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to knockoff. For me its a non plug tho, breaks 2 of the 10 commandements of surfcasting, daytime plug and on the surface. Whatever Mike did recently to the 3oz darter is great and I bought 1 of his 2oz darters w/ similar expectations for next season. Definitely plugs that were needed. Quote:
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i build my plugs for myself first of all and like to fish pencils, spooks, needles, swimmers, etc. so that's what i make while adding my take on these. varity is good and each builder adds his own uniqeness to his plugs. genuine value to me is fish catching ability and a very high level of workmanship and the overall quality of a plug. spook type plugs have been around for a long, long, time and no two that i know are the same ie: body shape, weighting, and casting traits. btw- i for one enjoy catching 20-30# stripers in the middle of the day on spook type plugs. try it you may like it :humpty:
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interesting read...
to comment on the thread overall, i personally dont care what a lure cost, to a degree, but do care how it helps me catch fish. if i need to spend $25-30 for a lure that is reliable, catches fish, is consistant, and i never need to worry about tuning each new lure or reviewing the package for errors in that particular lure, i'll do it. some lures are that unique in their ability to catch fish or their ability to fish in conditions where others dont work, dont work well enough, or designed for just those unique conditions. if a lure does that for you, isn't it worth the money? i catch a lot of fish on eels, jigs, soft plastics, and hard plastics. but, there are times that i either want to fish lures or lures are the only option. many of our "garage lure builders" offer unique lures for special conditions i might be faced with or offer better quality lures of those that were or are common today, such as danny's, atom 40s, pikies, etc. many of these "copied" lures are made much better with better sealers, better paints, better hooks and hardware, eyes, etc. are there a lot of "garage lure builders" on the maret today? sure. will many continue to be here a year or 5 down the road? time will tell. either way, the amount of builders has forced the prices to increase, but they have also caused a major increase in lure quality in both hardware, craftsmanship, and consistency. everyone wants to be better or offer better options than their competitor. who wins? the buyer as you now have many more options than you did 10 years ago and many are as much of a work of art as a winner in the water w/ their results. eventually, this flood will cause the prices to stabilize and even fall slightly. competition is always a good thing. who causes prices to jump on lures? typically it's the buyer. if lure builder A can sell his lure for $25 and it sells out, isn't it good business to keep selling it at that price as they are selling out and making money? but, most of that markup is not by the builder as much the dealer. ebay is a whole different animal. many of the lures that are selling for high prices today are no longer produced or are hard to get. again, if you can get $90 on ebay for a currently produced lure, more power to you. krispy, i used to have the same opinion as you are fishing in the daytime and surface lures at night. i've been schooled a couple times by friend's fishing a spook at daytime when i would rather fish something else. i learned quickly. i've also fished the spook at night and was suprised at my results when other lures simply were not working. an angler that can adapt and still produce will earn my respect. it can be a spook, popper, or tin at night time, modified custom lure, or an old technique of yesteryear. |
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If Bobbys Plugs bring that kind of dollars, Then :claps: to Beach Master........................Its Quaility, Commitment, and Fish Catching ability of Plugs that bring on the $$$$$$$$$$.And people will pay for That...... Also this thread is about BM Plugs not everyone elses..............
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I didn't purchased a VS to sit on a shelf nor the custom lami to just look at.. I bought a custom plug that works to fish with, I mean if I was going bait fishing I might spend close to $20.00 if not more for a days outing supply of Clams,Fresh Bunker and Eels based on the cost of bait these days... I even have some Pichney Conrads in the rotation during the season. But I have come to the conclusion that these plugs in particular should be collected and I do have a shadowbox with a few different styles and color patterns on display in the family room now. Next to some Lefty's ;-) |
Fish em, I have CT Yankees, Musso's, Pinchney's, Masterlures all in my bag during a season, most of em found cheaper than new plugs
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I have read all of your comments with great interest, obviously, since many of the posts on this thread are directed at me. However, despite the fact that I would be in my right to become very aggressive and slam everyone with derogatory remarks and labels that would ruin what little credibility I may have left in your eyes, I will instead carefully word my response so as to be as objective, factual and mature as possible, given the circumstances. This is going to be a long one, so I hope I don’t bore you half way down:
My first reaction after reading the first few posts was one of amusement. I initially felt that this thread was going to be like yet another one of those endless diatribes in which certain groups of surf casters knock the “new guys” (i.e., anyone not over 60, has a job and/or young kids and doesn’t have hours of free time to spend taking down reels each week) for owning 4-5 maintenance-free Van Staals – or for even owning one. However, I have found that when you peel away the layers of the onion you find that most of those individuals in this group would actually (and often secretly) admit to loving to own one, but they are either on a fixed income so they can’t afford it, or cannot mentally justify the dollars necessary, so instead they revert to sour grapes and put down what they cannot possess. After a few minutes of thinking about this, my level of amusement increased, as I see those same traits going on in this “Knock the EBayer” thread. I felt a little better. As I read on, my amusement turned to mild annoyance. Instead of the usual good-natured ribbing and banter, I began to see outright attacks. ChiefLinsider wrote “he beat me out for a yellow bm danny months ago. also for some old rebel windcheaters.” Interesting. This indicates that ChiefLinesider was one of those who bid along with me for these plugs. Does that not put him in the same “spendthrift” category as I? I don’t recall how high he bid, but it would seem that if he was bidding he was interested in winning and we all know what it takes to do that – you have to be high bidder, obviously. However, since he did not win the plugs, and I did, he decided to denounce me. Why? Chief, if you really wanted the plugs that badly, you would have won them by outbidding me. That’s all fair and square; this is how this EBay thing works. I am sorry that you did not win the auction, but it is a free economy. Please do not knock me for my successes. I don’t know you but I am sure that you are an excellent fisherman based upon your desire to capture these great lures, so it is beneath you to resort to derogatory comments. I then came across a post from Jimmy Z, which really upset me. He wrote “This buyer has been outbidding folks on lures for a while now. I know that name” and then he felt the need to add a puking icon. Well, what can I say? He must hate me so much that he wants to throw up all over me – right? It’s amazing that someone can feel that way about someone else when they have never even met. I sent him a very polite PM and asked him to please state his feelings about me man-to-man, one-on-one. What I received back was, despite being polite, essentially a non-response. You know sometimes you will see someone talk behind someone’s else’s back, but then when the victim confronts the attacker in a very non-confrontational manner, the attacker suddenly becomes nice and polite and says things like “Hey, just kidding, you’re really not such a bad guy” etc. etc.? The moment the victim walks away, the attacker mutters something like, “Geez, what a tool!” You see, when people attack someone in a public place (like on this board) but do a complete about-face when confronted, that person is being disingenuous. It is difficult to trust such an individual. Jimmy Z, I do not hate you for what you did but I would have actually felt better if you just came back to me with an honest response. If you really think I’m “OK” then what was your intention for the post? I was also told that my bidding practices make the whole process “one-sided”. What does that mean? Well, I assume it means that I am monopolizing EBay. So where is the crime in that? Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the whole idea of bidding to deliberately make the results one-sided (i.e., in your favor)? If this means that I am being “unfair” that’s really not relevant. If you were to go to a new car dealership and offered to pay less than the guy standing next to you, does that make the other buyer “unfair” because he chose to pony up more cash than you did? Not at all. Does Jimmy Z hate me because I win auctions, or because I outbid him? I really don’t know and honestly it doesn’t really matter. The bottom line is, it’s my money and I do have the right to spend it as I see fit. It seems more like the problem is not that I am a spendthrift, but that I simply have won several auctions and for that alone I am being singled-out! I know some guys who have 37 reels and 84 rods. Why? I don’t care? That’s their affectation and they have chosen to spend their money as they are entitled to. No harsh words from me. PS – I saw a mackerel jointed Pichney that sold on eBay a few weeks ago for well over $600. Does anyone know who bought that one? I did not see anything in this forum about that. I believe I know who bought it but I am not about to bad-mouth him. First of all, I have nothing bad to say anyway. It’s not like I’m just “holding back” from making my feelings public. The truth be told, I personally think it’s extreme and over-the-top – but that’s as far as I would go. Does the person have the $ to cover it? I assume he has plenty. Good for him and I congratulate him on being able to afford it. Would I spend that much on a plug? No. Speaking about plugs: I am not a collector. Again, I repeat: I am NOT a collector. We have two little kids in the house so displaying lures would just be too much of a draw for them (ouch) and I have no interest in staring at vintage lures anyway. I buy lures to fish with – period. If you met me, you would find that I am a fairly accomplished surf caster that has been fishing in the surf for at least 34 years. “Due to kids” (my favorite excuse) I have not fished as hard in the last few years as I used to - priorities change. However, I still get many, many innings all over the Island. I enjoy all aspects of the game – from quiet backwaters and marshes to raging currents while wetsuiting insane locations, to everything in between. I don’t have a lot of time to play around, so I chose quality, dependable tackle – and what is known to work. With that said, this is why, when I am in the wooden plug market, to choose predominantly Beachmaster as my main source. I have found that they work well and they are consistent. We all know that Bobby was Danny Pichney’s understudy. Who else can make that claim? That alone speaks volumes about the plug. Why do we see so many auctions for Beachmaster plugs? Because they are in demand. Bobby’s product has an incredibly smooth, flawless finish, his plugs are very consistent and they catch fish – and people will pay for them. They are hard to find. They are not produced on a regular schedule. I don’t know where the info comes from as to how I will be feeling buyer’s remorse a year now when BM Dannys will be available at $20 a pop, but my sources tell me that they are not going to be made for quite some time. So you can wait and wait and wait – or you can buy what you can get your hands on now. Are there many, many other premium plugs out there? Of course there are. I am not going to start dropping names as we all know the top builders but each and every one of them turns out a quality product. I have many plugs from various builders and I would say that for the most part I have not been disappointed. However, once again, it comes down to confidence. I am simply more confident with Beachmaster plugs. The world does not revolve around what you can build yourself. There are many of us out there that do not have the time, space and dedication to create our own lures. If you can do so, I applaud you. Are genuine Pichneys “magical”? I may get slammed for writing this – but I don’t think so. I doubt that over the course of a year you would see a difference between the number of fish caught on a genuine Pinchney Danny versus a Beachmaster version in the same color & size. Given that, is there any reason to spend $150 on a genuine Pichney Danny Plug to fish with it when you can have a BM for $30-$40-$50 (let’s forget about my $91 bid for a moment LOL!)? I don’t think there is. However, there is a question of availability. BM Dannys are very hard to come by in the basic, down-to-earth colors. At least I have found this to be true. This tends to drive the price up. Ultimately, if you want one, you will have to pay for it to get it. Could you get a genuine yellow Danny made by Pichney? Doubtful for that price. Did he even make these in yellow? I have never seen one. But we know that yellow is a great color. Now, what about plugs that are more or less unique to Pichney such as Conrads, Slope-Heads, Sandeel Swimmers etc? Again, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t see too many of these styles out there by other builders. If you want one of these, expect to pay for it. I would like to end by stating that I am surprised at the number of parochial attitudes on this board. Admittedly, I have spent a lot of money on plugs. But I have the money to spend. That’s not a gloat, it is fact. Am I wealthy? Not all all. I work hard for a living. However, I have the means to buy what I want and I find it small-minded to judge those who are able to do so. |
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The Internet - including fishing forums - for good or for bad have been like this since long before S-B was even a thought. Nature of the beast? Yep - again, for good or bad. Second - very few beeyotch about VS's this day - OK, most do, and they swear and cuss at 'em even when perched up on the rock while fishing them. I certainly wouldn't say most surfcasters have them but I would say probably 40% of the guys making 20+ trips to the surf a year do. Third - I'm too cheap to bid against you :smash: :btu: (though my most expensive plug is an original Danny still in the bad :tooth: ) |
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Welcome and stick around after a while you will realize that there are a bunch of really good people here.This is a great place lots of info :uhoh: .
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don't bogart all the BM's :jester: Seriously, I could care less - spend the money one em if ya like em. I think there are other plug builders who build a better plug and they are in demand AND available. I don't see the comments you singled out as "attacks" - but rather opinions. They guys (myself included) think you are crazy for spending that kind of money on a plug. But you don't care what we think - right? So why respond then??? |
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As I read on, my amusement turned to mild annoyance. Instead of the usual good-natured ribbing and banter, I began to see outright attacks. ChiefLinsider wrote “he beat me out for a yellow bm danny months ago. also for some old rebel windcheaters.” Interesting. This indicates that ChiefLinesider was one of those who bid along with me for these plugs. Does that not put him in the same “spendthrift” category as I? I don’t recall how high he bid, but it would seem that if he was bidding he was interested in winning and we all know what it takes to do that – you have to be high bidder, obviously. However, since he did not win the plugs, and I did, he decided to denounce me. Why? Chief, if you really wanted the plugs that badly, you would have won them by outbidding me. That’s all fair and square; this is how this EBay thing works. I am sorry that you did not win the auction, but it is a free economy. Please do not knock me for my successes. I don’t know you but I am sure that you are an excellent fisherman based upon your desire to capture these great lures, so it is beneath you to resort to derogatory comments. [QUOTE] That was me with the comment on the bm danny and the rebel windcheaters. I was b%tching more about being repeatedly beat out by you and I'm guess guilty of joining the smear campaign as a result. I'm really just shocked at the amount I see your name on e-bay and the amount of auctions you win. You just apparently have the disease much more than most of us. :tooth: I just don't see 91 bucks for a BM Danny as a smart purchase regardless of your income. I only read the beginning of your post. I apologize if my response doesn't address the rest of it. Anyway, welcome to S-B. |
Thank you for the generally favorable welcome...:wave:
It's not that I don't care. I think everybody cares what people say or write about them. Those that say they don't are really not being honest to themselves and others. With that said, and with the air clear about how I feel about how you feel, I'll move on from there :) |
caumsett,
Thanks for posting and giving your thoughts and reasoning in regards to this topic,appreciate it.... .And welcome to S-B.com.... Question for you though, do you really plan on fishing the Musso's and Pichney's after dropping that kind of cash on them,or will those be put away as collectible's ? I know I feel nuts using some of the plugs that I spent plenty on and pray that a yellow eyed demon doesn't come along but couldn't imagine it on your scale.... Also , do I have a chance at the current Black/Gold Danny ? :bl: |
I know one thing... I have a blue and white beachmaster danny without eyes that I got in a pile of plugs that hasn't seen water... it is really tempting to let people bid on it. Really means nothing to me. I could get a bunch of useful lures even if the price isn't close to that. Would I become part of the problem? My friends and I have debated this about extra concert tickets and the consensus was it is bad form to feed the fire.
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Caumsett - just give me your shopping list of what you want and I'll get 'em for you - time & materials plus 20% :hee:
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That's what I was thinking....
On the note about the BeMa plugs, CMS usually has a good selection at the MSBA show... |
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Thanks, glad to be aboard. I have fished my Pinchneys very hard over the past few years but in retrospect I am starting to have a change of heart. There are some that are so unique that I doubt will ever be copied well enough where I have the confidence to fish the clone, so those will probably keep seeing the salt. However, there are others (Dannys come to mind) that I have enough confidence can be either met or beaten by whatever BM Dannys I have, so these might wind up leaving my hands…decisions, decisions!!! Quote:
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