errrr.....:af:

who it their right mind would WANT this a$$hole to have these weapons???? Its time to level the playing field. If he wants to fight he can fight....but fight fair! If hes allowed to do whatever he wants now we dont stand a chance later on!!!

Ever bring a knife to a gun fight?????

War??? bring it on! So we can all continue to live freely in this great country!

Everybody,

You are all convinced that this war is about Saddam's weapons and terrorism. You are wrong.

This war is a smokescreen. It is being used as an excuse for laws like the Patriot act that errode the basic freedoms that each of you is willing to have people die for.

It is being used as a diversion from the corporate scandals currently going on which are robbing the American middle class of their hard earned savings. When Enron collapsed, who lost everything? The workers, upper-level management walked away with hundreds of millions. Where's the outrage? Gone, because we are all worried about the war and terrorist.

This administartion (and the last administration) is run by the richest of the rich. This war is about global consumerism and economic subjugation.

One important note; This is one issue in which the far right and the far left both agree. I am generally very liberal politically, so maybe you don't want to listen to me. Here is a website from the far right, and it is saying the same thing.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.infowars.com/


It is astonishing what is going on in America and I hope you all wake up.

I, for one, have to say this young man does make at least some sense. In the very least, he has been polite and stated his opinion clearly, in a straight forward manner, and without resorting to anger, name calling, and/or head bashing, which unfortunately, I have seem some of on this thread. :(

His type of response makes for good political discussion and discourse, no matter whether you argee with the premise or not.....:)

The other types of responses carry the opposite effect. :(

Carry on.........

Additionally,

Osama should burn for his beliefs and actions.

The French don't get much respect in my book.

Just so you know where I stand.

What are you talking about? Leveling the playing field? We demolished the Iraqi military in the first Gulf War and they are in far worse shape now.

It is Iraq that is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Were you serious?

Oops, I made two very, very bad assumptions there...."young" and "man".....I'm embarassed, apologize if, in fact, they were wrong.......:eek5: :smash:

Steve,

You were correct

FC,
What is your opion on what the UN security council stands for?

I'll tell you what I think it stands for .... nothing.

How do you enforce a resolution? Keep asking and asking and asking.
Sadam has been a pain in the ass since pappa georgio went in there after the yellow Iraqi's (sadam from his secure post) attacked and burned defenseless Kuwait, causing that little issue of the greatest environmental disaster in the WORLDS history.

Well the UN security council said, Iraq you have to disarm, Iraq gave the UN a firm maybe, but only if you force us too.

So as usual, the united states must take the cancer out.

Congratulations if you're a troll, you got a rise out me.
But since I served and love my country, I wanted to say what I feel.
By the way is your real name Bill Maher?

Ah, perhaps the meat of the matter.......my wife thinks so, anyway.......

fishsmith,

I'm not sure how to feel about the UN. I need more information to know what is going on.


Sadam, from his secure post, attacked and burned defenseless Kuwait.

American Presidents, from their secure posts, attacks and burn other countries all the time. Does this make our president's yellow?

This points to the black/white nature of emotional reasoning versus the shades of grey which make up rational discourse.

The real truth is that the troops who are fighting this war, both our and theirs, are brave. And the leaders who are promoting this war, do not have to be brave to do their job.

FC,
You are a troll.

To say the United States attacks and burns other county's all the time, proves it to me.

I'm done posting here.

To sort of badly quote Winston Churchill:

If a man is 20 and is not a liberal, he has no heart. If he is still a liberal at 40, then he has no brain.

fishsmith,

I was speaking in terms of political time.

The United States military has been directly involved in armed conflicts around the world frequently since WWII.

Mike P,

You make a good point.

I think having kids has a lot to do with this.

Troll

Go make some friends then you will have someone to f*&^ with..loser.

Hey Duke,

Bite me.

Can you not tell that I am serious about what I am talking about.

FC for what it's worth Saddam has had 10 years to comply. How much longer should he have? If I breakthe law here in this country, I don't get 10 years to comply, correct? He is breaking international law. HE does'nt get it. If the UN does'nt have the BALLS to stand up and enforce the mandate, then the UN might as well fold. The UN would show that they are worthless, and every third world nation with a dictator would be running amuck creating havoc for everyone.

Sorry if BALLS offends anyone.

Hey FC I went to the school of hard knocks.
Join the service and see the world...........

I see this situation like this...The U.S. is the top dog in the world today... no different than the Romans or any other super-power of the past. If you want to remain top dog you have to bite and bite hard when kicked. Now if you don't think losing the Trade Towers and and Four airplanes full of civilians in one morning isn't a kick, then I feel sorry for your poor dumb a$$. Pick any of the World's other Hell Holes and go there...now.:af:

yeah...I was hoping for something a little more "harsh"!!!;) ;) :D



yes I am serious! lookit the whole point is for him to DISARM right? well why ????? because we arent talking petty weapons here.......ever hear the term "weapons of mass distruction"??? thats my point...and my OPINION.....and I agree we all have to have our own opinions! I like a little friendly debate now and then.....keeps the juices flowing......hey, you dont like or agree with my opinion and I dont like or agree with yours, and I am ok with that!!!!!!

Sorry I was harping on Sadam at first.

Osama needs to go NOW!!!! What kind of crazy man attacks helpless undefended civilian targets out of the blue. I can almost tolerate the Pentagon as a military target, but the WTC was a completely civilian target.

Jenn,

What is it about Sadam's weapons that makes them "weapons of mass destruction"?

How are Sadam's weapons any different from ours? (Aside from the obvious; his are pointed at us and ours are pointed at him)

Enough of the tyranny of the US spreading its capitalist might over the poor unfornutate countries, whatever their religion, and the government pulling the wool over our eyes while they divert us with war to conspire to erode our rights. Give it a rest.

I know enough not to believe everything I read in the papers, see on tv, or especially read on the internet. I do believe that if we are to go to war, it had better be for a damn good reason. There are probably reasons we may never know (such as links to 9/11 or Bin Laden), but I trust that we will do the right thing.

One of the gravest mistakes we can make is to go into this without backing our troops and providing our support 100%. United We Stand -- you're either with us or not. Sounds to me like you're not, so like Backbeach said, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Oh yeah, and as far as weapons of mass destruction, how about anthrax, sarin, small pox, raidoactive materials, etc.....

The difference between us and them is that we will use them to defend ourselves; they will use them to kill us all, and dance in the streets at the news of the dead women and children

I totally support our military servicemen. If they end up in at war, I hope they kill every enemy.

I'm just do not want to risk their lives for what appears to me to be an unjust cause.

FC - why are your first posts here political and not about fishing? We are after all a fishing site here first. There are plenty of poli sites out there.

You want to talk about fishing? What do you like to fish for and tell us some of your success fishing...

We've had ours for almost 60 years, and other than using them to avoid an invasion of Japan's Home Islands that would have cost 500,000 American and 2 million Japanese lives, they've remained in their silos and bomb bays all that time. Even for the 5 years or so when we held a monopoly on them.

Hussein has used his ever since he first acquired them.

That's the difference.

FC quite simply you are a traitor and disgrace to this board. Why don't just go away and play hackey sack with the rest of your pasty, dreadlock wearing, panty assed, birkenstock clad, dope-smoking liberal, hand wringing friends. Like usual the men in the group will go out and protect the US. While you and those like you ponder what is right, but are not tasked with the responsiblity of action.

FC Im turning You in for a reward

Duke, I second that Motion.

I can't agree more after seeing first hand a waterway the size of the Chesapeake contaminated by a "peac loving and caring" individual who ordered his soldiers to dump thousands of barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf. How about the burning well fires that blackened the skys for hundreds of miles.

While touring the trenches in Kuwait I noticed that all his troops were dug in with a fence behind them to keep them from running whne the Amphibious assault began. Sounds like we liberated many Iraqis as well as Kuwait.

Had friends who went to defend the Kurds after Sadam used his nonexistent weapons to commit genocide.

Just because Billy ignored him for 8 years doesn't mean Sadam is less of a madman.