it has happened at close to 200 year intervals and they are over 300
years now since the last correction.

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I can totally hear Godzilla!!!

As we all know its only a matter of time before it happens here. I remember seeing something on landslides coming from Africa? Mentioned if it happened the sea surge would reach 5 miles in in the Boston area. There is a piece on this link from the Canary Islands, interesting read

Atlantic Ocean Tsunami Threat from Earthquakes, Landslides

It actually displaces the water, which generates the energy for the tsunami. If you imaging the length of the fault, x the displacement (8ft) all of the displaced water does not go into the crust.

it is a subduction zone, and water circulates down into the earth (crust and mantle) as the ocean floor is subducted under Japan, but it is mostly in the pore spaces of the sediment on the ocean floor and in the cracks in the underlying rocks..

but.. caveat.. I'm a glacial/coastal guy.. not a seismologist!

now that it's basically Over
 

what are they gonna do with this enormous amount of debris?

i mean they are an ISLAND and allot of the material was imported
over many years so that means huge Barges and euks trucks hauling it where
to the ocean? China wont touch it now that it's radio active. :huh:

Burn it is my guess
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"China wont touch it now that it's radio active."

R u kidding me?

They'll eat this stuff up. It'll be in your kids toys next year.

tnx Brian didn't understand how that worked.

So is the speed of the tsunami, english meaning is death wave, like a wave going thr speed of sound minus the friction caused by the water itself.

Scarie stuff this. 8 ft #^&#^&#^&#^& of that much land is gonna cause a problem someplace else on this marble we live on. Take a frisbee and put a piece of gum under the lip and throw it. Wobbles like a drunken top. We learned about that in college. Where is the gum gonna cause the next peoblems. that's only a few trillion billion tons of land that moves 8 ft over.

Watch this video. Never seen anything like this in my life. Water pulsating out of the ground.

Gotta Watch: iReporters capture scope of quake – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

The dome blew off a second reactor today. Explosion shot it 1000 feet into the air. It is unreal..That will likely lead to melt down at least in part as the fuel is still there and can't be flooded.

With no nuke power, that area will be without power for a long long time. It takes a good 10-15 years to build a plant to today's standards. That is once the actually get a license to build one. (add another 10 years)....
Those boiling water reactors are vintage (like Vermont Yankee). So there is no going back. They will be in a world of hurt for 20-30 years.

My company is looking for nuclear engineers (volunteers) in our group to go and work there. I don't think anyone is going to sign up.
I know I'm not.

Booger:
this should help clarify

http://www.iris.edu/hq/files/program..._IslandArc.mov

Go into Google Earth, go to the big Earthquake icon off Sendai, and download the KMZ for the before / after satellite images. Damage is unreal.

Don't forget the 67 Alaskan earthquake.

I read it, John. Just not a believer. Another explosion just now in #2. Rods are exposed. I think a breach is possible, and that is, IMO, critical. No infrastructure to get whatever materials they need to fight this into place. I think they're screwed as far as keeping that plant under control. As I said, we are not getting the real story in realtime.

NPR reported this morning no gas for firetrucks

Not that the firetrucks can drive anywhere due to the debris everywhere!

Pumpin water can't do it without fuel

I understand, but it is not a Chernobyl-case type incident. It really sucks and it will really suck even more with the potential to greatly suck. But it is not Chernobyl. There is also a lot of significantly bad info out there...

Just had another explosiion at #2 717pm

4th reactor just reported to be on fire now....a fourth reactor! Man can it get much worse.....unfortunately I think it will. Very, very sad indeed.

Man this footage is unreal !
At around 1 minute that what I'm guessing a 60ft boat sucked under the bridge is amazing !
Looks like a toy getting tossed around !
Looked like the 2nd bigger boat was about to get sucked under bridge and you can see cars driving over the bridge.

4th reactor was reported down for service with 5 and 6 so hopefully this is just facility based and the reactor is supposedly offline.

Problems on 2 are reported to indicate a breach in the primary containment unit. This is bad. Not Chernobyl bad but worse than T.M.I. bad.

From one of our carriers in Yokosuka (close to Tokyo, about 150mi SSW of the plant):

Here's an analogy most fisherman may understand.

If you have ever melted lead to make sinkers , you know you can smell the lead. If you are a little above the melting , the lead smell is evident but if you screw up and get that lead a few hundred degrees above its melting point , the lead smell just reeks.

No heres why.

Atoms are always bouncing around and above the large masses there are actual atoms of the material that are in the air. Now we don't think of it as a vapor but in fact , there is some amount of vapor above even solids at room temp. Now as the materal nears its melting point , the amount of atoms as vapor above the solid surface goes up. When the material melts , there is a huge jump in the number of atooms that are vapor above the liquid , many times more than above the solid. Now as the liquid gets hotter and hotter above it original melting point , the vapor pressure (amount of atoms that are vapor) goes up at some exponential rate.

THe really bad Nuke stuff is the fuel itself that can melt (meltdown) if the control rods cannot slow the fission reaction and if the water cannot take away the heat. Too much heat and the uranium , etc melts and then its vapor pressure sky rockets. The vapor pressure can easily be envisioned as number of atoms , each one highly radioactive and deadly.

Now if you can keep the stuuf from actually melting , you can avoid the huge jump in the vapor pressure but remember , there is still some vapor pressore above the solid and its more , the hotter the solid , just like its more the hotter the liquid. So you do everything you can to keep those temps from going so high the stuff melts. Water is the coolant. However , its not going to cool the whole blob of fission material evenly. Some places are very hot , hot enough to first form steam , then the steam breaks down to H and O and then Boom. You have to take the risk of these H explosions (Actually are explosions) and steam explosions (too much water pressure in a sealed vessel and it bursts , what many would call an explosion too) because you have to try to keep everything cool as possible and try at all cost not to have molten uranium with no water on top of it because molten uranium without the water cover is going to be boiling off the most radioactive vapor aotms.


The whole thing is a nightmare as you risk lives and small explosions to prevent the big meltdown.

Now I don't think there is any way the reactor core can actually explode like an A bomb if that is what people are worrying about. That is actually something that is pretty hard to get started even when you want it to happen. . The biggest worry is the spread of the radioactive metals , etc if the core melts with a failure of both coolant and containment structures.

Now other stuff pics up radiation from the uranium. Th8ngs like the salt and other solids in the water. I'm not sure but I believe the water can actually get irradiated. Most of the time , this is a low level of radiation compared to the actual uranium . Some things , particularly heavy atoms , can pick up a lot of radiation. Its likely at this point that the radiation picked up by the Navy is from escaping water vapor and the contaminents in the water. Hopefully there isn't too much actual uranium atoms getting out.

Scratch facility fire at Reactor 4

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/wo...uclear.html?hp

Pressure in 2 Reactor basically at nil? Game over.

What most don't realize here is there was/is a working earthquake system on each of these plants which went off on all but one plant. When the sensors detect the earthquake they immediately drop Boron rods into the vessel to stop the reaction. Right now no reaction is taking place (planned) but you have to understand it takes days and WEEKS to cool this down normally from it's core operating temperature.

Google Boron and nuclear meltdown....it's pretty interesting.

The core temperature has to be over 4000 degrees F to melt the rods. I've seen numbers of 1000 and 2000 degrees discussed so far. The cores are cooling but it's going to take some serious time...

Apparently it doesn't matter that reactors 4, 5, & 6 were off-line, they all still have fuel inside and are also overheating. ALL 6 REACTORS ARE IN JEOPARDY!!!

The Unit 4 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant caught fire earlier Tuesday and is believed to have caused a release of dangerous levels of radioactivity in the immediate area. Elevated radioactivity readings in surrounding regions were not high enough to pose a health threat, the government said.

Unit 4 was not operating at the time of the tsunami, but its backup power systems failed afterward, preventing cooling systems from working properly. Three reactors already have been wrecked by explosions and nuclear officials confirmed that temperatures in two other reactors that had been shut down for inspections were also rising.

The temperature of the water in the spent fuel storage pool for Unit 4 was 183 degrees Fahrenheit (84 degrees Celsius) on Monday, when it was last measured. No measurements have been available since then, Nishiyama said.

I believe the new plants even use a boron slurry as an extra measure. But all of this assumes the rods are submerged I believe...which is the issue.

Not looking good this morning. Let's hope for prevailing winds...

-spence