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DZ 05-11-2010 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 767292)
22 wearbars in each boot. i was going to put 2 more right in front of the 5 in the back but for some reason the boots didn't want to take them. all other studs went in fine without any problems. at first i was worried about the studs that went into the felt would sit higher but you can crank them down to just about the same height. you just have to be careful not to over tighten them. great idea by pete and bill!!! :cheers:

Thumper et all,

Let us know if the studs stay put after a few outings. I've also been looking at those boots.

DZ

JohnR 05-11-2010 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MAC (Post 766874)
walk in the dirt on the side of the road...:jump1:

No dirt ;)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 767292)
22 wearbars in each boot. i was going to put 2 more right in front of the 5 in the back but for some reason the boots didn't want to take them. all other studs went in fine without any problems. at first i was worried about the studs that went into the felt would sit higher but you can crank them down to just about the same height. you just have to be careful not to over tighten them. great idea by pete and bill!!! :cheers:

Nice work gents - look forward to the results.

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Originally Posted by pbadad (Post 767309)
I will mention one caution, when standing on extremely heavy bubble weed check your stability by grinding for a grip. Thats the only negative difference between the ss screw modified Korkers and the studded boots.

Can you clarify? I'm missing the difference - thanks!

afterhours 05-11-2010 07:02 AM

i think billys referring to the difference in the amount of exposed metal between the two...the boot stud vs the end of the bolt plus the nut on the converted korkers..

Redsoxticket 05-11-2010 04:38 PM

John it sounds like the korker studs have less service area (sharper point) which leads to a better pearcing of the bubble weed then the SS bolts which have a larger surface area.

Thumper 05-11-2010 05:20 PM

any rock i get on in the surf i usually always grind the surface just to see what im dealing with. i make sure to get a good purchase not only to cross some eyes but for when the three sisters come.

Thumper 05-11-2010 11:18 PM

just got in from the first time using them. boots are very sticky on the rocks and i felt pretty confident with them on if a wave came. we will have to see how the studs hold up throughout the season but i think these are definitely a winner.

pbadad 05-12-2010 06:26 AM

Thats great. The comfort and performance of these studded boots will bring pleasure to those rock hopping nights. Keep us posted. I have a few members going this route and they also have the same reasons for changing.

JohnR 05-12-2010 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by afterhours (Post 767317)
i think billys referring to the difference in the amount of exposed metal between the two...the boot stud vs the end of the bolt plus the nut on the converted korkers..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket (Post 767398)
John it sounds like the korker studs have less service area (sharper point) which leads to a better pearcing of the bubble weed then the SS bolts which have a larger surface area.

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Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 767452)
just got in from the first time using them. boots are very sticky on the rocks and i felt pretty confident with them on if a wave came. we will have to see how the studs hold up throughout the season but i think these are definitely a winner.

Sounds good... How do the sizes on the boots run relative to regular sizes? Sometimes they say to order your regular show size (that they allow for the stocking foot) and they still come in way too small.

Thumper 05-12-2010 08:08 AM

i orderd one size larger than my reg shoe size and they fit great. i hate when they tell you to order the same size as ur reg shoes, it never works.

pbadad 05-12-2010 05:36 PM

I have both sizes in the boots. the one 1 size larger fit much nicer. Both work but I prefer the bigger one. cabelas says to order your shoe size LLbean says 1 size larger. keep in mind I wear size 14. There isn't many options. guidewear and ultra lights in 15 fit great. The ultra lights in 14 are ok w/ my breathables socking foot but the neoprene stocking foot has a 3.5 mm foot so it's tight. John if you need boots to thread the studs in go with the light cabelas ultra light boot. I've used them 7 years with great service. I have the the newer ones 2 yrs. I wish I bought the ultra lights in 15 but at the time last year they were not available in my cavernous size. The guide wear boot was. My buddy says I should of just studded the box!!!!!!

afterhours 05-14-2010 05:03 PM

simms headwaters w/ wearbars :love: lightweight when wet and traction city...

ivanputski 05-14-2010 11:10 PM

A few close up shots of my boots with wearbars... looking forward to fishing without the ankle weights!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/...abe43632_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1424/...0d487c4e_o.jpg

22 spikes per boot (for now) 14 went into the rubber spots meant for stream screws, the rest were screwed straight into the felt... if you are looking to go this route and have felt bottoms without the fancy new rubber spots made to receive screws, dont worry... to be honest, the screws actually feel like they hold and tighten up better directly into the felt...




http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/...7298bc7c_o.jpg

pbadad 05-15-2010 07:25 AM

Nice looking . You used washers to bring up the stud height in the rubber receivers?

ivanputski 05-15-2010 09:25 AM

yes, in an attempt to equalize the height

JohnR 08-02-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanputski (Post 765581)
We all know korkers are a must, but I hate the idea of the 2-pounds of rubber I strap on my feet to simply put a few studs under my feet. I dont like Korkers boots with interchangeable soles... the things fall off... an besides, i dont want to change the soles! I want spikes at all times, minus the extra weight... I think my winter-long quest may have ended. narrowed it down to 2 brands of screw-in carbide spikes that go directly into the sole of your boot, and stay there... (even when you walk into mobil for a coffee... sorry Dan!) The choice comes down to wearbars, or best-grip spikes... Wader Stud Info
the best grip have a super-wide thread that looks like they will stay put. Anyone use either of these? My new boots have felt soles with rubber spots for provided "stream screws" which are garbage, but will hold the ones I hope to buy. If anyone has any first hand experience, please share... I hope my days of surfcasting with Richard Simmons ankle weights will come to an end, and my mile long walks will be a bit lighter... I'll let you know how things go. Then I'm going to burn my korkers like those hippy broads burned their bras in the 60's!
http://www.wearbars.com/images/Product/TLS500B-48.jpg
These are the wearbars... the best grips look even better

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Originally Posted by pbadad (Post 765732)
IP, my partner and I have used the same concept all last season. Block, Cutty, Squibnocket and local. Zero problems and convenient. I used the cabelas guide boot and he the Chotas. I added 7 more studs to the felt soles. total 21 spikes. These spikes are carbide and are used on snow machine tracks.Wear like iron. No signs of wear. Heck i'd be putting new studs in Korkers if they can be threaded twice ina season. I too had issues on long walks w/ 2 lb sandals. I did ss bolt route in the corkers soles also but the weight was a killer. You won't be dissappointed. I actually wrote an article for our club's newsletter this month on this concept. If you look at the cabelas Ultra-lite boots they now come with stud insert receivers. These are 1/2 the weight of the leather wading boots. I used these with the unreplaceable studs and they were very comfortable. I wish they came out b/4 I went and bought the leather ones. Either way this is a great improvement over the sandals.

Which ones did you get? I'm assuming you got the Aggressive stud but I want to be sure - thanks!

About Wader Studs | Premium Studs For Wader Boots

tattoobob 08-02-2010 08:12 PM

These are the ones you want

http://www.wearbars.com/ProductDetai...?productID=246

ivanputski 08-03-2010 12:50 AM

25+ nights on narragansett's rocky coast, 4 trips to Block, Not one crushed spike, not one lost spike... I will never wear Korkers again... If you are wearing K-5000's after reading this thread, you're crazy...
ask yourself this question: is your personal comfort, as well as the added convenience of less gear
to pack worth 46 dollars? Then get on it... There is no more question or doubt if they work, hold up, or compare to korkers... they have been rigorously used and abused by at least a dozen guys on here.
Unless korkers actually makes a boot that has threaded receivers for their spikes directly built into the sole, I believe wearbars will quickly become the new standard in a few seasons... I tell so many people about them you'd think I was getting a commission! Do yourself a favor, order them YESTERDAY

numbskull 08-03-2010 06:24 AM

I agree. I went Don's route with the Simms headwaters and wearbars and have been very happy. They've held up great and are more comfortable than I thought they would be. I did find it better going in dry rock when I removed the one stud under the ball of my foot (big toe side).

JohnR 08-03-2010 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tattoobob (Post 785440)
These are the ones you want

Wearbars.com - Product Details

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Originally Posted by ivanputski (Post 785472)
25+ nights on narragansett's rocky coast, 4 trips to Block, Not one crushed spike, not one lost spike... I will never wear Korkers again... If you are wearing K-5000's after reading this thread, you are either stubborn, or just plan stupid.


THanks guys - that was what I was looking for - the earlier link didn't look just right.

Pete F. 08-03-2010 02:21 PM

John,
I probably outweigh those guys by 50-75 #s @ 230. I have torn out some studs and rolled some. Some of this is due to my boots, LLbean rivertreads, but I think it is also pounds per stud. Mine are wearbars. All that said I still like them better than Korkers and will not go back. The simms boots that I looked at have stiffer soles and should have less roll problems.

ivanputski 08-03-2010 02:44 PM

I think that the heavier you are, the more studs you should put on each boot... I have 22 studs per foot, but if you think about it, you are actually only in contact with a few at a time... so more spikes will help distribute your weight better, while sharing the load... it is important to note that I weigh 175 geared up

Rob Rockcrawler 08-03-2010 04:20 PM

It looks like all the modifications are done on felt soles. Is it possible to do it on lug soles as well? I would think the sole would be too thin and the screw would hit your feet.

pbadad 08-03-2010 05:01 PM

John, you'll really appreciate the Wearbars with boots over the Korkers. Since my article in the club paper, a few members changed over and have not looked back. I personally purchased the 3/4" length threaded studs. I put them in the Cabelas guide boots (which are very similar to Choata's) w/ a SS spacer washer below the stud to #1 bring up the stud hieght slighly, #2 to install in the felt portion w/o the screw reciever and #3 to keep the stud thread end from possibly coming through the inner sole . I did use them w/o and only had 1 come through on each boot. Everyone I see bought the 1/2" thread length version. Going on 2 seasons, no wearout of studs. Some did turn over slightly but it was the insert that turned over. You will realize once you wear them that the korkers use will be antiquated. Boot option is also the Calbelas Ultra -lights. They come with the inserts and weigh < 1 lb ea. I use a total 0f 21 in my boots. 14 inserts are in the boots. I add 7 to sole. I'll let you know where I put them if you're interested.

numbskull 08-03-2010 05:01 PM

I use mine in Simms lug soles and they are fine.

PaulS 08-04-2010 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pbadad (Post 785650)
John, you'll really appreciate the Wearbars with boots over the Korkers. Since my article in the club paper, a few members changed over and have not looked back. I personally purchased the 3/4" length threaded studs. I put them in the Cabelas guide boots (which are very similar to Choata's) w/ a SS spacer washer below the stud to #1 bring up the stud hieght slighly, #2 to install in the felt portion w/o the screw reciever and #3 to keep the stud thread end from possibly coming through the inner sole . I did use them w/o and only had 1 come through on each boot. Everyone I see bought the 1/2" thread length version. Going on 2 seasons, no wearout of studs. Some did turn over slightly but it was the insert that turned over. You will realize once you wear them that the korkers use will be antiquated. Boot option is also the Calbelas Ultra -lights. They come with the inserts and weigh < 1 lb ea. I use a total 0f 21 in my boots. 14 inserts are in the boots. I add 7 to sole. I'll let you know where I put them if you're interested.


Are you going to the CSA meeting tonight and if so, can you pls. bring your boots so I can see them. Not 100% sure if I'm going or not though.

pbadad 08-04-2010 11:19 AM

Paul, I'll bring 1 boot to look at.

Pete F. 08-30-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 785487)
THanks guys - that was what I was looking for - the earlier link didn't look just right.

So John, did those boots work for you?
If so which ones were they and how did the sizing run?
Pete

Rob Rockcrawler 03-05-2011 07:57 AM

Just loaded up my new boots with wearbars yesterday. Cant wait to put em to the test. However, being kind of lazy, i always considered fishing with korkers as exercise :).

JohnnySaxatilis 03-05-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Rockcrawler (Post 841962)
However, being kind of lazy, i always considered fishing with korkers as exercise :).

And you look so much cooler with huge black rubber clown shoes on!

Nice. I'm convinced after reading this is the way to go.

Ken_J 03-06-2011 05:29 PM

so, can i get the 3/4" wearbars for the Cabellas Ultra Light 2's ?

Also, what size ss washer do I need to buy? I am kinda clumsy with nuts and bolts and would be cool if I went to the nutty company with the exact size in mind.

Thanks,

Ken


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