Or that people move to Florida for a reason other than politics and have been for years. I wonder if he's surprised when he hears there are more people golfing in Florida then in say New England. Florida is benefiting from the same thing that it's always benefited from i.e. retirees moving to a warmer climate. The difference is now that with the baby boomers reaching retirement age there are more people retiring.
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Wait, and they can golf YEAR ROUND?

Failed stunts The potential Republican presidential candidate said Wednesday that he is considering scrapping all state taxes on gas stoves,



Here’s the Rub 90% of Floridians use electric stoves. Lol

i never said he’s the only reason. but liberals love to say it’s all about weather, which is ridiculous because CA has nice weather and folks aren’t flocking there.

Paul if it’s all about warmth, why aren’t people
flocking to southern CA?

That’s what happens when you regurgitate an idiotic argument without giving it any thought whatsoever.

Last I checked, you can also golf year round in southern CA. But for some reason, way way more people move to FL.

Why do you suppose that is?

I’ll wait.

i didn’t know how that statistic worked.

for the third time, how do they know how many republicans and how many democrats died?

you cited the statistic. please
explain it, or else we know you made it up.

from the Tax Foundation, for year 2022, FL had the 11th lowest state+local tax rates in the nation.

it’s a low cost state that offers a good enough quality of life that’s attracting 850 people
a day.

Spence, please name one blue state with very low state + local taxes, which offers a quality of life sufficiently attractive that Americans
are moving there in big numbers?

https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...rden-rankings/

I understand how it works and understood his explanation.

what explanation? he said more republicans died if
covid than democrats, or something like that. I’m not talking about “excess deaths”, i’m talking about claiming that we track party affiliation of everyone who does from covid. Maybe we do. wasn’t aware of it, detbuch and i have each asked him, he keeps dodging.

So to your claim, why aren’t people who want warm weather, moving to southern CA? Why are they picking FL in huge numbers?

CA has disneyland, so it’s not because they all
want to see Mickey. The weather is actually way nicer in southern CA than it is in FL.

What’s the reason?

the suburbs off NH are also growing like crazy, they can’t build $700,000 houses fast enough. Unless they’re all moving in from the Ross Ice Shelf, no one is moving to Bow NH or Hollis/Brookline NH, for warmth.

People are realizing that you don’t get what you pay for, when it comes to such things. Here in CT our reckoning is coming. We’ll be bouncing teacher pension checks within 10 years, because not enough money exists to fund them

You just said 850 are moving there bc FL is his guinea pig and people are thrilled with the results. So you're saying it is bc of his policies, but when it was pointed out people have always moved there and move there for other reasons you backtrack.

And I'm regurgitating an idiotic arguement:hihi:

You're toxic.

Health rankings:

Look at Conn, Mass, FL and the conservative utopia of Tenn.

https://www.americashealthrankings.o...-annual-report

Kaiser foundation has other interesting stats also. Tells a similar story.

i claim that conservative politics is part of it. I claim that, because it’s obviously, obviously true. Taxes is a big reason why FL is attractive, and that’s a political issue. People also love that he bucked the trend and opened things back up much sooner than other states did during covid

If the risk he took was a disaster, i’d be the first one attacking him for gambling with his citizens lives. But the fact is, he wasn’t wrong, the liberals were wrong. Desantis absolutely clobbered them with his handling of covid, how much sooner he opened up businesses, how much sooner he put kids back in schools. he also wasn’t constantly caught violating the rules he demanded everyone else live by. Gavin Newsom can’t say the same thing.

i want aware that the state determined health. Paul, if you moved to FL, how exactly would the state make you fat, stupid, and poor?

i immediately concede that there are cultural things in the south that are unhealthy, unproductive, and very unattractive. Those are choices people make, they aren’t decided by state government dictates

i wouldn’t want to live in Bridgeport, neither would you. We don’t blame governor lamont for that, nor does he deserve much credit for the fact that Fairfield County is in CT. That’s the luck of having beautiful coastline near the financial center of the globe.

when new engländers move to FL, they take their values with them. They don’t all quit school
and eat fried twinkies all
day and live in trailers.

Put it this way. there are some very nice suburbs in NH with an amazing quality of life. They enjoy zero state income tax and no state sales tax.

Please Paul, point me to the nice suburbs in CT which have zero state income tax and zero state sales tax.

I’m not saying every single city in the south is a nice place to live. I’m saying the south has some nice places to live that are very cheap in terms of taxes. I don’t know of a nice suburb in a blue state which you could say the same thing about. Do you?

it appears to me, that if you took all the nice suburbs with a good quality of life for families which also have very low taxes, virtually all of them are in red states.

That’s what people want. the migration data makes that clear, doesn’t it?

If i were getting my money’s worth for the extra taxes i pay that would be different. i don’t get anything that i see, that i wouldn’t get in a nice NH suburb.

I’m trying to say it better….if you moved to FL, your health and life expectancy would not decrease. Your just have a lot more money in your pocket. It’s not a function of state government, i less the states policies are encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle, which i doubt is the case in FL.

I have usually ignored the # of people moving to FL thing as I couldn't be bothered but since our company isn't coming over for another hour and I'm trying to hide and stay away from the kitchen.........

My comments are in red.

If people were moving to FL bc of Desantis or R. policies, since he bc Gov. would have seen the biggest uptick in net migration.

https://www.mysuncoast.com/2022/07/2...owly-data-say/

But it is not.

By The Associated Press
Published: Jul. 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM EDT
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida grew slightly over a previous forecast in the first quarter of this year, but slowing population growth due to deaths outpacing births is still in the Sunshine State’s future over the next decade, according to estimates released last week.

The estimates released by the state Demographic Estimating Conference showed that Florida’s population growth appears to have peaked last year with a 1.6% growth rate.

Florida’s population in 2022 will stand at more than 22 million residents, trailing only California and Texas in size. The April 1 estimate was 3,795 residents higher than a forecast last December, reflecting an increase in migration.

While Florida will continue to grow over the next decade and beyond, with its population reaching just short of 25 million residents by 2032, it’s pace of growth will slow down to 0.8% in 10 years and 0.6% by 2039, according to the estimates.

The slowdown will be driven primarily by deaths outpacing births in the next decade and a half, but fewer people moving to Florida also will play a role, according to the estimates.

Net migration to Florida appears to have peaked at more than 404,000 people in 2020, and it’s expected to be only about two-thirds of that by 2032 — or more than 262,000 people.

Fl has had R gov. since like 2000. so if the population increase was bc of those policies, you would see an uptick in net migration. But you are not. Averages about 3M people per every 10 years (up to 2010)

https://www.bebr.ufl.edu/sites/defau...us6_1_2010.pdf

Population Growth in Florida
Florida is the fourth most populous
state in the nation, trailing only
California, Texas, and New York. It is
also one of the most rapidly growing, as
its population has grown by roughly
three million each decade since 1970.
Percentage growth rates, however, have
been declining steadily, from 44% in the
1970s to 33% in the 1980s, 24% in the
1990s, and a projected 18% between
2000 and 2010 (see Table 1).

Table 1. Florida Population Growth, 1970-2010 Year Population Change
%
Change
1970 6,791,418 --- ---
1980 9,746,961 2,955,543 43.5%
1990 12,938,071 3,191,110 32.7%
2000 15,982,824 3,044,753 23.5%
2010* 18,773,356 2,790,532 17.5%

3M div. by 365 days by 10 years equals = 822 per day. Close to Jim's touted 850 but if you account for the increased US pop and more baby boomers retiring you might expect more?????

Florida has always had a history of population expansion (migration):

https://depts.washington.edu/moving1/Florida.shtml


Florida Migration History 1850-2018

by James Gregory
More than any other southern state, Florida has consistantly attracted newcomers. Today only about one third of the population claims a Florida birthplace; two thirds are from somewhere else, many from Cuba and Latin America but really from every state and most nations. Migration to Florida is an old story, In the late 1800s, Florida grew rapidly as whites from neighborhing states moved south looking for land to farm. The great citrus rush and land boom started in the early decades of the 20th century and accelerated in the 1920s, attracting northerners as well as southerners. Florida's population doubled between 1920 and 1940 and then doubled again by 1960, again by 1980, and once more by 2010. Snowbird migration made New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio leading contributors after 1960. Cubans and other people from the Caribbean had been part of the population throughout the decades, but the Cuban diaspora that began in the 1960s has made an enormous impact. Since 2000 Cubans rank second only to New Yorkers among those with out-of-state birthplaces.

So since most of their Governers were Ds until fairly recently and the pop. doubled a few times you can make the arguement that if hasn't doubled since 2010 maybe as many people aren't moving there bc of the R's policies?? or there other reasons 850 people a day are moving there besides politics? year round pickleball!!!!!

Paul, your post attempts to negate the effect of politics as a reason for the migration, by relying on estimates of what might happen in 2032? Sorry, that’s wild, wild speculation.

Paul no states population is increasing today, at the same rate that in increased between 1920 and 1940.

look at what’s happening right now. Today. Which states are seeing the most growth, which are seeing the most people
fleeing?

you mentioned warmth. why aren’t huge numbers of people
moving to southern CA?

I didn't attempt to negate the effect of politics on migration to FL, I actually showed that migration hasn't changed over many years regardless of what party controls the governorship. Your statement that 850 people a day move to Florida because of Republican policies holds no water.
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you need to look at the migration compared to what happening in other states,,at the same
time.

i don’t believe 850 people a day move there because of republican policies. i do believe it’s evidence that in general, peopprhino those policies are a good thing. If his policies were a disaster, i don’t think 850 peoppe a day would move there.

you said they sought warmth. i asked twice why people marking warmth don’t go to southern CA. i believe you dodged twice?

Asked and answered
How do you know people move to Floriduh because of DeSantis’ policies?
We all know that’s a figment of your imagination.
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can you repeat the answer please? of the million people
who died, where are you getting data for how many are D and R?

I don’t know how many people
Are moving because of conservative policies, how many people are moving because FL values freedom.

I do know that if it simply about weather, they’d be moving to southern CA which had nicer weather. So it then begs the question, what is it about FL? How many things could it be?

You look at the states people are fleeing. You look at the states they are fleeing to.

What do you see as the commonality?

Here you go Jim, try a little harder and you’ll figure it out.
We’re all rooting for you
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nowhere in there,,does it say how we’d know how many republicans died and how many democrats.

so you made that up. because you can’t deal with the truth.

Not a single independent/Unenrolled perished in the pandemic. Just “D”’s and “R”’s
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I don't need to look at anything else as your comment was specifically about FL and 850 a day. They only way you would be right is if you showed that the 850 per day who moved to FL in say 1990 all voted D and now all 850 per day all vote R.

You either have that info. and have been holding it back or your statement is wrong.

The thing #dupedjim doesn’t seem to grasp is that Florida has had the highest migration numbers of any state pretty much every year for the last century regardless of which party is in charge.

You’re not very sharp, are you?

There are big secrets about Florida people don't get.

1. There is no state more lavishly corrupt. Crony capitalism writ large.

2. The Legislature is wholly-owned by the lobbying corps.

3. The beaches are degrading, the manatees are dying, the rivers and lakes are increasingly polluted, the marshes are shrinking, the birds are disappearing, the orange trees are almost gone, the open spaces are full, the highways are clogged, local services are overrun, the GOP has ruined education and thereby increased teacher shortages, but yea it’s great.
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watch the bar (try to) move again.

Stop, your just going to keep the Jim's favorite hit returning like a bad nightmare.

i have t moved the bar once.

How many times did you dodge my simple
question about it being weather?

actually, i think the dead are all Rs. The democrats were either too smart to get it, or else lived in blue states that saved them
by virtue of being liberal.

look stupid the states people are fleeing. look at the states people
are fleeing to. WhTs the commonality of each group?

it’s not hard.

Jim, is losing his mind.

Oh it’s been gone since the mid terms.

We really should feel sorry for him.


https://youtu.be/Zh0pWlwSnxI
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spence, i asked you a very straightforward question. this is your response

means i win.

👎🏿
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About 89 percent of Florida’s retirement

Fla residents over 65
Born in state 2.8 %. Born out of State 18.2%.

Just more evidence Fla migrations
Has zero to do with Ron. Covid or no income tax

The trend has been this way for decades

Jim’s just stuck in his loop asking the same question a 100 times till he get the answer HE Wants. No matter the facts provided

This has been the GOP mantra since 2013 it’s was false then and false now

Americans are relocating to Florida in droves, House Speaker Will Weatherford told a group of liberty-loving activists at the Capitol.
Why? Freedom! It’s a quantity in short supply in those tax-loving states up north.

Fast forward 2022


Gov. Rons announced his Freedom First” annual budget. lol. His Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis has suggested northeasterners are escaping “tax hell” for the income-tax-free Sunshine State.

Wash rinse repeat

Yet Florida own newspapers disputes that propaganda

It’s hard data to get,” MacManus said. “My big question is, ‘Were (new Florida arrivals) typical northeasterners who just want better weather and bring Democratic voting patterns with them, or more affluent people who were upset with lockdowns and who may vote Republican?’”

“If anyone tells you they know definitively,” MacManus said, “they’re lying.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...outputType=amp



Will Weatherford says 1,000 people a day move to Florida because of freedom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...rement-states/
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A lot of people moving to Florida are coming from Georgia, Ohio and Texas #I’llbelieveanythingonfoxnews

They must have loved Rick 'Snake' Scott Charlie Crist's policies as well....

which state sends the most residents to FL? it’s not any of the states on your list. Funny Spence, y uoleft off your list, the state that sends the most residents to FL.

It’s NY.

Make that wrong.

WHy don't they move in big numbers to CA?