Originally Posted by MakoMike (Post 1065259)

So what you are really saying is that you don't like the ASMFC's determination that a 25% reduction is warranted and you want a 31% reduction?

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1065241)

That's exactly what Mike said !

You think charter guys that want 2 fish don't care about the bass ? Why does everything have to be such an extreme??
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1065260)

If so many fish are being sold in back door of restaurants as so many hwre are suggesting goes on i find it amazing in this day and age with everyone with a cell phone and taking video I've yet to see someone post a video
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Originally Posted by MakoMike (Post 1065259)

So what you are really saying is that you don't like the ASMFC's determination that a 25% reduction is warranted and you want a 31% reduction?

How do you feel about NY's proposal which will allow two fish for everyone?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1065265)

I did not say they do not care about the bass. They care about them so much they want to kill twice as many (haha)I just think they would rather make a buck now on their meat rather than err on the side of conservation.

Tell me where that statement is flawed
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1065266)

Not too many videos of drivers sleeping in their plow truck either Ron. That must mean it doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1065272)

There are different levels of concern based on one's interpretation of the urgency of the situation. Some people base their decisions on the whole picture and not just one, completely pessimistic analysis of it. It's not the charters are not concerned about the striped bass. To fish at 33 inches is a 25% reduction in their minds and in mine.


It's kind a like hating on the guy that doesn't drive a Prius because you don't really need a big car and you can drive a Prius . It's an inconvenient truth.
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1065273)

Chris
You're missing the point.
If some say that's what goes on and see it in person, film it on your phone and post it.
And if you want to film y trucks I'm at exit 8 on rt 95 every storm.
I take my orders from Ma. DOT supervisors when its time to rest.
If you want I'll even put you in touch the MA DOT if you have some equipment to be hired.
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Originally Posted by MAKAI (Post 1065275)

You already admitted you can't catch fish so your equivalency is probably very high. 😬
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1065272)

There are different levels of concern based on one's interpretation of the urgency of the situation. Some people base their decisions on the whole picture and not just one, completely pessimistic analysis of it. It's not the charters are not concerned about the striped bass. To fish at 33 inches is a 25% reduction in their minds and in mine.
It's kind a like hating on the guy that doesn't drive a Prius because you don't really need a big car and you can drive a Prius . It's an inconvenient truth.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1065276)

So....
What point did I miss?
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Originally Posted by MAKAI (Post 1065279)

Just having a little fun with you Buckman.
For years fishing was almost a no brainer at many spots.
Drag wire, catch fish. But the last few years you have to work a little harder at it, adapt to different methods. Vertical jig, live line, eels, varying it up a bit.
At the race, especially after mid July they can be difficult to find. Wasn't always that way. Mid summer at Billingsgate is just about boat less now. The Elizabeth islands used to be almost a lock all summer. Not so much the last few seasons. Something is up and who knows for sure what it is.
You can probably gleen from anything I posted that I don't buy the science line. A 50% chance is a coin toss.
I trust my eyes and those of a lot of people I know that have been out there a very long time. Been through this once and it would really suck to do it again.

What harm can come from a very conservative approach ?
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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket (Post 1065285)

We know that public comment is extended until February 26th then why is it that RISAA is going to forward the public comment after or during the fishing show which is Feb 27,28 Mar 1st..
Below is a cut and paste of part of the RISAA link above (monkey survey)
Public Input at the fishing show will be available by signing either of two sheets, representing the two options. This will also be brought forward to the R.I. Marine Fisheries Council.
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1065287)

1, If you want to come take pictures or film of us sleeping in my truck you're more than welcome. I posted where we stage when not in the act of plowing Not breaking any laws. It's part of the gig. We sleep/rest when we are told to by dot foremen. Typically when storm is in a lull or when been at it for 12-24 hrs and sleep is necessary.
2, Everyone here knows selling fish on the black market is illegal. More than a few here are suggesting charter captains do it and have seen with their own eyes, they they say a call to the EPOs is a waste of time. I say if they see it, film it and post away.

Originally Posted by brianmoc (Post 1065301)

why 1 at 28? thanks these guys and yes they are fishing from the shore where 80% of the fish are killed! boat captains? well sorry hope more guys from the shore are not like this; and this is not even the canal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98iX...ature=youtu.be

look in the rocks! 1,2,3, and 3 on the shore with one fishermen and yes they threw 1 32 back so 7 fish one guy.

Originally Posted by Roger (Post 1066052)

It's official. RISAA has changed it's position based on a survey of its members. Kudos to the RISAA board.

E mail received today:

Peter Duhamel:

In accordance with the published process for the submission of written comments for proposed changes to Rhode Island regulations at the RIDEM public hearing held on February 10, 2015, in such that comments must be submitted by February 26, 2015, please accept and record this letter as an official submission to the public hearing, specifically under the topic of "Recreational Striped Bass."

The Board of Directors of the Rhode Island Saltwater Anglers Association is hereby going on record in support of Option #1: One fish per angler with a 28 inch minimum size.

Formal letter attached.

Thank you,

Stephen Medeiros, President
Rhode Island Saltwater Anglers Association
P.O. Box 1,
465, Coventry, RI 02816
office: 401-826-2121
http://www.risaa.org

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak (Post 1058480)

We (the stellwagen bank charter boat assn.) are asking for a 2 fish@33" limit on for hire trips with charters on board

Originally Posted by Dave Peros (Post 1058529)

First off, let me admit up front that I prefer to call myself a "fishing guide" rather than a "charter captain" because my approach to taking folks out is to educate them about fishing and emphasize catch-and-release. I would say of the 125 to 150 trips I take a year, about six to ten fish are kept overall. I might practice strictly catch and release myself when fishing, but there is no place on my boat for browbeating an angler who wants to take a single fish for the table - and hopefully not an exceptionally large female fish that is far more important live than dead.
When I went into business, I elected to go small in terms of my boat and emphasize light tackle casting and fly fishing catch-and-release because I believed that would be a sustainable approach. It is really aggravating to listen to charter captains, who through their "keep the max each and every trip" have contributed to the stock problems we are facing, whine about needing more dead fish to stay in business. I have had some heated discussions with charter captains I know about the double dip of chartering and commercial fishing on the same day and have often wondered what everyone's take is on this being a legal activity in Massachusetts. I make a living through guiding and certainly not a killing, but I have never been able to figure out the logic of captains who say that being able to make an additional buck on commercial days by selling excess fish is necessary, when they are already picking up a pay check for a charter!
It is like "deja vu all over again" when I listen to charter captains, whether it is arguing that there are still plenty of bass out there, they have moved, they are in the EEZ, etc., or that they deserve a bigger share because they are in the business of catching fish. I see their "blindness" mirrored in the complaints offered up by the ground fish fleet that couldn't see beyond the tip of their noses and the dollars in their wallets and now have the audacity to try and blame others for their greed or say there is no problem because they have managed to find a limited aggregation of fish in a small geographical area when there should be fish everywhere. I will agree that the fisheries' management and science has been woefully inadequate and contributed to the problem, but ultimately fishermen are guilty of creating their own messes. We like to romanticize the commercial and charter fisherman, but doing so let's too many of them off the hook for painting themselves in a corner.
I am fortunate to fish each year with anglers who share my values and hopefully will return if they are happy with the "job" I am doing, but if my business is negatively impacted by the greed and short sighted approach of other charter captains, so-called "commercial" striped bass anglers in Massachusetts, and recreational anglers who feel it is OK to kill their limit each and every time they fish, be assured that the government won't be coming to bail me out as they have done with the commercial ground fish fleet. Tackle shops, tackle manufacturers, and other businesses that will suffer if folks can't come and enjoy a healthy, vibrant fishery. But here we are with certain groups of charter captains asking for a "bail out" that isn't an option for anglers who aren't responsible for the mess we are in.
What's saddest for me is to see some of the newer generation of captains here on the Cape posting glory photos on their websites of piles of dead bass, just as it was done in the past. Never in my wildest imagination did I believe we would have made it to this point with striped bass after having gone through the collapse that we saw just three decades ago. I don't hear as well as I once did and I wonder if it is getting worse by the day when I actually hear the same kind of statements that were bandied about during the last collapse.
But here we are again with some folks asking for special dispensation so they can kill more fish and government institutions are doing everything to accommodate them through games such as "conservation equivalency", while casting a blind eye towards what their own technical committee and studies are showing. In the end, I guess it's true what they say: "Insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results."

Originally Posted by rockdoc (Post 1066055)

2 fish per passenger and 2 fish each capt and crew?

rockdoc