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The Dad Fisherman 08-07-2008 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 610463)
It will be great when it's legal for the firefighter, EMT, truck driver or anyone else to get stoned the morning before showing up for work and it's all legal.

They shouldn't be going to work Drunk....or stoned. Legal or not.

And its illegal to operate a motor vehicle while impaired...whether its on a legal substance or an illegal substance.

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 610463)
It's going to be great when your kid is smoking pot on the deck all the time and it's all legal.

If that happens then its my fault as a parent for not making sure he knows what substance abuse is about...whether it be a legal substances or not....I'd feel the same if he were just sitting around s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g down a case of bud every day.

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 610463)
Ya' it's going to be a much better America once we can all get high.

Ummmm, in case you haven't noticed we pretty much already can....if we so choose to. The key is to make the choice NOT to....at least when we go to work, or drive our cars.

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 610463)
I can hardly wait to hire some pot heads. Production should go through the roof.

OK to hire drunks then I guess.....no stigma there :rollem:


any substance, whether it be legal, illegal, or prescription will be abused if a person so chooses to. Hell, we have to put sudafed behind the counter nowadays and get carded when we buy spray paint.

People have been trying to alter their reality one way or another since the dawn of man, why weed is so evil for us but drinking a case of bud light should get me laid (It's true isn't it, that's what the advertisers tell me at least) is the most hypocritcal reasoning I have ever heard.

likwid 08-07-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 610463)
It will be great when it's legal for the firefighter, EMT, truck driver or anyone else to get stoned the morning before showing up for work and it's all legal.

Ever heard of a safety meeting? :hihi:

And truck drivers?
You mean speed/meth junkies?

fishbones 08-07-2008 03:00 PM

Is there any way for a police officer to know how much pot someone has smoked (or whether they have smoked at all) before the person got behind the wheel? With alcohol, they can do a breathalizer. Also, some people may smoke a small amount and be perfectly fine, but they smell like Cheech Marin. How do you decide if they are "too stoned" to operate a vehicle?

Swimmer 08-07-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stiff tip (Post 609275)
thats right your all wrong. how many peaple have been killed by a stoned driver . or beat his girl friend up high on pot.. 0 its a joke ...tax it and sell it like booze... revise woodstock .problem is to many anti smokers....:cens::cens::cens:


I had one the other night. She wouldn't give him money from the food funds to go buy a bag so he beat her. Don't tell me guys and gals don't get cranky while high.

Swimmer 08-07-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe (Post 610429)
If you pull over a person with a bag of pot, don't they get arrested, get their name in the paper, and get their car towed?


No sometimes they get what they have on them confiscated and summons into court.

EarnedStripes44 08-07-2008 03:55 PM

well said TDF

Swimmer 08-07-2008 04:08 PM

huh
 
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Originally Posted by zacs (Post 610453)
nobody is saying to legalize stoned driving. you can have legal pot and still have dui laws. just like we have leagal booze and dui laws.

Really what you are saying is stoned driving would be legal. Who says how many bones is under the influance or not. Once any effect of the marijuana takes hold your toast. Your argument for legalization is, (any word I use here is going to be insulting so I am not saying anything), insert your own word.
There would have to be a scientific standard, such as what is found in DUI cases, (.08 or higher is considered under the influence), in place before hand, as a baseline, prior to becoming legalized. I can see the only people who would make anything out of legalization would again, be the attorneys.


that would not make it completely decriminalized. no, the only thing left to do is to legalize it, tax it, and sell it in stores to people over 21.

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Joe 08-07-2008 04:39 PM

I don't know about putting it up there next to the Marlboros - just don't cite or bust people for it. If people want to grow some - I don't see a problem with that either.
If people smoke pot and become unproductive, fire them. Then there will be greater opportunities for people who make better lifestyle choices.
We should be able reduce the size of the DEA, Coast Guard, and law enforcement overall.
Greater personal responsibilty and smaller government.

buckmanjr 08-07-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 610489)
Is there any way for a police officer to know how much pot someone has smoked (or whether they have smoked at all) before the person got behind the wheel? With alcohol, they can do a breathalizer. Also, some people may smoke a small amount and be perfectly fine, but they smell like Cheech Marin. How do you decide if they are "too stoned" to operate a vehicle?

Good question? I'm sure we will have a good answer from the pro-drug side. They have all the answers.

Nebe 08-08-2008 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by buckmanjr (Post 610532)
Good question? I'm sure we will have a good answer from the pro-drug side. They have all the answers.

The test would be to sing Iron Butterfly's Inagoda Divida.. the better you do it..

Joe 08-08-2008 07:22 AM

Unfortunately - in the age of systemic policy failure - you get to a point where you don't need answers.
Just a promise of change will suffice.

Squibby17 08-08-2008 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zacs (Post 610468)
where are you living? everybody that wants to get stoned is already getting stoned.

Well put Zacs. People are going to do it anyway's I'm not sure putting it in stores will really help "society" that much.

I actually spent some time where it was legal. Amsterdam in 2002. I could honestly careless about what people do on there own but I'll admit didn't like seeing it legal and promoted. I didn't like seeing the Prostitution out and about either by the way.

If I walk by 10 guys pounding beers or walk by 10 guys passing around a splif I think the later would be less likely to act like a bunch of as&$&LE IMO.

RIJIMMY 08-08-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zacs (Post 610468)
where are you living? everybody that wants to get stoned is already getting stoned.

I'm not....:(

Nebe 08-08-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 610692)
I'm not....:(

keep it that way.. otherwise you will be voting for obama :hihi:

EarnedStripes44 08-08-2008 01:29 PM

next stop...Psilocybin mushrooms

likwid 08-08-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 610736)
next stop...Psilocybin mushrooms

"Today pot, tomorrow heroin!"

Seriously, give it a rest.
Its apples and oranges.

Gonna quote Reefer Madness next?

EarnedStripes44 08-08-2008 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 610737)
"Today pot, tomorrow heroin!"

Seriously, give it a rest.
Its apples and oranges.

Gonna quote Reefer Madness next?

I was being sarcastic...

...and as far as mushroom mtn is concerned, its natures finest psychotherapy, but be forewarned for this distinctive form of therapy is not for everybody. Really puts those cliche aphorisms like seeing is believing to the test.

likwid 08-08-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 610738)
I was being sarcastic...

My bad then.

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Really puts those cliche aphorisms like seeing is believing to the test.
DON'T WATCH PEARL HARBOR
I REPEAT.
DO NOT WATCH IT.
Towards the end they're on the carrier deck and the ocean is amazingly technicolor blue.

I repeat.
Technicolor bluuuuuuuue. :spin:

cheferson 08-08-2008 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 610736)
next stop...Psilocybin mushrooms


Spiritual Effects of Hallucinogens Persist, Johns Hopkins Researchers Report




Johns Hopkins Medicine

Media Relations and Public Affairs
MediaContact: John Lazarou
410-502-8902;jlazaro1@jhmi.edu

MediaContact: Eric Vohr
410-955-8665; evohr1@jhmi.edu

July 1, 2008

In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance
contained in "sacred mushrooms," produces substantial spiritual
effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects
appear to last more than a year.

Writing in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, the Johns Hopkins
researchers note that most of the 36 volunteer subjects given
psilocybin, under controlled conditions in a Hopkins study published
in 2006, continued to say 14 months later that the experience
increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"Most of the volunteers looked back on their experience up to 14
months later and rated it as the most, or one of the five most,
personally meaningful and spiritually significant of their lives,"
says lead investigator Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., a professor in the
Johns Hopkins departments of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and
Neuroscience.

In a related paper, also published in the Journal of
Psychopharmacology, researchers offer recommendations for conducting
this type of research.

The guidelines caution against giving hallucinogens to people at risk
for psychosis or certain other serious mental disorders. Detailed
guidance is also provided for preparing participants and providing
psychological support during and after the hallucinogen experience.
These "best practices" contribute both to safety and to the
standardization called for in human research.

"With appropriately screened and prepared individuals, under
supportive conditions and with adequate supervision, hallucinogens
can be given with a level of safety that compares favorably with many
human research and medical procedures," says that paper's lead
author, Mathew W. Johnson, Ph.D., a psychopharmacologist and
instructor in the Johns Hopkins Department of Psychiatry and
Behavioral Sciences.

The two reports follow a 2006 study published in another journal,
Psychopharmacology, in which 60 percent of a group of 36 healthy,
well-educated volunteers with active spiritual lives reported having
a "full mystical experience" after taking psilocybin. {See
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press.../07_11_06.html }

Psilocybin, a plant alkaloid, exerts its influence on some of the
same brain receptors that respond to the neurotransmitter serotonin.
Mushrooms containing psilocybin have been used in some cultures for
hundreds of years or more for religious, divinatory and healing purposes.

Fourteen months later, Griffiths re-administered the questionnaires
used in the first study -- along with a specially designed set of
follow-up questions -- to all 36 subjects. Results showed that about
the same proportion of the volunteers ranked their experience in the
study as the single most, or one of the five most, personally
meaningful or spiritually significant events of their lives and
regarded it as having increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"This is a truly remarkable finding," Griffiths says. "Rarely in
psychological research do we see such persistently positive reports
from a single event in the laboratory. This gives credence to the
claims that the mystical-type experiences some people have during
hallucinogen sessions may help patients suffering from cancer-related
anxiety or depression and may serve as a potential treatment for drug
dependence. We're eager to move ahead with that research."

Griffiths also notes that, "while some of our subjects reported
strong fear or anxiety for a portion of their day-long psilocybin
sessions, none reported any lingering harmful effects, and we didn't
observe any clinical evidence of harm."

The research team cautions that if hallucinogens are used in less
well-supervised settings, the possible fear or anxiety responses
could lead to harmful behaviors.

These studies were funded by grants from NIDA, the Council on
Spiritual Practices, and the Heffter Research Institute.

Additional researchers who contributed to this work include Matthew
W. Johnson, Ph.D. and Una D. McCann, M.D. of the Department of
Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins University School
of Medicine; psychologist William A. Richards of the Johns Hopkins
Bayview Medical Center; and Robert Jesse of the Council on Spiritual
Practices, San Francisco.

Clammer 08-09-2008 08:18 AM

OOOOOPS::

I heard that the scouts in Massachusetts @ camp when tending the gardens >ARE really caring for the {GRASS}

&& at crafts class they are learning the art of different forms of rolling paper & the craft that comes with it ...:wavey::angel:

Nebe 08-09-2008 06:44 PM

:smokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2VH0flL1RM

Joe 08-11-2008 09:47 AM

Burnout chicks have improved!

Brian L 08-11-2008 04:22 PM

Nicole doesn't look like a stoner chick. No munchies for her. Get that girl a pizza.

For the winner, I'll take Kimberley.

Nebe 08-11-2008 08:02 PM

i have always loved hippie chicks. :heybaby:

likwid 08-11-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 611435)
i have always loved hippie chicks. :heybaby:

:hihi:


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