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A former aide to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was convicted Thursday after being found guilty of helping funnel illegal foreign campaign contributions from a Russian national into former President Trump's 2016 campaign.
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So we aren't supposed to mention a huge, empty, politically-motivated investigation that your side started. But if the GOP plans to do the same thing with Hunter, THAT needs to be discussed. But we can't discuss why it's OK when the left does the same thing.

Please explain why it's always OK when the left does it, but never OK when the right does it?

Zuckerberg said it. Was he lying to help Republicans? Is that what you're saying? I'm truly sorry if you don't happen to like it, but the CEO of Facebook who is a die hard liberal, claimed that's what happened.

"Because I don't like it", isn't an acceptable reason to deny what Zuckerberg said.

Spence, the FBI had possession of the laptop. They knew it wasn't Russian disinformation.

From BBC. Bold is my emphasis.

Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'."
He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".

I've said many times that Zuckerberg never claimed the FBI specifically warned them about the laptop. But Zuckerberg did say they were specifically warned about Russian disinformation concerning Hunter Biden.

Bryan, the FBI had the laptop in their possession, there was absolutely no reason for anyone to speculate that it was Russian disinformation. But with exactly zero evidence, that's how the left spun it.

Look, it's not a big story, America had an election and the voters obviously didn't care. But let's be honest about what happened. Part of being honest about what happened is admitting the FBI never specified the laptop.

And part of being honest is admitting that MANY of the outlets that banned the story, now (now that it can't hurt Biden) say it was wrong to ban it, because it was legit. two years later they're conceding that.

It's not illegal for a private company to have a political bias. If Foxnews can be biased, so can Facebook. But that doesn't mean we can't be honest about it.

No Jim in my experience and their actual behavior their always lying and misrepresentation facts ignoring truth. The last 5 year is filled with examples

All these so called upcoming investigations are not for truth and transparency No different than a Benghazi hearings even McCarthys let the cat out the bag on that one .

all they’re gonna do is talk to discredit Biden and anyone around him prior to the 2024 election it’s so obvious all the Republicans can’t see it


Jiim this is the narrative of the house GOP suggesting to the American people (actually just their base )

That Ultimately, U.S. government influence at Twitter would work to derail Trump's administration, spur a widespread censorship campaign by U.S. government agencies during the 2020 presidential election and pandemic, and perhaps even light the fire for Russia's invasion of Ukraine,

That last comment is amazing A. Republicans claim a migrant invasion is Biden’s Fault. And Now Twitter and Biden are some how responsible for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine !

But it’s really not surprising how Republicans are pulling back from Ukraine using their go to excuse of fiscally responsibility bla bla bla

Because once again their base sees Putin as a Savior and hero fighting Traditional western values. Which is code for no people of color gays transgender. Or liberals

2014 Buchanan blushed with praise for Putin’s policies, writing, “In the culture war for the future of mankind, Putin is planting Russia’s flag firmly on the side of traditional Christianity.”


2022 A growing number of white nationalists identify with Vladimir Putin

The U.S. Christians Who Pray for Putin

So this new house leadership or lack of it might seem comical today
It’s more dangerous than it looks

Or, since the FBI did not warn about the ‘Laptop’ they were warning more generally about Russian disinformation. Both things (that there was a laptop in the FBI possession AND that there was a likely chance of Russian disinformation possibly coming) can be true.

If in any other time, Rudy (in his present form) came out and said this legally blind computer repair guy (who has turned into a crackpot in his own right from what I have seen when he has been interviewed) has a laptop he claims is Hunter Biden’s in the weeks leading up to an election. What reasonable person wouldn’t have serious misgivings about the origin of the story? At the time I didnt know if I believed Russia, but it was certainly reasonable to think it was a plant. That has been proven wrong, and it clearly was Hunters, however many of the documents out there (including emails) have missing or altered metadata which makes it damn hard to believe anything on there that is out in the Twitterverse.


You are right though, the FBI (Under Barr, who up until the end was a ball washing Trump loyalist) had the laptop and did nothing. So either, A., Deep State wanted Trump out OR B., there is a lot of #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up personal stuff about Hunter on there, but nothing criminal/Biden corruption. Which do you think it is?

My vote is B. Hunter is a dirtbag and there is a lot of personal stuff on there, but had there been any ‘there, there’ we would have heard about it before the DOJ changed out of Trump’s control.

you also left out, somewhat conveniently, that zuckerberg admits it was wrong to ban it.

i agree on reflexive doubts on the laptop. But the NY Post reported in it, and sourced it. They weren’t just taking anyone’s word for it. Their twitter account was banned for posting a story that was accurate. and again that’s not illegal, but we should admit what happened.

nobody had to take rudy’s ( and i agree his current form is a pathetic shell of his 9/11 days) word for it. But There was zero evidence that the NY Posts reporting was bogus. But your side didn’t like it, so they all claimed it as russian disinformation.

Bryan they reported accurately, and were accused of spreading russian disinformation. If you’re going to a accuse someone of that, shouldn’t you have some speck of proof?

I am truly glad you come out here sometimes. You and Paul are the only ones left of center cap or of discussing things with.

And i don’t know which it is, which is why i hope the hearings reveal which it is.

I’m suspicious of Buntwrs success in ukraine, of all places, and at all times. Had to be the one country that daddy was our point man on. that’s either a huge coincidence, or not a coincidence. which do you think it is?

Yup.
They got it wrong (I did say it was proven false above).
The difference is, I see it (and read the Taibbi stuff with a huge grin of salt) as uncertainty of the source and 'CYA' not some grand plan to oust Trump. But we all have our biases on how we see it.

(You missed my question about the laptop and the FBI....)

but it’s not just that they banned it when they shouldn’t have. they accused those who wanted to discuss it, if knowingly spreading russian disinformation. They made that accusation knowing there was no basis for it. Not one of them has been asked to defend that.

what was your question?

and you’re right about biases. but geez, how many of these mistakes benefit the right, and how many benefit the left? isn’t there a pattern there? Ferguson MO, Freddy Gray, Duke lacrosse case, Nick Sandman, Rittenhouse, the rolling stone fake rape accusation…

What was the FBIs evidence that there was actual
russian disinformation regarding hunter? did big tech ban any stories that actually were russian disinformation? or did they only ban the laptop story? those are sincere questions.

Interesting read

https://www.theshortcut.com/p/twitter-files

Still not sure why Jim in the right are so fixated on Twitter the Hunter Biden laptop story And this magical suppression

No one can Explain why the FBI would only look to censor Twitter and FB but not the New York post or any other Print or online media outlets

It ran all over the Internet and print news through the entire world..

They only reason I can conclude it fits the rights narrative of not liking big technology, because big tec doesn’t give them money like they give Democratic’s they’re the same with Unions they hate them for the same reason

Many rightfully question the source of the material due to the chain of custody and Rudy Giuliani clearly not a trustworthy source

"Still not sure why Jim in the right are so fixated on Twitter the Hunter Biden laptop story"

Because you can't comprehend why anyone would be interested in a story that doesn't help democrats.

"No one can Explain why the FBI would only look to censor Twitter and FB but not the New York post "

Huh? How would the FBI convince the NY Post to censor their own story, which they knew to be factual? Do you not understand what took place? The NY Post knew it was a legit story at the time they reported on it. Why would they censor themselves?

"No one" can explain that to you? Probably because no one considered the possibility that something that obvious would need to be explained.

The circulation of the NY post is nothing compared to how many people are on FB and Twitter and Instagram.

Wayne, you guys go on and on about Foxnews. On a good night, 1% of the country is watching Foxnews. One percent. That's nothing compared to who controls big tech. And it's fine if Big tech wants to have a political slant, it's a free country. But let's not deny it just because it makes your life easier.

I don't think you understand what happened. They called a legit story "russian disinformation", and they did so with absolutely zero evidence. They banned it when it might have hurt Biden, then they all admitted they had no legit reason to ban it.

There’s plenty of evidence

As far as your number two hit of Faux News having only a small share of the market

CNN, Fox News Top List of Main Sources

Overall, when respondents are asked what outlet they turn to most often for news about government and politics, the most frequent mentions are two cable networks: CNN (named by 16%) and Fox News (14%). But wide ideological differences exist both in the sources that top the list for those on the left and right and in the degree to which there is reliance on a single source.

Those with consistently conservative political values are oriented around a single outlet—Fox News—to a much greater degree than those in any other ideological group: Nearly half (47%) of those who are consistently conservative name Fox News as their main source for government and political news. Far fewer choose any other single source: Local radio ranks second, named by 11%, with no other individual source named by more than 5% of consistent conservatives. Those with mostly conservative views also gravitate strongly toward Fox News – 31% name it as their main source, several times the share who name the next most popular sources, including CNN (9%), local television (6%) and radio (6%) and Yahoo News (6%).

On the left of the political spectrum, no single outlet predominates. Among consistent liberals, CNN (15%), NPR (13%), MSNBC (12%) and the New York Times (10%) all rank near the top of the list. CNN is named by just 20% of those with mostly liberal views, but still tops their list, followed by local television (11%) and NPR (9%). Both MSNBC and Fox News are mentioned by 5% of those who are mostly liberal. Those in other ideological groups name the New York Times, NPR and MSNBC less frequently as top news sources.

Respondents with a roughly equal mix of liberal and conservative values also have a diffuse mix of news providers. CNN (20%) and local television (16%) are the most frequently-named top sources, with a long list of other news sources named by fewer than one-in-ten. Fox News (8%) is among the most-named sources in this “long tail,” along with Yahoo News (7%) and Google News (6%), both of which primarily aggregate and highlight news produced by other outlets.
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if there is “plenty” of evidence it was russian disinformation, why is everyone now denying that claim?

my numbers were right. a good show for fox gets 3m viewers, which is 1% of the US population.

Numbers on FB, twitter, and instagram, dwarf that.

People - including you as the very worst perpetrator of misinformation - very rarely say false facts. Instead, they say true things without enough context. But nobody will ever agree what context is necessary and which context is redundant.
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foxnews can’t influence those who don’t watch. Is that true or is it false?

1% of the country watches foxnews. according to pew research, 70% of americans use big social media.

the reason why fox has a big market share among conservatives, is a lack of competition. every other tv station is liberal, so all the rest are splitting the liberal viewership. that doesn’t mean that more than 1% watch fox at any one time.

context is indeed important. nothing i said was misleading. it’s way way more powerful to control big social media than foxnews. o comparison. not even close.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet.../social-media/

Maybe you should pay more attention to American news, instead of Russian
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The "pattern" was crafted by the FBI and fed to the news agencies.

From Twitter Files release #7 by Michael Schellenbeger:

Yoel Roth (Twitter’s former head of trust and safety) admitted in a sworn declaration that the feds had primed him to view any reporting on Hunter Biden’s laptop as a “Russian ‘hack and leak’ operation.

The FBI via it's special agent Elvis Chan shared information with Twitter's Roth relating to the Russian hacking organization, APT28, through the FBI's secure, one-way communications channel, Teleporter.

Yoel Roth told @karaswisher that he had been primed to think about the Russian hacking group APT28 before news of the Hunter Biden laptop came out.

In Sept 2020, Roth participated in an Aspen Institute “tabletop exercise” on a potential "Hack-and-Dump" operation relating to Hunter Biden

The goal was to shape how the media covered it — and how social media carried it

The organizer was Vivian Schiller, the fmr CEO of NPR, fmr head of news at Twitter; fmr Gen. mgr of NY Times; fmr Chief Digital Officer of NBC News

By mid-Sept, 2020, Chan (FBI) & Roth had set up an encrypted messaging network so employees from FBI & Twitter could communicate.

They also agreed to create a “virtual war room” for “all the [Internet] industry plus FBI and ODNI” [Office of the Director of National Intelligence].

Then, on Sept 15, 2020 the FBI’s Laura Dehmlow, who heads up the Foreign Influence Task Force, and Elvis Chan, request to give a classified briefing for Jim Baker (the disgraced former FBI agent who was now working for Twitter [well wasn't that just ducky?] and was eventually tasked with choosing what files would be released to the journalists that Musk allowed to report on the files and was then fired by Musk because he only released files that would not show negative FBI influence), without any other Twitter staff, such as Yoel Roth, present.

When Roth repeatedly didn't see any actual violation of Twitter policy in the Hunter story, Baker repeatedly insists that the Hunter Biden materials were either faked, hacked, or both, and a violation of Twitter policy. Baker does so over email, and in a Google doc, on October 14 and 15. (Shellenberger says "And yet it's inconceivable Baker believed the Hunter Biden emails were either fake or hacked. The @nypost had included a picture of the receipt signed by Hunter Biden, and an FBI subpoena showed that the agency had taken possession of the laptop in December 2019.

The FBI, as are all intelligence agencies, is well tasked in cloaking what it does illegally in bureaucratic ways that make it appear legit. It didn't "order" or directly tell Twitter and other news orgs. and social media to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. It primed them well to perceive the story as "potential" or actual Russian disinformation. It knew the story was about to be released, and timed its misinformation campaign to "debunk" the story before the election.

And, BTW, since it was in such direct communication with Twitter and all the rest of the news and social media orgs. and certainly knew that it's direct efforts to "warn" them about Russian hacking and disinformation which was about to happen shortly would very likely influence them to bury the Hunter laptop story and have an effect on the election, it should have, in the interests of not influencing the election, told them that the laptop story was, as they knew, not Russian disinformation.

The truth finally come out it!

They banned it when it might have hurt Biden

It all comes back to looking for excuses why Trump lost

Even with the story running in the NY post print and online version
And covered by hundreds and hundreds of other sources of all political persuasions your excuse is circulation of the NY post is nothing compared to how many people are on FB and Twitter and Instagram.

That’s flawed logic it assumes because you’re on any of those platforms. You were denied information and couldn’t or it wasn’t the individual responsibility to seek other sources

Many people have FB Twitter and Instagram and tic toc Read the NYpost NY times the Washington Post. Watch CNN or Fox. And their local news sources it wasn’t a hard story to find

So people looked for the Hunter Biden laptop story on Twitter and couldn’t find it.
Just gave up? And looked no place Else

It all comes back to the GOP Narrative of Big tech is mean to us

Did the FBI saying the hunter laptop story was, or was probably, Russian disinformation have any influence at all on how you viewed it?

Your tall tale might be believable but I doubt there is a Hunter Biden hard-drive…
If there was so much damning proof on the harddrive why didn’t Rudy go straight to the Justice department instead of the rightwing media circuit.
Why wasn’t the original hard-drive left pristine?…..Is there a pristine hard drive out there? There would have to be an original hard drive to make copies of..
Is there no original hard drive without added files ? Did the hard-drive in Rudy’s possession already have the added files before he passed it around?
Rudy is/was a lawyer, he would know about chain of custody, he would know adding data to the harddrive post Hunter’s possession would taint the evidence.
If Rudy had a smoking gun….No way he’d allow it to get spoiled by messing with it.

There is no Hunter hard drive…It is Russian disinformation.
Of course if Rudy or some other Team Trump person had a smoking gun, it’s probably because they just shot themselves in the foot.

So if there’s a “Hunter Biden” “laptop”, but from what I’ve seen no proof that it was ever Hunter Biden’s. And they’ve never explained why, when he was living in L.A., he’d go all the way across the US to an obscure store with an owner who couldn’t identify him and leave his laptop without contact information or even a name attached.

And you wonder why the con man lost……
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They can’t even elect a speaker, going after the Hunter laptop joke investigation if they ever do so, will only embarrass this lame arse party further.

"They banned it when it might have hurt Biden

It all comes back to looking for excuses why Trump lost "

I said very explicitly, it likely didn't effect the outcome since Trump got creamed. Why are you lying?

Detbuch posted that Twitters head of content security, was tipped off specifically by the FBI, about the laptop being Russian disinformation. But the FBI had the laptop, therefore they knew it wasn't Russian disinformation.

So instead of insulting those who bring it up, why not tell us what you think happened here?

"Many people have FB Twitter and Instagram and tic toc Read the NYpost NY times the Washington Post. Watch CNN or Fox. And their local news sources it wasn’t a hard story to find "

Fact: 1% of the US population watches Foxnews. And according to Pew Research, 70% of Americans are on the big social media.

I don't know how good you are at math. But do you understand the difference in magnitude between 1% of the population, and 70%?

Advertising revenue is surging at big tech, and drying up everywhere else, because that's where the people are.

Again, why are you lying?

From the clown who obviously never read the NY Post article on what's on that laptop, and will never care no matter what gets revealed.

Lame arse party that hold smore federal+state elected seats than your party. So if the GOP is a lame arse party, what does that make the democrats?

Among the reasons for the inconclusive findings was sloppy handling of the data, which damaged some records. The experts found the data had been repeatedly accessed and copied by people other than Hunter Biden over nearly three years.

The answer to your last question is easy. In light of the legislation passed and signed by Biden, it’s the party that governs for the good of all Americans.

Online activists used the on-field collapse of American football star Damar Hamlin to spread anti-vaccination messages starting just minutes after Monday night's incident.

They included the Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines."

These are the same people the GOP are catering to . and the same people complaining twitter is censoring them. They just expect private companies should allow them to lie while yelling Freedom

It’s not hard to figure out why they were banned to begin with

And these are the free thinkers who are going to conduct hearings. And expect Americans to believe them

Only a few Americans are that Dumb
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Except today, all the people who banned the story, are now saying it was legit. So it was banned when it might have hurt Biden, and now that it can't hurt him, they all concede it was a legit scoop.

The FBI, who had the laptop, was saying it was Russian disinformation.

Nothing to see, though.

False. You are exhibit A.

we don’t know what that means.

spence, how many americans watch fox regularly, and how many use FB, twitter, and instagram regularly, do you suppose?

pew research says 70% of adult americans are in those big social
media platforms. How many do you suppose are watching foxnews?

instead of lobbing vague insults like always, how about giving me some tangible information to suggest i’m wrong?

obviously more than 1% listen to what fox has to say as you don’t haven’t watch it to seee what those hosts are saying. but the numbers are nowhere near what the big social media platforms get. Fox is a tiny fraction, according to more research.

You know more than Pew research? please share, madam.

can we be clear on what you’re objecting to?

sounds like you’re saying that when there’s a tragedy, it’s wrong for some folks to try and exploit it for political gain, based on assumptions made before all the facts are in.

is that what you’re saying?

because i could break john’s server with examples of liberals doing exactly that in the last few years, and you defend it every single
time. Ask Nick Sanan and Kyle Rittenhouse. What happens every time a white cop shoots a black citizen?

“everything is OK when democrats do it!”

:deadhorse:

You've been trying for years and haven't succeeded yet.

Tell us, who is Sylvia?

Trout fishing has been pretty good the last fw days....:kewl::kewl:

Again how did I know you were going there right to false equivalence. I am shocked

Nick Sanan story corrected after more info and Kyle Rittenhouse.found not guilty

But with the anti vax crowd also the election was stolen crowd and Greene.

No new evidence or information matters ever.

Jim whenever a white cop shoots a black unarmed person people should be outraged

Time square guy machete attacks 3 police result. Not Dead do you think being white helped?
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yes the Nick Sandman reporting was correct “when we got more info”. which is why people should #^&#^&#^&#^& up until we get more info, rather then exploit the situation with assumptions

I say it’s always wrong to do that. You only condemn it when republicans do it.

yes we should be upset when a cop shoots anyone. that doesn’t mean we assume it was a race-based assassination, until there’s some evidence to support that. But that never, ever stops your side from doing it. And you’ll never, ever criticize it, because you can’t.

“everything is OK when democrats do it.”

your hypocrisy literally knows no bounds. None.

:faga:: is no defense it’s a choice :kewl: