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TheSpecialist 11-10-2009 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 722760)
This wasn't a terrorist attack.
Sleeper cell.....

JohnnyD 11-10-2009 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 722958)
They also have to profile, like it or not.
Unfortunately for you, this vague Document in Washington that the last Administration tried to burn and throw out the window doesn't allow for it. That's also the same Document the honorable men and women in uniform are risking their lives to protect.

I'm willing to bet you wouldn't make a statement like that if you were a black man, instead of white. As I mentioned to Asswipe in the other thread, a lot of Muslims have given their lives to protect this country.

scottw 11-10-2009 08:12 PM
can't you picture JD sitting there on his couch with his hands over his ears? chanting.... LA-LA-LA-LA...I can't hear you...IT WAS NOT TERRORISM!!....LA-LA-LA-LA.....:rotf2:

spence 11-10-2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 722916)
Your right Spence, the conclusion is not there yet. That is the same attitude that allowed this to happen. Plenty of warning signs, agreed?
You can't live in a culture of paranoia. The military is a high amplitude environment and as such monitors their people differently than most business would. Certainly he looks to have displayed warning signs that should have impacted his deployment orders.

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I'm on the side of the obvious. You don't have to be a Muslim to be a terrorist. It just that most terrorist are Muslim.
That might be true at the moment, but I'd also add that the vast majority of Muslim terrorism kills other Muslims. In the end, people do what they do, it doesn't matter what their religion.

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Would you agree that the Major "wouldn't have cracked" had he been a Jew?
No, I wouldn't.

-spence

spence 11-10-2009 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 722921)
Does anyone think that if it was being investigated as an act of terrorism, the investigators would want that to be made public? Or, do you think they want to keep everything under wraps as they build a case against the guy? Also consider that Hasan is alive and will have an attorney to defend him in the criminal case.
The investigation should seek to determine the motive as it would in any criminal case involving such a terrible crime. If there is credible evidence of terrorism then it shouldn't be hidden, but that's a conclusion for a judge based on law.

-spence

spence 11-10-2009 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 722930)
"cracking" to me is getting fed up and walking off a job.
This was planned and calculated and most importantly TARGETED. He went after military people. He knew what he was doing.
How many people crack and shoot up their workplace? For all you know this was no different.

You are aware he worked for the US Army don't you?

-spence

spence 11-10-2009 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 723008)
can't you picture JD sitting there on his couch with his hands over his ears? chanting.... LA-LA-LA-LA...I can't hear you...IT WAS NOT TERRORISM!!....LA-LA-LA-LA.....:rotf2:
Any expert on al Qaeda will tell you their strategy is to provoke the United States, who they believe will lash out like a cowboy, into rampantly attacking the Muslim world and validate their assertion that the US is out to destroy Islam. Muslims, by their very fabric are drawn towards (even commanded to) protect the faith.

They also hope they can turn Americans against themselves, so that we compromise the foundational values that have made us so great and a beacon of inspiration for most of the world. If there's no leadership to defend free people under the rule of man's law then perhaps they have their opening and can challenge with a fundamentalist vision.

The last time I checked we assumed innocence until being proven guilty. It's supposed to be part of the "enlightenment" that separates US vs THEM.

You sir, are playing right into their hand.

-spence

buckman 11-10-2009 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723045)
Any expert on al Qaeda will tell you their strategy is to provoke the United States, who they believe will lash out like a cowboy, into rampantly attacking the Muslim world and validate their assertion that the US is out to destroy Islam. Muslims, by their very fabric are drawn towards (even commanded to) protect the faith.

They also hope they can turn Americans against themselves, so that we compromise the foundational values that have made us so great and a beacon of inspiration for most of the world. If there's no leadership to defend free people under the rule of man's law then perhaps they have their opening and can challenge with a fundamentalist vision.

-spence
That my friend is awesome!

spence 11-10-2009 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 723052)
That my friend is awesome!
It is the view of al Qaeda. The key fact is that it's not the same vision shared by the hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world.

The more news I see about Hasan the more he looks to be the classic criminal killer and not the terrorist.

-spence

buckman 11-10-2009 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723054)
It is the view of al Qaeda. The key fact is that it's not the same vision shared by the hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world.

The more news I see about Hasan the more he looks to be the classic criminal killer and not the terrorist.

-spence
It is the Major's view!!!

fishbones 11-10-2009 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723043)
The investigation should seek to determine the motive as it would in any criminal case involving such a terrible crime. If there is credible evidence of terrorism then it shouldn't be hidden, but that's a conclusion for a judge based on law.

-spence
In any criminal investigation, the prosecution should play thngs close to the vest. Leaking information can damage a case. My supposition is that the Army investigators may know a lot more than they are letting on at this point. They would not come out right off the bat when things are still fresh and emotions are high and label it as terrorism even if they think it may be.

spence 11-10-2009 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 723061)
It is the Major's view!!!
You really don't know a lot about Islam do you?

-spence

buckman 11-11-2009 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723063)
You really don't know a lot about Islam do you?

-spence
I thought you were talking about al Qaeda . I try not to lump all Muslims in that group.

scottw 11-11-2009 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723045)
Any expert on al Qaeda will tell you their strategy is to provoke the United States, who they believe will lash out like a cowboy, into rampantly attacking the Muslim world and validate their assertion that the US is out to destroy Islam. Muslims, by their very fabric are drawn towards (even commanded to) protect the faith.

They also hope they can turn Americans against themselves, so that we compromise the foundational values that have made us so great and a beacon of inspiration for most of the world. If there's no leadership to defend free people under the rule of man's law then perhaps they have their opening and can challenge with a fundamentalist vision. this is the Progressive agenda, the terrorists and the Progressives have a lot in common...

The last time I checked we assumed innocence until being proven guilty. It's supposed to be part of the "enlightenment" that separates US vs THEM.

You sir, are playing right into their hand.

-spence
sounds like you are admitting that this was Al Qaeda sponsored terrorism...except the part about Hasan possibly being innocent...that's f'ed up...

what the hell does "lash out like a cowboy " mean ?

I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand? Do you ever step back and think about how stupid something like that is when you say it ?......I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand....you need professional help:rotf2:

seems to me the dumbass that can't mutter the word terrorism without wetting his panties is actually who would be playing into Al Qaeda's hands:uhuh:

spence 11-11-2009 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 723141)
sounds like you are admitting that this was Al Qaeda sponsored terrorism...except the part about Hasan possibly being innocent...that's f'ed up...

what the hell does "lash out like a cowboy " mean ?

I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand? Do you ever step back and think about how stupid something like that is when you say it ?......I'm playing right into Al Qaeda's hand....you need professional help:rotf2:

seems to me the dumbass that can't mutter the word terrorism without wetting his panties is actually who would be playing into Al Qaeda's hands:uhuh:
Wow, this is a weak post.

-spence

scottw 11-12-2009 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723256)
Wow, this is a weak post.

-spence
Most experts agree that you just make it up as you go along :uhuh:

justplugit 11-12-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 723062)
In any criminal investigation, the prosecution should play thngs close to the vest. Leaking information can damage a case. My supposition is that the Army investigators may know a lot more than they are letting on at this point. They would not come out right off the bat when things are still fresh and emotions are high and label it as terrorism even if they think it may be.
I would agree, there maybe a lot more tied to this incident that they are looking into which could disrupt other plots if it truly is terrorism.
But if they find it is terrorism in the end, it will be the first domestic terrorism since 9/11 and under Obama's watch.

spence 11-12-2009 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 723532)
But if they find it is terrorism in the end, it will be the first domestic terrorism since 9/11 and under Obama's watch.
I'll bet you nearly wet yourself typing that.

-spence

justplugit 11-12-2009 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723535)
I'll bet you nearly wet yourself typing that.

-spence
Ya, that and the fact that i've been accused of "undermining the mission" get's me all excited. :rolleyes:

To use a Spenceism, your statements are is so silly. :hihi:

JohnnyD 11-12-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723535)
I'll bet you nearly wet yourself typing that.

-spence
No kidding. This guy was in the armed services for 3+ separate administrations, but one guy losing his mind means that Obama isn't doing his job.

His statement is on par with the idiots that say 9/11 was Bush's fault.

justplugit 11-12-2009 08:11 PM
JD, that is just a statement of fact. You can't blame Obama, but from what we've been told, there were indications this guy was being tracked because of his statements and associations.Not one imho, I'd want in our military.
Fore warned should have been fore armed.

spence 11-12-2009 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 723551)
JD, that is just a statement of fact. You can't blame Obama, but from what we've been told, there were indications this guy was being tracked because of his statements and associations.Not one imho, I'd want in our military.
Fore warned should have been fore armed.
Fact??? Nothing has been proven yet.

When liberals said similar things about Iraq they were accused of wanting US troops to die to help make their point.

-spence

buckman 11-13-2009 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723553)
Fact??? Nothing has been proven yet.

When liberals said similar things about Iraq they were accused of wanting US troops to die to help make their point.

-spence
By who?
And why do you keep coming on this lame thread?:rotf2:

spence 11-13-2009 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 723575)
By who?
Wouldn't surprise me if you did several times.

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And why do you keep coming on this lame thread?:rotf2:
I'm trying to test my assumption that ScottW can't really product an unlimited number of non sequitors.

-spence

justplugit 11-13-2009 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 723532)
I would agree, there maybe a lot more tied to this incident that they are looking into which could disrupt other plots if it truly is terrorism.
But if they find it is terrorism in the end, it will be the first domestic terrorism since 9/11 and under Obama's watch.
Spence, this was the original post, what Fact??? are you questioning. :huh:

Unless there has been another terrorist attack i don't now about since 9/11
then "if they find it is terrorism in the end" the fact is it will be under Obama's watch.

If you are looking for facts pointing to terrorism, a few I remember, he had
e-mailed the al qaeda recruiter in Yemen, he went to the same Florida Mosque
that the 9/11 terrorists attended, he had SOA (soldier of Allah)under his name on his professional card,
and was charged with premeditated murder as he bought the guns he used shortly before the attack.
I go along with Fishbone's post and the possible reasons why he may not have been charged as a terrorist so far,
but if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck it's a duck.

scottw 11-13-2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723592)
Wouldn't surprise me if you did several times.


I'm trying to test my assumption that ScottW can't really product an unlimited number of non sequitors.

-spence
I don't know that I can "product" anything...


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