Let's see, we got car companies, banks, insurance companies, govt taking over of
all student loans, proposed health care.
Ya need to give them at least another 8 months till we get the food,another cheese hand out,
clothing, shelter and they blow your nose for you.

Everything is on a spectrum. We already do have some level of aid for many of these situations, food stamps, tax exemptions for clothing in some states, low income housing subsidies etc...

Your argument is akin to the one that says if two gay people can legally marry, then why can't you marry 5 people or a goat or even 5 goats?

History has proven that when society sets reasonable limits the results can indeed be effective even when pulled at from both sides.

-spence

Spence just wants his goat bride covered under his plan.

Spence, I hope your real wife is understanding. Mine won't even let me get a dog.

all I know is that when it comes to the law, keeping a short striper is the same as raping a girl dammit!

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Sorry....I couldn't resist

If you want to see a Govt. plan similar to the proposed HC Plan, look
back at the William D Ford Federal Direct Student Loan Program passed under
Clinton, meant to compete with private plans. :rolleyes:

" We are not taking a free enterprise system and federalizing it'' the then Deputy Education Madeline Kunin said,
"We are improving entrepreneurial and competitive possibilities." Sound familiar???

So, 16 yrs ago the government started competing for student loans and even though two thirds of students and universties prefer the private companies, with interest rates competitive with the Fed loans, they prefer the private loans, because of superior customer service.

Congress just passed HR 3321 which Federalizes all student loans, which if signed into law, will eliminate fed guarantees on private loans and replace them with the government's Direct Loan Program at a cost of 1 trillion over 10 years.

Th BIG GOVT's hand writing is on the wall. :(

See, no "death panels"
 

:smash::smash:

Once in a while I've been able to sneak an article past someone that didn't know about The Onion.

You know that there are people who would believe this if you presented it to them. Probably no one in here, but plenty of people that don't spend most of their free time on fishing websites.

Absolutely. There are a large number of people that check this forum but never post. I'm sure at least one of them was fooled.

I guess I should be saving for my health care taxes rather than my biodiesel plant,
Big business strikes again. How many healthcare lobbyists per member? of congress 4?

Reported this morning Olympia Snowe (R) won't go along on Harry Reid's
proposed HC plan. She was locked out of some of the discussions.

Looks like if it passes it will not be a Bi partisan bill.

And it's all in there. Everything Obama said wouldn't be.

Well they sure are in complete control of the Swine Flu vaccine program. That should give us all a little confidence.

I hear you. One of the pains of self-employment.

Try and get under a long-term agreement now. It's only going to get worse from here.

Passing the House doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot...it's a long way from becoming law.

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-spence

I'm sure your gut is right.

A 220-215 vote doesn't sit well with me, especially on a bill that will bring massive changes to the way health care is run in this country.

I think Pelosi lives in a constant state of delusion.

How she ever got Speaker is beyond me, and being 2 heart beats
away from Commander in Chief is really scary.

agreed

it's never happened before so I'm not all that concerned.

I'm glad this is dead in the water. The House Bill is a pathetic attempt to change "Health Care Reform" into "Health Care Expansion." The former could have lowered costs overall, the latter will increase costs for most.

After meeting behind closed doors with Biden, Reid "the straw man". will reveal
his secret HC plan at 5:00 PM today. Waiting with baited breath. :)

I can't wait for this massive disappointment to come out.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the Health Care Bill will cause insurance rates to increase 10-13%.

Increase? Where are the savings we were promised???

Salty,this whole thing is insane, if anyone really looks into it they would have to say it makes no sense.

Very scary that this is the brains behind our future health care:yak5:

On health care, Reid likens GOP to civil rights foes - Yahoo! News

Brilliant plan Harry, cut $400 Billion from Medicare then add everybody
over age 55 to it. :smash:

I thought the the reason for the HC plan was to cover the uninsured or
did they forget that??????

The initial reason for the HC plan was to *Cut Costs*. It has now been mutated into a "healthcare for everyone" situation, with only a vague mention to cost cutting.

Just politics as usual. If you're wrong about your initial plan, just continually repeat something different until the public forgets how it all got started. Reminds me of WMDs turning into "liberating the Iraqi people".

Nobody said that liberating the Iraqi people was the reason we went in JD. It's just what happens we you remove a dangerous, lying, brutal enemy of the USA from power. That really bothers you eh?

George W. Bush.

-spence

JD's record is broken...

look at it this way, if we hadn't gone into Iraq..Barak Hasan Obama could bitch in all of his speeches that Bush ignored the threat that Saddam posed for the last 8 years and now he has to deal with it rather than fixing the economy....I'm sure that UN sanctions would have been just as effective as removing Saddam, they are working just swimmingly with Iran:rotf2: