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I'm not talking about people fight addiction. That's why I said "if they refuse treatment for their addiction". I feel the same way about someone that's 400lbs - don't want to change your diet? No health care for you.

People that refuse to contribute to society should not be allowed to benefit from society. Even you have said before, people should not be getting handouts - and that carries over to health care.

I feel as though people should be allowed to make their own decisions in life. The government shouldn't tell me what I can or cannot do in my own home if it has no effect on others in society. If you want to pump drugs through your veins, it's fine by me. But don't expect me to pay the bill when you have no job, HIV (or some other disease) and are dying of pneumonia.

But I'm just a crazy liberal.

I agree JD

You're a good man, JohnnyD and certainly no "liberal." I would feel confident if you were steering the ship of state. I would probably wince, often, when you chastised your allies for lack of precision and correctness, or for "interpretations" of text, while being soft on those you oppose. Perhaps, you might win over some enemies, more often than not, you'ld be rolled. It is amazing how the views of "right wing radio" and "conservative" politicians agree with yours and how you constantly excoriate them while their "liberal" counterparts get little of your attention. Is it a love/hate relation? It is honorable to correct your own, for their own good as well as the good of society, but their is also realistic politics. The dunderheads of talk radio are responsible for the bulk of reaction against the "healthcare" bill you hate. Their reaction to it is based on the same animus. Much as you despise "right wing talk radio," it is more effective than your heartfelt statement on this thread. In the end, the "liberals" ("progressives") may disregard the "rile" and pass the bill, as is, but a more UNITED stand against it, might stop it.

Everyone!!! Batten down the hatches. It's very possible hell has frozen over and this hurricane will bring widespread destruction - for buckman and I agree.:cheers:

(I hope we haven't been hearing from you much because the fishing has been so well. I heard Hot Reels banging fish a couple weeks ago when we were out off the Race for bass.)

Haha... Nice one detbuch.

"Those at the fore front feel the most heat." Right-wing radio and conservative news stations get the criticisms from be because they are the loudest and most obnoxious. While I share *some* political ideologies with them, I do not share the level of irrationality and what I perceive as complaining because "he's on the other team."

I find that the extreme Conservative views are the ones more often reported by stations like Fox and conservative radio, and those views I do not agree with - most of these people leave a nasty, bitter taste in my mouth. While CNN is the ying to the Fox yang, there isn't really a similar counterpoint on the radio.

The reason I joke and say "I'm just a crazy liberal" is because if you disagree with a conservative's opinion then you "must be a liberal". Political discussion in this country doesn't allow a Moderate's point of view because, in the words of George W., "you're either with us, or your against us."

I suppose, then, that "conservatives" who disagree with each other, many do, are, by your definition, "liberals". I believe, btw, that the reason Republicans like to refer to liberals as liberal is, as Spence has pointed out, that most people in this country identify their views as being "conservative". So it is politically smart, I guess, to refer to your opponent as being "liberal", ergo, opposed to your "conservative" views. Simple as that. Moderate points of view are abundant in political discussion. As far as "you're either with us, or your against us"--that was about a specific instance, not a general admonition.

You know right wingers are getting really catty when they start dropping the "L bomb" on party mates.

-spence

Are you calling JohnnyD a "right winger"? I don't think he would like that.

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You know my favorite part about this forum?

It doesn't matter how heated the discussions get, or how childishly we act. At the end of the day, if I bumped into anyone in here on the street, it would be with a smile on my face and a welcoming handshake.

We're all just a bunch of ball busters anyway.

:agree: I don't take it that seriously, and find it a lot of fun. :)
You guys keep me learnin. :hihi:

I didn't read the latest in this thread but here's the latest from our Hero and his buddies.

The Dems are demanding Health Ins. companies hand over all financial records including pay to top executives. This group is pathetic. Any more questions about a socialistic USA? They will use this info as a tactic to turn the American people ( the stupid one's) against the industry.

Sounds a little like what the did to Wall street!
Same playbook, same players, same sheep, same socialistic agenda.

Watch and see.