Skippy, you're not really challenging my views...but rather spitting up
ad hominem fragments and regurgitated partisan whackery.

-spence

Which doesn't exactly explain why the vast majority of Jews traditionally vote Democratic now does it?

-spence

A refreshing voice of reason :rtfm:

:)

-spence

Is
 

Rockhoppingmike using different sign on names :scream:

You somehow think condemning Miltary action against Terrorists (which is exactly what Israel is doing) is in anyway aiding the welfare of 300 million American?

Depends...If the Israeli actions are more punitive in nature or are disproportionate then they certainly could do more harm to the fragile situation in the reigon, which would negatively impact Americans...

Certianly our defense of some Israeli behavior over the years has dramatically fueled anti-US tension and contributed largely to 9/11. At the time some of these policy decisions may have looked to be beneficial, but with hindsight there has been a cost.

In the context of current events, do we learn from history or continue to potentially repeat the same mistakes?

-spence

jesus was jewish
satan was a palestinian


how about them Irish ?

must be St Patrick who was actually Italian

retribution!
 

hmm...seems i said something to this effect a little earlier today...

Not really, the resolution is saying that Israel's actions are potentially reckless and may cause unecessary instability...not that they are entirely to blame for the situation.

Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind :hs:

-spence

Spence:

!!

:bshake: :bshake: :bshake:

-spence

Spence:

Yep those hostages deserved it alright.

Here ya go...

http://www.rhlschool.com/reading.htm

-spence

Thanks for that but this seems more relevant to your post


http://blameamerica.com/

This is the lamest segue into your ultimate agenda you have ever come up with. Although it took longer than it ususally does, your undying blind hatred for the man can never really be contained. I knew it would only be another post or two until you were back in lockstep with the "party."




"""[QUOTE=spence]Not really, the resolution is saying that Israel's actions are potentially reckless and may cause unecessary instability...not that they are entirely to blame for the situation.

Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind :hs: """




lol...talk about regurgitated partisan whackery.:bl2:

The beauty of this situation is the liberals are attempting to weigh in on a subject that they can't understand at home in the states. The power of religion. Watching liberals trying understand religion, faith, fanaticism is like watching a Greek tragedy. Religion is their party's biggest tragic flaw on the homefront. Its the reason they lost the last two elections and will lose the next one as well. But there they are everyday espousing their knowledge about religious conflicts that have been around since the begining of time.

Spence, isnt that what you constantly refer to as US "meddling"?

Souinds like ad hominem fragments and regurgitated partisan whackery.

Most of this thread is not discussion but oneupmanship and personal attacks....myself included :smokin:


I have never wondered why different countries with different religions or politics could`nt get along....seeing how most families cannot attain a sensible peace on such a lesser scale.
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If this conflict in the Middle East gets to where Iran and Syria are actively involved that will be a hurricane of destruction.

Oh yes, because I'm objective I must hate America...how nice :rolleyes:

Typically I only assign infallibility to gods and kings, but if you think you're deserving then so be it.

-spence

Bronko, what exactly is my "ultimate agenda"?

And please don't bother me with the "hate Bush" mantra...it's just a lame excuse to avoid real policy failings under the current Adminitration.

I love it...under this Administration the size of the Federal Government is out of control, we have record deficits, a complete failure to plan for looming energy and educational crisis, the influence of special interests has doubled, our Constitution is under attack and our government becomes more authoritarian every moment, we've invested hundreds of billions of our tax money and thousands of US lives for an ill-planned and reckless war that's weakened our armed forces, our great country has completely lost our international moral high-ground and neutered our ability to influence geopolitical events...

And Bronko thinks I simply have a partisan personality problem with George W. Bush!!!

Wake up.

Did ya hear this on Hannity?

-spence

No. Open diplomacy isn't the same as aiding anti-communist coups or proping up sympathetic and brutal regimes.

-spence

I know my posts are most DEFINITELY not personal. I am an independent conservative. I am having beers tonight with a Bush supporter and two raging democratic liberals... I like nothing more than debating and the free flow of ideas. I generally do less of it during the fishing season, but sometimes with hot-button issues I can't resist. Spence's posts are always well though out and insightful, the guy knows his stuff. He is clearly wrong.... but intelligent and eloquent nonetheless.:wavey:

100% my own words. I never watch the Hannity/Carlson/Graham/Severin crowd. They are as brutal as the Bill Mahers and James Carvilles of the world. I just read a lot.:D

Now this is funny
 

I`m glad you said that :angel:

To be honest I think you're taking the easy road and applying lame stereotypes to my positions where they don't belong. Clearly from your posts you don't understand where I sit.

There really are few pure liberal vs conservative arguments, it's all very nuanced. The pathetic level of debate in this country is causing people to ignore the nuance and apply black and white rules to very complex problems. This doesn't work in business, and it shouldn't be tolerated in politics, at least not if we want an effective government.

Would you think it fair if I labeled you a greedy authoritarian warmonger simply because you supported the Administration and the war in Iraq?

-spence

Hate America? Your words not mine.
Here ya go http://www.rhlschool.com/reading.htm

It's not a hate thing its a blame thing. Typical of the Left it seems you start with the assumption that America is first to blame for any international strife and then begin an analytical process from there. Unless of course in the case a Republican administration is in power then the process remains frozen at blame America first.

Ka ~~~~~~~~~~~ Boom
 

Is this thread about our views or whats going on over there?

This really has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans.

The Left was against Clinton for his support of globalization and free trade.

It has everything to do with the notion that because America does something it must be good or right. The believe that your own %$%$%$%$ doesn't stink...

But it's precisely the awareness that our tremendous influence in the world can in fact do great harm that has afforded our country so much success. Certainly this has been forgotten at times, and regardless of our intentions the lessons shouldn't be ignored.

It's not about blame, it's about reality.

-spence

I truly think this has NOTHING to do with the US. These are Isreals actions and not ours.
But, Hezzballoh is a terrorist organization and if Isreal wipes them out, I think its good. I am not for war, I am against it. but my entire life I have heard "Mid East Peace Talks" 100 times, with NO true progress. WHat has diplomacy resolved? Nothing. We could not negotiate with the Nazis on genocide, they needed to be erradicated. i think the same holds true for islamicterrorism. The concept that the US should be lead this diplomtic effort and over time our enemies will become our friends, holds no water, we have in the past (carter/clinton peace talks) and it got us and the region no where.