backyard” position. Big on talk, short on actual principles.

Umm

You’re claiming DeSantis has principles, MAGA Christians like you cheer on the cruelty and hate of Ron DeSantis.

Thankfully, most Christians believe in the actual teachings of Jesus Christ: “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me." Matthew 25:35.

1. DeSantis hired a woman named Perla to prowl the streets of San Antonio in Texas, lure migrants onto a plane under false pretenses of a trip to Boston and expedited work visas, and then dropped them in Martha’s Vineyard
2. The Venezuelan migrants that Ron DeSantis sent to Martha’s Vineyard were NOT here illegally. They were asylum seekers who fled the socialist Maduro regime, and have legitimate claims for asylum. Exploiting these vulnerable people for a political stunt is cruel and despicable.
3. Isn't it odd how all the talk is about borders in Texas and Arizona, but not California or New Mexico?
4. I love people acting like Massachusetts doesn't have one of the highest rates of non-native born residents in the US- higher than everywhere in the south except TX and FL. People are acting like no one is MA has ever seen an immigrant before and won't be able to cope...
5. The MAGA disinformation machine is cranking post and media segments that white liberals on Martha’s Vineyard are panicking and upset and in crisis mode. They have to feel that Desantis owns the libs. It’s largely based on a 30 second clip from one woman, but that’s all they need.
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well he claims that other states have the largest number of immigrants, but he did t provide any data, so he might have been referring to legal immigration, which is a totally separate issue

How would you like being a landowner in southern Texas? And hearing wealthy liberals say walls are bad, when those wealthy liberals will never, ever have to live with the effects of the open borders they advocate for.

See post 37.
Massachusetts is #13 for Percent State Share of the Total Unauthorized Immigrant Population

I saw your post. that was my source also .. but those facts seem to always fall on deaf ears

And again with the open border nonsense …. it’s that same border Trump had I guess Jim never played red rover red rover , and if you walked from Thru 5 country’s to get to America any company should. Want to hire such a committed person. And they do !

Just saw this - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

As the Republican governors of Texas, Arizona and Florida send busloads and planeloads of migrants to liberal bastions in the north to protest President Joe Biden's immigration policies, some have struck a comparison with a dark and mostly forgotten chapter of American history: the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962.

Since April, governors Greg Abbott of Texas, Doug Ducey of Arizona and Ron DeSantis of Florida have collectively ordered thousands of migrants to be dropped in Democratic-led areas like Washington D.C., New York, Chicago and Martha's Vineyard.

According to many of the migrants who arrived in the small Massachusetts island on Wednesday, those traveling didn't exactly know their destination—but they were promised they would get jobs and housing upon their arrival.

That is not what awaited them in the north. While volunteers and authorities in Martha's Vineyard, Washington D.C. and New York scrambled to take care of the newly arrived migrants, officials have denounced a lack of resources and facilities to face the unexpected challenge coming from the southern states.

For some, the narrative that has guided the migrants to the liberal bastions in the north sounded familiar.

The Boston-based John F. Kennedy Presidential Library has drawn a parallel between the busing migrant crisis and DeSantis' program to fly planeloads of migrants outside of state lines to the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962, when white southern segregationists tricked hundreds of Black Americans into moving north, promising them they would find jobs and housing in liberal states.

"To embarrass Northern liberals and humiliate Black people, southern White Citizens Councils started their so-called 'Reverse Freedom Rides,' giving Black people one-way tickets to northern cities with false promises of jobs, housing, and better lives," the library of the 35th U.S. president tweeted on Thursday.

The Reverse Freedom Rides were a parody of the Freedom Rides organized by the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) in the early 1960s, and were made in retaliation against northern liberals and the civil rights movement. Free one-way bus tickets were given to families who were lured into moving north with the promise of high-paid jobs and free housing. Some were even told they would meet President Kennedy.

But none of that happened.

Some 200 people boarded the Greyhound buses to progressive cities in the north, with the largest group—exactly 96 people—destined for Hyannis, Massachusetts—a short distance from Martha's Vineyard where some of today's migrants have been sent.

Hyannis is where the Williams, one of the first families who made it to the north from Arkansas, arrived in the summer of 1962, ready to meet the Kennedys, as they were told.

In 2019, Gabrielle Emanuel, a journalist with Boston public radio station WGBH, interviewed the families who had made the trip, including the Williams. Betty Williams, who was 18 at the time of the move, told WGBH that her mother Lela Mae was trying to give her nine children a better life.

"My mom thought that when she came to the North, she was going to have a better life for her children, better jobs and better housing," she said. "Better everything for all of us."

When they got off the bus in front of the Kennedys' home, there were cameras ready to film the arrivals of the Williams, prompted by the same Louisiana segregationist who had helped spearhead the Reverse Freedom Rides, Amis Guthridge.

While the then-president wasn't there to greet the Black family, civil rights activist Margaret Moseley was there, and she told WGBH in 2019 that the event "was one of the most inhuman things I have ever seen."

While Guthridge and George Singelmann —the original organizer of the rides— said that the Reverse Freedom Rides program was born "in a spirit of beneficence and humanitarianism," Moseley told WGBH she knew that the Black families were only pawns in a segregationist game.

While many found jobs and housing in the north eventually, some didn't. And life for the uprooted families was much different than the one they had envisioned before moving north.

'Pulling From A Playbook': The Migrant Busing Crisis
According to Abbott's office, more than 9,400 migrants have been dropped off in Washington since April—now likely over 9,500 with those left outside Vice President Kamala Harris' residence on Thursday—and more than 2,100 have been sent to New York. Since May, Arizona has sent 43 buses to Washington, D.C., transporting at least 1,500 migrants who are mainly from Colombia, Peru and Venezuela, according to Ducey.

On Wednesday, DeSantis claimed responsibility for flying some 50 migrants, mostly from Venezuela, to Martha's Vineyard. DeSantis said he's helping migrants "to go to greener pastures" in sanctuary jurisdictions.

Yep an original idea from the party who loves living in the past when they told there supporters Blacks were the enemy to their way of life as they are now claiming the brown invasion is the latest assault against their way of life:sleeps:

Reverse Freedom Rides’: An echo of Martha’s Vineyard migrant flights 60 years ago
Tricked by segregationists with promises of work and housing, Black families were dropped in Cape Cod with nothing. Sound familiar?

And guess what

Today’s migrants in Martha’s Vineyard are now being transported to the same Cape Cod military base that housed the “Reverse Freedom Riders” decades ago.

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"The Chamber of Commerce of Martha’s Vineyard said the island was facing a “humanitarian crisis” after Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent just 50 migrants to the island this week. Yet more than 24,000 illegal immigrants would need to arrive on the island for it to equally share the burden faced by Del Rio, Texas, on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Del Rio area had more than 49,500 migrant encounters in July alone — more than the population of the city itself, which has a population of just over 34,500 people. By contrast, the year-round population of Martha’s Vineyard is 17,000 people and the island welcomed just 50 migrants when the “humanitarian crisis” was triggered."

the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.

Poor victim

In January 2021, just before Biden took office, your hero said:

I kept my promises. And today we celebrate an extraordinary milestone: the completion of the promised 450 miles of border wall. … You have some areas that are virtually impossible to get by. So we didn’t need walls everywhere, but… in every region that we’ve built the wall, illegal crossings and drug smuggling have plummeted. … One of the big elements of the wall that make it so successful is we can have far fewer people working.

So Trump believed the wall was working too, and that it wasn’t needed everywhere. Regardless, if his $15 billion, 455‐​mile border wall can be defeated by any small gap anywhere in it, it just goes to show the absurdity of the whole project because gaps can and are being made on a near‐​daily basis.

The Trump border wall failed for all the predictable reasons. Immigrants used cheap ladders to climb over it, or they free climb it. They used cheap power tools to cut through it. They cut through small pieces and squeezed through, and they cut through big sections and drove through. In one small section in 2020, they sawed through at least 18 times that Border Patrol knew about in a month. They also made tunnels. Some tunnels were long, including the longest one ever discovered, but some were short enough just to get past the barrier.
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Those people are here legally that’s why the were on that flight .

Also my larger point migration and migrant workers do not strike fear on the island of 15 k people

Maybe you need to look up what an island is :huh:

Like Scott look up island instead making excuses for your man crush and lack of moral values

For the usual suspects who think we have open borders And feel laws aren’t being followed ..

Asylum Explained

In simple terms, asylum is a way that civilized nations protect persons who come from other countries that are unwilling or unable to protect them. Immigration law, specifically §101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, defines a refugee or asylee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group or
Political opinion
Asylum applications are managed by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), just like all other immigration petitions and processes.

The United States recognizes these international definitions of asylum and sets them as criteria that may allow people to remain in the United States. Thus, USCIS does not grant asylum solely on the basis of:

Wanting a better economic opportunity
Because the family-based immigration process takes too long
They didn’t know better
USCIS admits approximately 25,000 asylees each year. However, there is no statutory limit. The cap on refugees is different. So, President Biden’s announcement to increase refugee admissions to about 125,000 is not tied to the asylum process. Resources to adjudicate (make a decision) on cases is one of the biggest limiting factors for the number of asylum admissions.

Once again statistics don’t prove their version of events

Democrat Congressman from Texas says it is "literally an open border"...probably has no idea what he's talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZGmnuMxQDQ

A stunt, never heard of such a thing

yeah, they should think of it as an opportunity for endless sanctimonious virtue signaling...:spin:

Massachusetts is one of eight “donor states” that pays more in federal taxes than it gets back in federal expenditures (ranks third behind NY and NJ).
Florida, by contrast, is the third biggest “taker state” (behind VA and KY), getting over $50B more than it pays in.
Just sayin’.
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This outrage must stop. New Jersey is flying criminal Turkish immigrants to Pennsylvania to run for office.
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If it wasn’t for immigration 1\2 of Del Reo residents wouldn’t have jobs

And Republicans need to stop crying as if this hasn’t been happening for decades and their are facilities built just for what’s happening just look at the maps. MV could throw them in the county jail that’s the only bed space on the island

So when people like to again everything’s equal .. their not.

Odd when are Republicans going to start talking about the Chinese invasion their top of the asylum list :kewl:

Last week, liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard were adamantly opposed to securing the southern border with a wall, and said it was xenophobic and hate mongering to oppose illegals.

Today, those same exact liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard have illegals in their backyards, and are shipping them off as soon as they can work out the logistics.

The liberals flip flipped 180 degrees.

And they’ll tell us they were right both times.

they’re all in favor of illegals, as long as they don’t have to see
any.

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Saw the Homer one! And this is pretty good...

What the miser class wanted from the dehumanizing Martha's Vineyard stunt was to accuse liberals of hating migrants just as much as they do. It was all geared for the "liberals deport migrants" headlines. They were going to do it regardless of whether it was true, and they have.
The people of Martha's Vineyard can take perfect care of them, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts can activate the National Guard to assist and offer them transportation where they can receive services, they can do everything right. but it won't matter. Misers will lie.
They will say that the National Guard was activated against the migrants, when they were activated on their behalf. They will say that the migrants were "deported," when they were offered voluntary transportation to receive services.
The entire point of the stunt was to make accusations of "liberal hypocrisy" on the grounds that liberals hate migrants just as much as Republicans do. It's not true, of course, but truth is irrelevant. They will lie, and their media organs will perpetuate the lie.
The actual truth will be lost in the confusion, as media that are not explicitly right-wing will start exploring the political winners and losers of the stunt and trying to navigate a middle ground between the truth and the lie.

The truth is that they were scooped up and taken care of despite arriving with no warning or preparation, they are now getting necessary legal help, medical attention if required, and will be far better off than in Texas or Florida.

Notice when places like Martha’s Vineyard prove they can be compassionate to immigrants, the fascists will just try to ship humans to to somewhere else.
Because the point isn’t to *solve* a problem, it’s to make one.
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Stop making sh it up
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what did i make up?

everything is ok when liberals do it!!!

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...outputType=amp

shhhh...don't tell anyone and upset the narrative

"Some of the migrants in Martha's Vineyard say the Florida-funded planes that took them to the island were 'a stroke of good luck.'."

GOD you're despicable. They were ferried across the sound to Cape Cod where there is housing & supplies. Plus, they have to check in with nearest ICE office quickly or face permanent deportation -there is no ICE office on Martha's Vineyard (which is why Desantis sent them there)

Never mind that FL paid Vertol Systems $615,000 on Sept 8th out of the $12m deportation fund.

So Floridians paid $12,300 for each refugee DeSantis trafficked for his own political purposes.

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