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Got Stripers 08-08-2019 05:21 PM

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Slipknot 08-08-2019 08:43 PM

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I'd be curious to know the frequency of guns used for home self defense with shots actually fired. It's got to be very low. I can't imagine even in the cases where it happens it's a protracted fight unless something else is going on, drug house, gang violence etc...

If I wanted to defend myself in a home I'd want a pump shotgun or maybe a revolver that has little chance of malfunctioning.good common sense right there :uhuh: and practical

I don't have any issue with gun ownership to protect the home, but there's no valid argument that an AR is necessary.

that last word is where you fail to understand.
A cannon would do also but doesn't make much sense.
Determined thieves are sometimes hard to chase away or kill with 6 shots when you are outnumbered.

It's a God given right, not a question of necessary

Sea Dangles 08-08-2019 11:43 PM

Guns are not a god given right but certainly we are entitled under our constitution.
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nightfighter 08-09-2019 06:54 AM

No doubt that mental illness deserves a seat at the table for the background check discussion. The big question is who will be the ultimate gatekeeper on an individual basis? LEOs? Pols? Mental health providers?

Are we going to be made to get a mental health evaluation every couple years and pay another $250 to $500 like the medical marijuana card holders do for their continuing need evaluation? Another cash grab?

I do think video games skew many young people and their perception of gun reality..... Have thought so for years after watching over my son's shoulder. How many of you have seen Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto?

Got Stripers 08-09-2019 07:10 AM

The NRA very effectively spread the notion that any gun legislation was the first step towards the government taking your guns, to the point the government isn’t even allowing funding to study gun violence. Auto fatality rates used to be very high, study, engineering and legislation, has brought that rate dramatically down. Car manufacturers were forced to add seat belts, then air bags, road designs were less banked and laws to license and penalties for operating under the influence and now texting were added.

Lobbyists like the NRA shouldn’t be allowed to buy our policies and if over 250 massshootings only 7 months into a year isn’t a “red flag” then what is. I believe the military and our police forces are where assault rifles belong, the argument you need that for home protection is nuts, you are far more likely to chock to death while eating at Chick Fillet.
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scottw 08-09-2019 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1172059)

I do think video games skew many young people and their perception of gun reality..... Have thought so for years after watching over my son's shoulder. How many of you have seen Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto?

weird isn't it? in so many movies/video games you watch action heroes strap all sorts of guns to themselves and walk through the doors someplace and start mowing people down....and then some deranged kid acts out the same sort of action scene in real life...and then hollywood actors decry the violence and demand something be done about guns

afterhours 08-09-2019 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1172059)
I do think video games skew many young people and their perception of gun reality..... Have thought so for years after watching over my son's shoulder. How many of you have seen Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto?

Agreed.


"The NRA very effectively spread the notion that any gun legislation was the first step towards the government taking your guns"


It is.


"Lobbyists like the NRA shouldn’t be allowed to buy our policies and if over 250 massshootings only 7 months into a year isn’t a “red flag” then what is. I believe the military and our police forces are where assault rifles belong"


And in how many of these were AR/AK's used? Take the ghetto/hood #'s out of that "over 250 massshootings in only 7mo" I doubt many used them. They love them their 9's.

JohnR 08-09-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1172061)
The NRA very effectively spread the notion that any gun legislation was the first step towards the government taking your guns, to the point the government isn’t even allowing funding to study gun violence. Auto fatality rates used to be very high, study, engineering and legislation, has brought that rate dramatically down. Car manufacturers were forced to add seat belts, then air bags, road designs were less banked and laws to license and penalties for operating under the influence and now texting were added.

Lobbyists like the NRA shouldn’t be allowed to buy our policies and if over 250 massshootings only 7 months into a year isn’t a “red flag” then what is. I believe the military and our police forces are where assault rifles belong, the argument you need that for home protection is nuts, you are far more likely to chock to death while eating at Chick Fillet.
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NRA is doing a marginal job of protecting my rights (and yours whether or not you chose to exercise them) from the people that have exactly said that we will - if given a chance - confiscate your guns.

Gun rates are down from years ago. Suicides are down a little, overall gun violence is down. Like Auto deaths. Gang crime (large number) and mass shootings (statistically a small number) are up, like distracted driving and texting deaths.

spence 08-09-2019 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1172053)
that last word is where you fail to understand.
A cannon would do also but doesn't make much sense.
Determined thieves are sometimes hard to chase away or kill with 6 shots when you are outnumbered.

It's a God given right, not a question of necessary

Cannons are hard to maneuver and do a number on wood floors.

If having an assault weapon is a god given right why stop there? More firepower the better.

JohnR 08-09-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1172069)
Cannons are hard to maneuver and do a number on wood floors.

If having an assault weapon is a god given right why stop there? More firepower the better.




Not many cannon in the neighborhood to worry about, there are people with illegal guns, however. It is necessary to have something approaching necessary levels of home defense that might be brought against you and yours.

The right is for self defense with something you feel reasonable and legal, not what someone - you for example - to decide what is acceptable.

So the problem is a small number of bad individuals per year doing horrific things. Yet you and others like you in gun control, want to blame everyone except the bad individual doing bad things.

spence 08-09-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1172078)
The right is for self defense with something you feel reasonable and legal, not what someone - you for example - to decide what is acceptable.

But the people make the laws. Seems like the majority of the country wants stronger gun laws including an assault weapons ban. Doesn't mean it's easy to implement but that's not an excuse for inaction. Probably would open things up for the broader discussion around gun violence, suicide etc... that the status quo is suppressing.

scottw 08-09-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1172069)

If having an assault weapon is a god given right why stop there? More firepower the better.

I agree:nailem:

scottw 08-09-2019 04:10 PM

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Seems like the majority of the country wants

:hihi:.....it appears?

nightfighter 08-09-2019 04:33 PM

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Cannons are hard to maneuver and do a number on wood floors.

Not true.....:angel:

spence 08-09-2019 04:37 PM

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Not true.....:angel:

Colors!
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nightfighter 08-09-2019 04:44 PM

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I get it honestly.... Here is my Dad back in the day.....

spence 08-09-2019 04:54 PM

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I get it honestly.... Here is my Dad back in the day.....

Great family piece.
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nightfighter 08-09-2019 04:56 PM

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Great family piece.
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No, I don't have his loafers..... I assume that is what you meant? LOL, Jeff

These were fourth of July Shoots we would go to back in the 60's. Black powder. Sometimes get 20-25 of these together and fire at the same time. Crazy. My father had a cast one, then he had to get a brass turned. An engineer friend in town would produce a couple more every year. My sister hated it. Food, beer, kids and cannons! What could be better for these WW2 guys and gals? Good memories.

My brother has the 30" black cast cannon. I have the smaller 12ga.

spence 08-09-2019 05:14 PM

The striped socks make the loafers...
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JohnR 08-09-2019 07:13 PM

*MOST* Cannon are not available as village level assets ; )

Slipknot 08-09-2019 09:02 PM

Your right to defend yourself is a God given right.
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wdmso 08-09-2019 09:06 PM

I just find it funny republicans are now considering better background checks... are they that afraid of Trump? or anything to make themselves look normal.. ask yourselves why now?

Sea Dangles 08-09-2019 09:35 PM

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Your right to defend yourself is a God given right.
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Truth
Just not sure god wants us shooting each other.
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wdmso 08-10-2019 07:21 AM

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Your right to defend yourself is a God given right.
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Then i guess to seek the reduction of the sales of miltary assault style weapon. Would be my god given right to defend my self and my family. Simple
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JohnR 08-10-2019 10:29 AM

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Then i guess to seek the reduction of the sales of miltary assault style weapon. Would be my god given right to defend my self and my family. Simple
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You can use any legal means necessary to protect your family. And if you have to - beyond that I guess. I don't want YOU limiting my options from me. I can assure you I am Zero threat to your family or any other family.

scottw 08-10-2019 11:30 AM

looks like the Clinton's got another one...

PaulS 08-10-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1172086)
I get it honestly.... Here is my Dad back in the day.....

Did he use that to signal the start of the jart game?
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nightfighter 08-10-2019 03:06 PM

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Did he use that to signal the start of the jart game?
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Yup. We had those too. Cornhole with javelins....

wdmso 08-10-2019 03:40 PM

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Yup. We had those too. Cornhole with javelins....

some would suggest their demise was caused by the nanny state .. others would say common sense and technology just caught up..

Sea Dangles 08-10-2019 08:17 PM

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Yup. We had those too. Cornhole with javelins....

First throw at my brothers birthday party broke skin.
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